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26 November 2020


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Happy Thanksgiving to All & enjoy your day.

Somehow when the Puritans landed and met Samoset the English speaking Indian with a little Irish
Brougue there was also an Irishman there selling his wares and all receded to the local Chinese Restaurant.


A most Happy Thanksgiving to all.

Mark Gaughan

Happy Thanksgiving to you all.

mistah charley, ph.d.

I too am descended from the Aldens. Another one of our distant cousins is UC Berkeley economist Brad DeLong.

One of my cousins was doing geneological research at the Nova Scotia Archives and was told, "We're all related - even the Chinese."

mistah charley, ph.d.

By the way, spouse and self enjoyed the non-meat Holiday Roast from Trader Joe's again this year - it really is quite delicious.


I have gotten to the point that I eat little and little of that is meat.. What was in that roast. We probably have several hundred descendants of the Aldens on SST. Which of their children are your come from? pl

William R. Cumming

The Pilgrims at Plymouth Plantation long over-rated as the first permanent settlers in America. Without the skills of the English language speaking SQUANTO [an amazing story in itself] no Plymouth Plantation.

As to Jamestown settled in 1607 despite 347 lost to the ravages of attack by native-Americans its impact greater on American life.

The City of Boston, however, alone rivaled the Virginia Colony on its influence on American life IMO!


Happy Thanksgiving Pat!

Thanks for the wonderful Art Buchwald piece. Hadn't thought of him in years! FYI we're spending Turkey Day at my wife Nancy's family home in Little Compton, RI, where aforesaid Priscilla Alden is buried. Nancy's a Mayflower descendant and also related to Richard Warren - small world!


Wow. Lot's of cousins around today. I am also related to the Alden's as well as Miles Standish and many others from that time.

We are sounding a bit inbred I think.

And, like pl's snippet below, my ancestors also kept moving west as soon as possible. Family legend is that they were a little too intense in their fundamentalist beliefs and were 'invited' to move on from Plymouth eventually.

I'm not sure what this all portends about the readership of this blog....perhaps pl will have to think on the implications of that.



"We are sounding a bit inbred I think." I'm sure you have a lot of other stuff in you as I do. pl


Happy Thanksgiving Everyone:

I always enjoys the variations on the Fleur de Mai theme. However, since my forebears came over as transportees (apparently poaching) or much later in steerage, the holiday is just a great reason to overeat and watch football.


Col. Lang -

Any relation to the Poissant dit Dessalines of Quebec? That's my wife's family.


Thank you for re-posting this. Buchwald was one of a kind. I remember fondly his column explaining that he wasn't invited to Grace Kelly's wedding because of the ancient feud between the Grimaldis and the Buchwalds. (An invitation arrived in short order.)

Happy Thanksgiving, all.


"Family legend is that they were a little too intense in their fundamentalist beliefs and were 'invited' to move on from Plymouth eventually."

Considering that most of the people on the Mayflower were kicked out of England for their fundamentalism--watched a BBC show about this--your relatives must have been real fundies. ;)


Other than the word “Thanksgiving”, this post has nothing to do with Art Buchwald. This is the only time I’ll get to tell this little story, so I’ll seize the moment!

In the autumn of 1976 I was stationed in Germany at the lovely kaserne known as Grafenwoehr. The 7th Army commander was a gentleman named Blanchard. The good general decided to spend his Thanksgiving by visiting his troops at their various commands. We were blessed as such by his present during lunch hour and I consider myself lucky to have had his aide de camp with at our four chair table as a guest.

It should be noted that the battalion mess section was probably the division’s worst. Despite the best efforts to the battalion commander division wouldn't make any personnel changes.

The general’s aide was an affable 1st Lt who proceeded to pepper us with the usual question, that is, “what’s your name”, “where are you from”, etc.
When he was done I took the occasion to ask him a question. “Sir, may I ask you a question, please?” The LT was busily consuming the excellent meal and without looking up he replied “yes, you may, specialist.” My question was this: “sir, would it be possible to bring back Gen. Blanchard more often, please?” He stopped eating and looked up at me and asked “why? with a suspicious look on his face. “It’s like this sir. The only time this messhall serves such fine fare is when a general officer shows up for some reason.”

I don’t remember his reply as this was many years ago. It was something noncommittal follow by him rapidly finish up his meal, the table wrapped in silence.

As for that messhall it eventually took the divisional commander’s direct involvement (i.e., he ate there) to straighten this problem out.

Happy Thanksgiving , all.



I ate in enlisted mess halls most of my life as a dependent, enlisted man and officer and the food was uniformly excellent. IMO you are just a sorehead who didn't like being drafted and who crapped on this lieutenant in revenge. pl


Hank P

Never heard of them. pl


Happy thanksgiving to all, specially to Col Lang and the rest of SST team for running this great blog :)

mistah charley, ph.d.

My apologies for the extreme lateness of this reply.

1)The roast was the the Trader Joe's store brand version of Tofurky - the meat analogue is made from soybeans and wheat protein (gluten). We had it again this year. More recently, I have been putting the "italian sausage" Tofurky product on pizza - it's good, in my opinion.

2)It is a different relative that has the family tree info on hand, so I can't say which child of John and Priscilla was my ancestor - however, one point of interest is that their descendant/my ancestor went from New England to Nova Scotia in the 1750s after the expulsion of the Acadians (see Wikipedia "New England Planters"), so my father was both an immigrant, from Canada, as well as a Mayflower descendant.


Thank you for this, Col. Lang. I always look forward to this every year from you for the day. For those who might find themselves outside the US for the day, I offer the following that might help in ordering your turkey. Here in Greece it is called γαλοπόυλα, in France Dinde,in Portugal Peru, and in Esperanto meleagro. I have only had occasion to order in a national language, but I find the names interesting “food for thought” on where the birds were thought to have originated and how the names might have been encountered. Happy Thanksgiving to all.



As I recall, the turkey bird is called "deek habashi" (Ethiopian Cockrel) in some parts of the Arabia Peninsula. I have no idea why. BTW, as I have several times mentioned John Alden and Priscilla Mullens are among my 9th great grandparents. pl


Col., I consulted this after I posted: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_names_for_turkeys
It is rather interesting. I can only speculate regarding your mention of John Alden and Priscilla Mullens in your reply. I imagine you or your wife's genealogical research pulled up my name in the family tree. One of my brothers carries Alden as his middle name, and the other has Card as his. As a child, I often attended the Alden family kindred reunions in the summer. A second cousin on my mother's Card side was the family genealogist. Our surname is Chatel from our French-Canadian paternal grandfather. I am Robert since no one could understand his name (Telesphore) when he immigrated to the US. My father was named Robert to save him the fuss. French-Canadian friends told me that Telesphore was a common name, which makes sense to me with my study of Greek--"carried far" as you will know better than I. Best wishes and Be well, H



I do not do genealogy. My wife does. As you know every generational step back in time doubles the number of lines. she is obsessed with some of them and has not time to even look at many others. If you have at least one English Puritan line from the founding of New England then you are lucky because so much quality research (as well as trash) has been done on those people and many of them were of Norman descent with the obvious European connections. You, I, and Walrus are probably related in several ways caused by the original small gene pool in New England. He, too, had Mayflower ancestors. His mother was American. I also have an Irish line that came from Meath and Louth. They were of Scottish Catholic descent having left the West Highlands in 1697 to escape the clutches of King William. In Ireland they were freeholders. They moved with a group of relatives to St. Lawrence County, New York in 1828. SWMBO can't find the ship they came on. It bothers her. She doesn't trust Irish genealogists and won't consult them. My wife agrees that Telesphore was a common given name in French Canada. She has done a great deal of work on parish records in French Canada. pl

Ishmael Zechariah

In Turkey, we call this bird "Hindi" (from India). I guess folks thought this exotic creature came from India. Happy Thanksgiving day to all.
Ishmael Zechariah


Happy Thanksgiving, everyone. Have a rest, catch your breath, and recharge your batteries for the exciting times to come.

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