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08 January 2021

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turcopolier

Deap

Here too.

Andrei Martyanov

@J
While many of them call themselves private platforms, a good portion were created by U.S. Government 'seed money'. Which means that it was the U.S. Taxpayer who helped them get started and funded their platforms, which makes U.S. Taxpayers their true 'owners'.

It's true, he had four years to straighten out that mess and didn't.

You, certainly, have the point but it is the last sentence which matters in all that. Indeed, he didn't do a thing. The discrepancy between Trump's declarations and his actions, or, rather, lack thereof, were and are unprecedented. Political impotence sold as a "populist" ideology to gullible masses. That's what one gets from media personality when thinks that he is a statesman. But then again, there is a huge question mark over all US "elites". I was more fascinated by the cowardice, impotence and corruption of GOP. Revolting bunch.

Andrei Martyanov

@Fred

Does this 'private property' right extend only to political speach or does that now mean bakeries don't have to bake cakes for gays getting married and businesses can keep people the owner thinks are the wrong color out again?

What you formulated is called "moving goal posts". Do not mix here basic human rights and the right to use private (OK, nominally private) platform for voicing your opinions. I have a full right to throw anyone out of my house if they begin to violate norms I established in my place. Yes, that is what private property means. You want to have your opinion voiced publicly, which is NOT your right, otherwise we wouldn't have pre-moderation and administrators here--it is your right to go and create your own "voice", which ranges from private blog on some public access resource to a full-blown internet provider with servers, infrastructure etc. Then, you are in charge and as long as your activity does not violate Constitution, God speed. While I am disgusted with all this so called "tech-giants" (FYI, they are not tech firms--they produce nothing but pages of code and mass psychological and psychiatric disorders, I do not have FB accounts and never will, I do not Twit etc., formally they are right--our house, our rules. You don't like it, live capitalism and "democracy" in full and make your own. Simple as that.

Peter Williams

It's somewhat ironic that Russian software companies are freer than US software companies. There are many alternatives to Facebook, Twitter, WhatsApp etc. And you can completely avoid Google by using Yandex, though Google Maps is often better than Yandex Maps.

My youngest daughter wanted a new phone for her birthday and selected an Honor phone (Huawei's cheaper brand). I warned her to check if she could get the apps that she needed, as new Huawei phones cannot use the Google Store. She told me that all the apps that she needed were available from the Yandex Store.

J

Colonel,

What is needed by us smelly deplorables is a tractor march and emulate our French deplorable brothers. Dump a mixture of hog manure and cow-pies all over the desks of those politicians and media goons who dare to call us smelly. They want smell? we can give them real-deal smell.

Young

AWS is already rationing the bytes.

Soon, Amazon Prime will be rationing bites, subject to approval by Jack.

English Outsider


I do hope there's some way of preserving the back numbers, Colonel, together with the old comments. There's a lot of material there that will be invaluable to future historians. And maybe hard copy too? The internet is in any case a most ephemeral medium.

I don't see how all this blocking is going to work. Unless they go full Chinese and block foreign sites wholesale these platforms like Twitter etc are merely driving trade away.

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Alves

I got agree with Andrei Martyanov.

The issue is not the ban from Twitter and Facebook. They do have the right to follow and enforce their own ToS.

The real problem is the concerted effort from almost all big tech (Google, FB, Twitter, etc) to ban AND to make it almost impossible for the average computer or cellphone user to access alternative means of communication. We have an economical power play amid the political mess.

We see live now yet again where libertarian and free market capitalism fail.

The next step might be Amazon banning Parler from their servers.

Either way, it still is hilarious to see Russia and its companies as one of the few alternatives for the people labeled as wrong thinkers. Irony is not dead yet.

Kilo 4/11

@Quaesiveris | 08 January 2021 at 10:25 PM

“When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say.”

That quote sounded pretty good, so I looked up the author. This is what I found on his front page:

"The deaths just keep on coming in this worst of all possible years. I was very saddened to read of the death of Ben Bova, another victim of Covid-19 (and Donald J. Trump)."

I believe I'll pass over Mr. Martin.

Kilo 4/11

Colonel,
I second JerseyJeffersonian's recommendation of the Conservative Treehouse folks for any support you may need regarding any attempts to spike this site.

akaPatience

I've noticed that a few people who comment here and on other sites think Trump could've single-handedly drained the swamp and eliminated social and mainstream media bias, when the guy couldn't even staff his cabinet with anyone who wasn't acceptable to the Congressional Uniparty. De-classify everything on his way out the door they say. Why do I have a feeling the Deep State would effectively thwart any such effort? And even if he were successful, the MSM would ignore any damning revelations anyway. How quickly it's been forgotten by some what happened just within the last couple of months regarding the Hunter Biden laptop story: the FBI hid the laptop and the MSM not only stonewalled but Big Tech piled on by censoring the NY Post and anyone who mentioned its scoop.

Elsewhere, I've read comments saying "private" companies have the right, indeed the obligation, to ban people from their platforms who make what they deem as inciteful remarks, apparently ignorant of the fact the Apple, Google, Twitter and the like are PUBLIC companies. Some smug social media commenters have compared what Big Tech companies are doing to the successful Supreme Court case of the Colorado baker who didn't want to bake gay wedding cakes, as if it's an apt comparison.

There's definitely a need for alternatives to the limited social media available now. Operating Systems controlled by Big Tech are an obstacle but hopefully American ingenuity can figure out a way to serve the growing market of those opposed to censorship.

TonyL

Andrei said,
"As strange as it may sound coming from me--but these are all private platforms and their policies, however screwed up, are their policies"

Could not agree more. It is as simple as that.

If anybody objects to how their businesses are conducted, then sue them. The First Amendment does not apply in how these companies decide who they provide services.


Barbara Ann

Omnes viae Romam ducunt

https://web.archive.org/web/20210110005323/https://twitter.com/PatrickByrne/status/1348058958712373248">https://twitter.com/PatrickByrne/status/1348058958712373248">https://web.archive.org/web/20210110005323/https://twitter.com/PatrickByrne/status/1348058958712373248

Or https://archive.is/TLHsD

Very interesting that Twitter has not tagged this with its usual censorship warning re election interference being 'fake news'. Maybe they finally realize the game is up.

Time to choose which side of history you want to be on folks.

Deap

Biden's spawn will be out to get now us in California - with mostly peaceful pepper spray: https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1348050297638309888

This is what the First Amendment looks like out west - Kamala Harris Kuntry.

Yeah, Right

Parler's servers are being kicked off Amazon Web Services on Sunday midnight, so even the web interface will be gone.

Wouldn't be at all surprised to see the domain name itself being revoked.

Talk about collusion - twitter, Apple, and Google all "coincidentally" deciding that a competitor is Beyond The Pale.

mcohen

I think it is high time facebook was given the flick.for me the takeover of WhatsApp was the final straw.

mcohen

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/fog-and-noise/

this involvement of Italy is interesting

Seamus Padraig

@Patrick Armstrong | 09 January 2021 at 10:38 AM:

I've been on VK for years and can heartily recommend it. Nevertheless, while it's vastly freer than Farcebook et al., it's not completely censorship free. I happen to know, for example, that they just recently suspended the account of Tommy Robinson (of the English Defence League) for "spreading hate speech."

https://vk.com/tommyrobinson2020

And if you happen to be posting from Russia in Russian, you can be held accountable for 'hate speech' under Article 282 of the Russian penal code.

Even so, I can definitely say from experience that the Russians censor with a light touch compared with the contemporary West.

@JerseyJeffersonian | 09 January 2021 at 10:47 AM:

Yup. Ryan Cristian the redoubtable Whitney Webb just recently explored this new domestic war on terror at length:

https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/opening-act-new-war-on-domestic-terror/

We are all Palestinians now.

turcopolier

All

It seems that section 230 protects them from lawsuits.

Deap

I am reminded of the national cowering that took place under the approximate 10 years of McCarthyism. Neighbor against neighbor, workplace shut outs, censorship, ruined lives and careers, shunning, ostracism, plus the Pope in those days could get things banned in Boston, which shut down free speech too.

I was too young to immediately understand the daily loss of freedoms instilled under McCarthyism, but do think it is an interesting parallel time in our national history. Whose turn is it now to utter those immortal words ... have you no decency Mr Bezos, Zuckerberg et al?

Who and what setting is left that has the gravitas to make those words even matter today. There will certainly be no HUAC hearings under the Biden-Harris administration. Unless they call all of us in instead, as enemies of the state. Very dystopian.

Fred

Andrei,

Thanks for the repsonse. What we are seeing is discrimination based on political viewpoint stated as a violation of TOS. The follow on actons of google and others to refuse service to Parler and other competing networks is tortious interference in their business operations.

Artemesia

regarding mcohen's Kunstler link:
It concludes:

"In the mythology of my people, the Golem was a giant fashioned out of clay by a rabbi seeking desperately to protect his village from a pogrom. I didn’t dub Mr. Trump the Golden Golem of Greatness for nothing. For the moment all is fog and noise."

There were three Stop the Steal rallies: Nov 14, Dec 12 and the grand finale, Jan 6. The three were organized by Kylie Jane Kremer, daughter of Tea Party Express founder Amy Kremer (who financed them, I'd like to know.)

At least two of the three included sounding of the shofar. The rally where Michael Flynn spoke -- the Dec 12 event, I believe, was introduced by a rabbi who recited a prayer, in Hebrew, related to Joshua's conquest of Jericho, then two shofars were sounded. The movement's theme of the assault on and conquest of Jericho was established in that introduction. In his comments, Flynn referred to the Jericho conquest.

I saw these things -- specifically, the rabbi pray & sound two shofars -- on C Span, live.
But that segment has been erased from C Span's archived version of the event.
Why is that, I wonder?

According to archeologist and historian Eric Cline,

"Joshua's . . .preparations for invasion of the land called Canaan. Although some military strategy was involved, with sending in spies in advance, the crossing of the Jordan River and the conquest of Jericho were essentially ritual operations that were surrounded by miracles, and yet at one and the same time they are quite good military operations. . . .”

Flynn is Catholic, Irish Catholic to boot; his allusion to Jericho was likely allegorical and universal; a rhetorical device In my opinion, the rabbi and many Jews --like Schumer, Nadler, etc. -- understand Joshua's conquest of Jericho and blowing the shofar in an exclusively Jewish and operational context.

The tremendous population movements taking place in USA have been described as an "Exodus." New York City, traditionally a Jewish stronghold, has emptied out; Jews are moving in the thousands to Florida, Texas and Colorado. Coincidentally, in December 2019 the Pew polling organization mailed out polls soliciting information from Jewish persons about a variety of their preferences. The poll promised to release results "late in 2020 or in 2021." Were such moves encouraged by the results of the Pew poll?

One more aspect of the Exodus phenomenon: Nazi references are inevitable whenever conflicts involving putative adversaries of the Jewish people arise. It's worth noting that zionist leaders called for the Exodus of German Jews from Germany within a very few days of Hitler's appointment to chancellorship: On ~Feb. 14, 1933, Louis Brandeis directed Rabbi Stephen Wise that "all Jews must leave Germany; all 587,000 German Jews must leave." To assist their movement out of Europe, Haganah organized Mossad LeAliyeh Bet -- the Second aliyeh, or migration to Israel.
Are we witnessing a fourth dispersion/migration of Jews (third migration being Jewish migration from Russia).

Prof. Cline discussed the Hebrew Exodus and the ten plagues called down upon the Pharaoh: water turning to blood, frogs, lice, flies, livestock pestilence, boils, hail, locusts, darkness and the killing of firstborn children.

The phrase "dark winter" has been used by influence leaders in concert with Joe Biden. Several months ago Whitney Webb wrote extensively of the Dark Winter research that preceded the establishment of biotech lab to research vaccines linked to Pittsburgh's UPMC hospital system.
https://www.unz.com/wwebb/engineering-contagion-upmc-corona-thrax-and-the-darkest-winter/

As for the final plague, the killing of firstborn children, I'm not the only person who noticed that it the Grand Finale event occurred on the Orthodox feast of Theophany and the Christian Feast of Epiphany, when the Three Magi followed the star, discovered the Christ Child, and returned to Persia by a route to bypass Herod, who, in his determination to eliminate competition for his throne, carried out the Slaughter of Innocents (commemorated on Dec. 28). Chuck Schumer stated that Jan. 6 --for millennia celebrated as the day of the discovery of the Christ Child -- should be labeled a "day of infamy."

In a practical sense, closing down public schools is certainly disadvantaging many of the children of America, not just the firstborn, and public health officials are speaking openly of the increase in suicides, not least among youngsters, as a result of the Covid hysteria.

I've not read carefully the bible passages about the conquest of Jericho; there appear to be at least two versions.

But I do believe the Jan 6 Stop the Steal rally and consequent incursion on the Capitol was a planned, ritualized event that signifies a zionist coup on the US people and their government. (Joshua did not appear to have allies; this time around, there seem to be numerous factions participating.).

Perhaps a careful reading of the Joshua passages, combined with close observation of events on the ground, to the extent we are able to pierce the "fog" that Kunstler mentions, can help us prepare for What Comes Next.

Now the gates of Jericho were securely barred because of the Israelites. No one went out and no one came in.

2 Then the Lord said to Joshua, “See, I have delivered Jericho into your hands, along with its king and its fighting men. 3 March around the city once with all the armed men. Do this for six days. 4 Have seven priests carry trumpets of rams’ horns in front of the ark. On the seventh day, march around the city seven times, with the priests blowing the trumpets. 5 When you hear them sound a long blast on the trumpets, have the whole army give a loud shout; then the wall of the city will collapse and the army will go up, everyone straight in.”

6 So Joshua son of Nun called the priests and said to them, “Take up the ark of the covenant of the Lord and have seven priests carry trumpets in front of it.” 7 And he ordered the army, “Advance! March around the city, with an armed guard going ahead of the ark of the Lord.”

8 When Joshua had spoken to the people, the seven priests carrying the seven trumpets before the Lord went forward, blowing their trumpets, and the ark of the Lord’s covenant followed them. 9 The armed guard marched ahead of the priests who blew the trumpets, and the rear guard followed the ark. All this time the trumpets were sounding. 10 But Joshua had commanded the army, “Do not give a war cry, do not raise your voices, do not say a word until the day I tell you to shout. Then shout!” 11 So he had the ark of the Lord carried around the city, circling it once. Then the army returned to camp and spent the night there.

12 Joshua got up early the next morning and the priests took up the ark of the Lord. 13 The seven priests carrying the seven trumpets went forward, marching before the ark of the Lord and blowing the trumpets. The armed men went ahead of them and the rear guard followed the ark of the Lord, while the trumpets kept sounding. 14 So on the second day they marched around the city once and returned to the camp. They did this for six days.

15 On the seventh day, they got up at daybreak and marched around the city seven times in the same manner, except that on that day they circled the city seven times. 16 The seventh time around, when the priests sounded the trumpet blast, Joshua commanded the army, “Shout! For the Lord has given you the city! 17 The city and all that is in it are to be devoted[b] to the Lord. Only Rahab the prostitute and all who are with her in her house shall be spared, because she hid the spies we sent. 18 But keep away from the devoted things, so that you will not bring about your own destruction by taking any of them. Otherwise you will make the camp of Israel liable to destruction and bring trouble on it. 19 All the silver and gold and the articles of bronze and iron are sacred to the Lord and must go into his treasury.”


Artemesia

oops

failed to close italics after Mossad leAliyeh Bet

TonyL

Fred,

"What we are seeing is discrimination based on political viewpoint stated as a violation of TOS"

Think of Twitter as a Christian bakery, and Trump wants to order several gay-wedding cakes every day at all hours.

Barbara Ann

Artemesia

An interesting take, though if the Old Testament symbolism was intentional, my guess would be its aim was the exact opposite - i.e. to signify to those attuned to it the end of the zionist coup on the US people. In this reading the pertinent plague would be the plague of frogs*.

*For anyone who does not understand this reference, research frog symbolism among a particular section of Trump supporters

IMO Trump's first term pro zionist displays have been pure realpolitik, a means to an end. We are, I believe, about to witness that end and in terms of Biblical comparisons it will not disappoint.

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