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09 November 2020

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Eric Newhill

Il Duce is becoming increasingly more maniacal. I can't even leave his kingdom without being subjected to interrogation upon return (covid checkpoints on roads into NY state, at airports) and possible quarantine. If I go to look at a home in TX or AZ (where I want to flee to) I can be put into house arrest for 14 days and risk a hefty fine for breaking it.

At any rate, he is, of course, a lying sack of sh*t. Flu vaccines are distributed every year by both private and public providers. If you can't afford it, it's free. Why that model suddenly won't work escapes me entirely. It is very rare to talk to anyone who actually likes this ass and I always wonder how he gets re-elected. Guess now we know.

Fred

Wow, being safely unmasked was even shorter this time out than a Biden/antifa rally. On a related "masks off" note it looks like Trump is cleaning house. Esper just got fired.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1325859406349799424

fakebot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DC7FDsVPhU

We'll follow the old man wherever he wants to go Long as he wants to go opposite to the foe

We'll stay with the old man wherever he wants to stay
Long as he stays away from the battle's fray

Because we love him, we love him
Especially when he keeps us on the ball

And we'll tell the kiddies we answered duty's call
With the grandest son of a soldier of them all

semiconscious

masks - everything you need to know in 3 minutes:

https://videopress.com/v/4egEyh2b

Leith

Any insight into the new acting SecDef Miller. He at one time was CO of 2nd Battalion, 5th SFG. Anyone here ever serve with him?

https://www.defense.gov/Our-Story/Biographies/Biography/Article/2111192/christopher-c-miller/

jerseycityjoan

Distributing the initial vaccines will be challenging, period.

The first two vaccines must be stored at freezing temperatures. The Moderna vaccine around 27 degrees and the Pfizer vaccine around -94. It looks like the Pfizer vaccine will be approved first.

"Once a provider receives that vaccine, it really starts the clock that the vaccine needs to be administered within five days of when it's put in the refrigerator," she said.

Pfizer's vaccine is expected to ship in containers with almost 1,000 shots, which worries Howell.

"The minimum increment of 1,000 doses and figuring out how we can get that to the rural areas is what's keeping me up at night," she said. "We're thinking about the possibility of having to repackage and redistribute that vaccine into smaller quantities."

The general in charge of distribution was on 60 Minutes last night. He inspired confidence but he never mentioned that the doses had to be given within 5 days or that they were shipping out in 1,000 dose packages.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-vaccine-distribution-storage-financial-needs/#app

lux

It's a Pfizer BioNTech cooperation, and they aren't quite there yet but very, very close.

Pfizer and BioNTech are continuing to accumulate safety data and currently estimate that a median of two months of safety data following the second (and final) dose of the vaccine candidate – the amount of safety data specified by the FDA in its guidance for potential Emergency Use Authorization – will be available by the third week of November. Additionally, participants will continue to be monitored for long-term protection and safety for an additional two years after their second dose.

Pfizer:
https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-vaccine-candidate-against

BioNTech:
https://investors.biontech.de/news-releases/news-release-details/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-vaccine-candidate-against-covid-19

Alves

It is good news, but lets not forget that it is a vaccine that did not even get to the end of its 3rd phase testing yet.

Kind of insane to see political fighting over something that will be available in relatively low numbers late in the year or early next year and those numbers will continue to be low for some time after that.

Fred

jerseycityjoan,

Hospitals have both refrigerators and freezers. I'm sure there are plenty of health care professionals who can draw a syringe for the proper dose.

exiled off mainstreet

This is probably the first time in history that tyrants have attempted to limit the right to breathe (i.e. force you to wear a mask that limits oxygen intake) unless they were actually liquidating victims.

Polish Janitor

To All,

With regards to this new Pfizer vaccine breakthrough, I want to pose this question of whether anyone is fully aware if this is a mandatory process or not? I'm a healthy mid 30s male. I am a longtime athlete (Judo and BJJ) and have a very healthy diet, and have not caught the covid-19 bug. I absolutely do not want to put anything in my body, and certainly not any vaccine with no knowledge of what is actually in it. Does anybody think this is going to be a mandatory thing and everybody will going to have to have a health passport of being vaccinated, without which no one will be able to work/travel anywhere?

Deap

Trump Operation Warp Speed. Thank you President Trump for getting a vaccine so quickly to market, if this current testing is successful.

Deap

Vagrants up and down California rail road tracks, armies of them, can draw a dose and put a needle in their arms. In fact, they practices this skill daily. Thank Democrats loose drug policies for creating this now necessary job skill.

JM Gavin

Polish Janitor,
In the pre-COVID world, no one could force you to take anything in the U.S. Travel to other countries depended on those nation's requirements.

In the U.S. of today, who know? There have been a hell of a lot of things forced on folks, or that folks were prohibited from doing, and there was zero legal basis for the authorities' actions. Hell, in some cases, the law specifically forbids things that the government did, and, they did it anyway. Because, well, they could.

You get to decide if you want to be a citizen or a subject.

JM Gavin

Deap

Brilliant question, JM. "Are you a citizen or a subject?"

Dems declared "personal responsibility" is racist, so we know which way the wind in blowing in Biden Land. Which greatly resembles Californistan.

Mark Logan

Polish Janitor,

Unlikely the governments, state or federal, will mandate inoculations. There is too much legal trouble for them. However I think it likely quite a few employers will. I believe the insurance companies will push hard on employers to do so.

Fred

Mark Logan,

"Unlikely the governments, state or federal, will mandate inoculations. There is too much legal trouble for them."

Many of those state governments just spent months bankrupting small businesses, mandating masks, travel restrictions and quarantines and you say they won't mandate vaccines? Oh, those centers of capitalism, employers, are going to mandate them? How, as a condition of employment? Based upon what?

Leith

Pfizer did NOT take a dime of the Warp Speed money. They put their own research bucks into developing their vaccine. Trump had nothing to do with it.

turcopolier

Leith

You don't deny that he put a lot of government research money into COVID research do you?

Leith

Colonel

No, I don't deny it, good on him for signing it. House Resolution 6074 that started the funding for that research money was introduced in Congress by Nita Lowey (D) of New York's 17th District. And mainlined thru the House by Speaker Nancy.

Deap

Lieth, please explain the July 22, 2020 Pfizer press release bragging about their partnership with the government and Warp Speed they themselves issued.

Why lie when Pfizer was too stupid and did not scrub this press release from the internet first? Lies don't sell well on this forum. Why keep trying?

File Pfizer in with Elizabeth Holmes - Bad Blood.

PFIZER AND BIONTECH ANNOUNCE AN AGREEMENT WITH U.S. GOVERNMENT FOR UP TO 600 MILLION DOSES OF MRNA-BASED VACCINE CANDIDATE AGAINST SARS-COV-2
July 22, 2020
U.S. government placed an initial order of 100 million doses for $1.95 billion and can acquire up to 500 million additional doses
Americans to receive the vaccine for free consistent with U.S. government’s commitment for free access for COVID-19 vaccines
Pfizer and BioNTech remain on track to begin an anticipated Phase 2b/3 safety and efficacy trial later this month, seek regulatory review as early as October 2020, and manufacture globally up to 100 million doses by the end of 2020 and potentially more than 1.3 billion doses by the end of 2021
NEW YORK & MAINZ, Germany--(BUSINESS WIRE)--

Pfizer Inc. (NYSE: PFE) and BioNTech SE (Nasdaq: BNTX) today announced the execution of an agreement with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Defense to meet the U.S. government’s Operation Warp Speed program goal to begin delivering 300 million doses of a vaccine for COVID-19 in 2021. Under the agreement, the U.S. government will receive 100 million doses of BNT162, the COVID-19 vaccine candidate jointly developed by Pfizer and BioNTech, after Pfizer successfully manufactures and obtains approval or emergency use authorization from U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

This press release features multimedia. View the full release here: https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20200722005438/en/

Barbara Ann

The 14 days of house arrest that Eric describes, in my case for the crime of traveling overseas (to visit relatives) are precisely my present circumstances. I am finding this experience of the "new normal" an illuminating one and am happy to share it.

I must serve this mandatory sentence despite being tested negative for the virus upon arrival. In fact the stipulations from the authorities are such that I must also remain physically apart from other members of the household for the duration, so as to keep society "safe". The absurdity is amplified by the text I receive each morning demanding that I reply "WELL" to confirm that I remain free of viral symptoms. The penalty for not doing so is a visit by covid isolation law enforcement.

My current circumstances thus remind me of another literary classic and inspire empathy for the fate of Kafka's Gregor Samsa. The government having effectively decreed my Metamorphosis into vermin so repellent I must be confined to my room, it has been interesting to observe the differing attitudes of my housemates toward my plight. Those worst afflicted by the 'rona paranoia were happy to support my continue incarceration, but thankfully the head of the household relented after a week and I am now permitted to move freely about the house.

Hugging family members is presently an act of civil disobedience and my habitual early morning walk illegal - even though I can guarantee not encountering another living soul. I check my pockets beforehand to ensure my phone remains in the house.

Will all this lunacy go away when the vaccine is rolled out? Given the largely meek response to new authoritarian statutes I am pessimistic that governments will willingly surrender the new level of control over the populace which they now enjoy. I share Polish Janitor's concerns re the possible imposition of a vaccine passporting system taken up by employers and travel companies. The frog of personal liberties is being boiled.

Fred

Leith,

"Trump had nothing to do with it."

You mean all those regulatory barriers just disappeared by themselves?

JM Gavin

Leith,
Is the plan to blame Trump for everything that goes wrong for the next 4-8 years, as people (like you) did with Bush during the Obama years? If anything good results from something Trump did, you'll deny the goodness, or find some goofy logic that allows you to give someone else the credit?


JMG

Polish Janitor

J.M. Gavin, Barbara Ann, Mark Logan,

I think J.M. Gavin described the situation best. At the end of the day it is boiled down to the dualism of being subject vs being citizen. It is exactly the reason why I asked, because this new government-imposed "health authoritarianism" targets our very livelihoods and survival, let alone free movement or constant observation/surveillance by the government. I have never been an anti-vaxxer, I don't adhere to certain religious faiths that have restrictive view on vaccines (Hasidic Jews, etc.) and just want to enjoy a normal hassle-free life. All of these vaccines, Moderna, Pfizer, etc. apply the mRNA genetic 'enhancement' method instead of just a weak or significantly diminished virus injection into the body. It is literally akin to changing our DNA composition so that our immunity system could fight off the infection more effectively because it is 'coded' in our DNA sequence. I don't allow anyone, and certainly not the government to manipulate my genetic code, because of covid-19 or other incoming diseases, so that it could control me and millions of other easier and better like chattel.

I honestly believe it must not be mandatory, even to the millions who have already caught it, recovered and are negative now. Everyone must have the freedom to choose what they want to put into their bodies with regards to the covid-19 vaccines, and btw it is not 19th century anymore and people are not dropping like flies from polio, or zika or ebola or whatever. The government must back off (to put it very midly!) and leave me and my family alone. If it boils down to the question of subject vs. citizen I have zero doubt in my mind that I will never surrender my body to the government to do whatever it wants with it.

If you have told me a year or so ago that something like this was gonna be on the horizon, I would not have even remotely believed it, but here we go. What a terrible year 2020 has been so far! Why can't these Bolsheviks (or neo-Bolsheviks according to Colonel Lang) leave us be?

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