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12 December 2020

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Fred

Alexandria,

"he had been briefed at the outset about the lethality of COVID19, "

you mean he was lied to by multiple people as to the lethatlity of what is ever more apparent to be something similar to a virulent strain of influenza that is lethal almost entirely to people over 70 or in bad health to begin with.

Alexandria

Fred, I agree with you that it is highly improbable that people under the age of 70 or, particularly under the age of 50, and those without co-morbids will be struck down by the COVID; but, in this case we are dealing with political truth, not statistical truth, and political truth still reigned supreme as of November 3rd. Trump's problem is that he still believed the "political truth" at the time he blabbed to Woodward and was caught out when outed by Woodward.

As an aside, I do not believe he was deliberately lied to by the epidemiologists who seem to be unable to balance the risk of death against the damage to the economy by imposing total lock-downs for, perhaps, professional theological reasons.

Deap

Trump did understand the lethality of "covid" - it has 99.99% recovery rate. And only marginally goes up after age 70-80 - when life starts shortening regardless of what you call it.

And now the overall morbidity data, as analyzed by Johns Hopkins researcher, found all-cause deaths for 2020 from CDC were pretty much the same - just more deaths got labeled "covid", while other more typical causes of death including regular flu went down. She found no "excessive" deaths in 2020 to date.

Not sure why anyone is still pushing this high covid "lethality" chestnut. But covid-covid-covid did buy Biden cover and will continue to buy Biden cover, so we will now be stuck with the charade should Biden ultimately suceed.

Also explains why Democrat covid partner in crime Calif Gov Newsom is doubling down on this latest super-lockdown, since Biden requires a virtual Inauguration and not a full frontal public exposure. (Save that one for his dog)

The last thing Democrats need right now is a vaccine, a mitgation treatment, or any exposure of "high lethality" data to the contrary of the covid agenda that has worked so well for them so far. Covid, covid, covid. .

English Outsider


Deap - exactly so.

I did feel at the start he should have cleaned house in a big way. But how? It would have needed a revolution. Because he wasn't faced with just a few bad apples. It's turned out that the whole damned barrel was rotten.

And one big attraction of Trump for me was that he wasn't "revolution". He was reform. As I saw it then, the "last chance saloon". The last chance to bring things round before it all collapsed. Which I'd rather not see, for my children's sake and for the sake of all others.

Now we find out whether that apocalyptic view held in 2016/17 was too extreme. Whether it was or not, I don't believe the next few years are going to offer much chance of that so needed reform.

turcopolier

james

This epidemic is essentially uncontrollable in the absence of a vaccine. You really don't know much about the US. If you are poor and you get sick you go to a hospital emergency room where the federal government subsidizes your treatment. It just has not reached populated BC yet. You expect the US to become depopulated? The fatality rate across the US population is .07% You are living in a leftist fantasy.

Alexandria

Fred,

I agree with you that it is highly unlikely for healthy folk under the age of 70, especially those under 50, and the non co-Morbid to become Covid fatalities. What we are dealing with now especially during the third surge is the "political truth" of lethality, not statistical truth, which has created conditions of panic in America which were still in place as of November 3. The President apparently believed the political truth at the time of the Woodward interview and made the unenforced error of confiding in Bob Woodward, giving Woodward the opening to put the "shiv" in his ribs by accusing him of lying to the American people and deliberately minimizing the dangers associated with the virus.

As an aside, I don't believe the epidemiologists deliberately lied to the President. I think that they believe that the goal of public health policy is to minimize death to the fullest extent possible, that they adhere to this view as a matter of professional theology and are temperamentally incapable of being able to contemplate balancing the loss of lives now against the destruction of the economy and consequent loss of lives/increase of misery in the future as a result of lock-downs.

In the end, the President got the balance mostly right,but was never able to sell his vision to a sufficient number of voters to win re-election.

Fred

Alexandria,

The "political truth" is that the entrenched bureaucrats and "career civil servants" wanted Trump removed by any means necessary (along with big tech, the Democratic party and China). See the prior year's Ukrainian fraud and the slew of credentialed experts and their articulated manipulations before, during and after the impeachment hearings as an example. As icing on the cake review Chief Justice John Roberts refusing to allow a Senator to even mention the name of the "whistle blower".

james

@ pat... it seems like some places on the planet have been able to protect their citizens without the need of a vaccine... china and new zealand are a few places that quickly come to mind.. vietnam is another one... why success in these places and not in the usa?

as for the thought that covid only affects people over 70, it seems to affect a number of other people below the age of 70 as well.... we don't know what the long term implications of this is for those who have caught it.. some people seem to breeze thru it and for some others it is much more problematic... i am not so sure of everything i read and here on the internet...

@pat - thanks for the wider overview of how it works in the usa.. i didn't know that...

Deap

james, how does simply re-labeling the average annual mortality numbers as covid mortality numbers sit with you? CDC numbers did not find any pattern of excessive deaths for 2020 - the Year of Covid". Why was that?

"Covid" ultimately was a labeling matter (election years can be pesky), rather than any political liability issue. Blaming Trump for "covid" got no traction outside the Beltway, but it did get a lot of friendly media and kept Biden from needing to offer any substance. A very curious election year.

Covid did not beat Trump. Which leaves only Dominion and Democrat vote counters beating Trump. Sorry, but there are not two ways of looking at this.

Deap

This quote says it for me: Grrrrrrr.

"......The Trump campaign has alleged in several states that there was enough fraud and other election irregularities, especially with electronic voting machines, to have swayed them for Joe Biden.

But thus far, dozens of court cases have failed largely because judges have refused to believe the people who have signed hundreds of sworn affidavits attesting to fraud they actually witnessed.

These court losses have allowed the president’s detractors to claim – falsely – that ‘no fraud occurred and that his legal team ‘has no evidence’ to ‘prove’ it did......."

Artemesia

turcopolier, Thank you.

turcopolier

james

Perhaps you should try living in China or Vietnam where the most savage oppression is available for government use in suppressing the people. Newsom and Cuomo can only aspire to such power. New Zealand? Islands. pl

james

@ pat... no man is an island... we are all in this together...

BARBARA


IT IS MY HOPE THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL APPOINT SYDNEY POWELL SC.

SHE IS A FIGHTER AND SHE HAS THE VOTER FRAUD PROOF, THAT NOW FOX
WILL NOT ALLOW TO BE SHOWN. PLUS, THERE IS ROBERT'S PHONE
CALL INTERCEPTED, TELLING HIS COHART THAT THEY MUST DISALLOW THE
TEXAS APPEAL TO THE COURT RE. THE ELECTION. (ISN'T THAT IMPEACH-
ABLE)? WHAT SAY YOU?

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