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19 November 2020

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Laura Wilson

turcopolier, Why do suppose they are waiting to present their evidence? Shouldn't they present it in order that their case is not tossed? Maybe there is an attorney out their in the group that can clarify why the wait is good legal practice and how they next phase will proceed absent any evidence b being presented.

longarch

Sir,
free speech has at least two lines of defense. Sidney Powell, Lin Wood, and their cohorts are just the first line.

Lin Wood tweeted a link to Sarah Westall:

https://twitter.com/LLinWood/status/1329431306967666690?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

The public face of free speech is in the lawyers like Tom Fitton, in some investigative journalists such as Project Veritas, and in publicizers such as OANN.

However, the second line of defense starts with technicians who are seldom interviewed. Many of these technicians were galvanized by the injustices visited on General Flynn. One such technician is Ron Watkins, better known as Code Monkey. He is an OANN interview with him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKcPoCNW8AA

Even if (God forbid) an unconstitutional coup were to succeed, numerous technicians hiding in plain sight would survive and would not stand idly by while free speech suffered.

Serge

Speaking of kulaks, has anyone read Solzhenitsyn's "Gulag Archipelago"? Gotta give those volumes a reread some day.

The Twisted Genius

pl,

Trump’s lawyers lost or withdrew 15 cases across Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada and Pennsylvania. There are 6 pending. They won one which didn’t amount to much, which they subsequently lost in the Pennsylvania Supreme Court. Giuliani’s case in Pennsylvania was a comedy. He went off on a wild tangent and didn’t even address the fraud case as presented. When asked to vouch for some statement as an officer of the court, he shut up after admitting there was no fraud. He was smart enough not to commit perjury. In another Pennsylvania case, Trump’s lawyers had to stipulate that they “do not allege and there is no evidence of, any fraud, any misconduct, any impropriety or any undue influence committed in respect to the challenged ballots.”

You’re right this new tack has has not yet been brought to court and there’s no reason to present evidence until that time. I look forward to that day when they try to link several unrelated companies, countries and a long dead dictator in a six degrees of Kevin Bacon fashion. I won’t be surprised if Rudy and Sydney try to bring Cris Krebs and the entire CISA as co-conspirators.

Fred

Barbara Ann,

"Big Tech will let you keep your account..."

Naw, they just start with shadow banning, then the SJW wing of the "trust and safety" councils will determine your guilt, then you'll be banned. On an increasing basis a process similar to the Bank of America fraudulent accounts scheme will begin wherein you'll just have your accounts closed, due to bad think or bad associations or just because.

https://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/news/2019/09/18/federal-regulators-reveal-investigation-of-bank-of.html

turcopolier

Laura Wilson

Are you a lawyer?

Barbara Ann

Re the presser:

At 2:01:40 Lin Wood reveals the game plan; "what we've asked for are temporary restraining orders or injunctions to not certify false results". She then seems to go on to say that Wayne Co. MI is not going to be certifying its results. It isn't clear if that is fact or forecast.

So Team Kraken aim to get injunctions at the city/county level so as to have these votes excluded when the key states certify? They've clearly done the math, so *if* SCOTUS can be persuaded *in time* does projected President-elect Biden become projected President-elect Trump? The Dems will challenge the injunctions, but if Kraken really does have convincing evidence how likely are they to be successful?

Robert Willmann mentioned injunctions in the PA late ballot case in is last piece. I'd very much like to hear his updated take in the light of these revelations, particularly on the timing - the clock is running down fast.

Barbara Ann

Fred

Some will be banned, but a loss of 71M users would upset the stockholders. Better from their POV to shadow ban you so they can continue to mine your data.

AK

Serge,

I just began the abridged one-volume edition. I don't have time for the full three-volume set (nor the money to purchase it), but the abridged version and its translation received Solzhenitsyn's own blessing when it was first published in the early 1980s, so I will trust its merit on that endorsement. The foreword of this new printing is by Jordan Peterson and it is an excellent summary of the work's importance and also of the catastrophic effects of a society that allows itself to be consumed by lies.

Laura Wilson is correct - lies do kill people. Though, she fails to realize that they always do it most effectively when it's the state that has the full, unconstrained power to decide and dictate what is a lie and what is not.

turcopolier

TTG

Did you watch the presser today? All of it?

Deap

Free speech means you have access to primary source material, and not just media digested versions of what actually took place. The only link to the actual press conference held today about the election ( Rudy Guiliani and Sidney Powell): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao9HFGiK_Pg

Cue this linked video up about the one hour mark- when Guiliani takes stage - the first part is just site preparation for the actual press conference.

When trying to search this primary source material, the streams of "versions" (all negative -dwelling on "hot mess hair dye" Guiliani were stunning. It took a lot of work to find on my search engine - duckduckgo - to find this primary resource. That is what "free speech" on the internet looks like today - partisan pablum.

Watch the whole thing -it is about an hour (cue up past the first hour). Then watch the press treatment - the equivalent of Mike Pence's fly in the VP debates.

Eric Newhill

Barbara Ann,
Yes. No doubt that team Kraken has done the math and knows exactly which districts need to be thrown out to give the win to Trump. Obviously, these are Biden heavy districts where they have at least some evidence that some level of cheating occurred.

I wonder if team Biden would try to have Trump heavy districts thrown out to put Biden back in the lead by demonstrating that fraud happened there too - if they can't block team Kraken's legal actions. Oddly, the fraud team Biden would go after could even be fraud that favored Biden even though Trump won the district; the odd dead person voting here and there for Biden. That sort of thing.

So both sides trying to whittle down the other's vote total by demonstrating cheating until the music stops and one team is left without a chair.

If my country's future wasn't on the line, this would be seriously interesting entertainment.

Eric Newhill

Barbara Ann,
I'm not sure that 71 million users matters much when there are billions of new customers to be had in China, India, Africa, etc

Deap

TTG, the major issue is election official fraud; not voter fraud. Though there most likely there were incidents of individual voter fraud too - vote-harvesting allows voter fraud, but often that takes place with voter complicity so it is not true fraud.

But the material issues that will change the outcome of this election are the vote processing issues - software corruptions, intentional vote count manipulations, stuffed ballots delivered outside of the official chain of ballot custody, lost ballots, dumped ballots, illegal ballot acceptance procedures, and mathmatically bizzare surges that defy any prior election experiences. That is what the sworn affidavits address.

Good if you sit through the entire press conference and start doing back up investigations on the media that is actively addressing this matter, if you want to keep discussing this topic.

The Twisted Genius

pl,

Yes, not live, but I watched it. Giuliani's initial litany of complaints was the substance of a lot of the earlier lawsuits filed by the Trump campaign. None of the lawyers would swear to that "evidence" as officers of the court, just as Rudy did with his court appearance. For her sake, Sydney better have a different tack than the Hugo Chavez angle. It all political theater rather than court strategy, although it was good political theater reinforcing the notion that our elections have descended to the level of third world backwater in four short years.

The Twisted Genius

BillWade,

I'm sure you're right in that Giuliani and Powell are just getting started. Rudy only appeared in court once and it was a disaster. The close to two dozen lawsuits already brought were done by other Trump campaign lawyers, some of whom have since left the cause.Court documents have been published for a lot of those lawsuits. They don't lie.

Leith

Serge -

Many years ago I read much of Solzhenitzen. I agree about a reread. Have you read any of Borodin or Voinovich?

Mark Logan

Serge,

I quit about half way through. Felt I had gotten the gist. The work that stands out for me is "A day in the life of Ivan Deniovich". I believe it very under rated masterpiece. Not a word wasted. Should be read on a snowy night by a warm fire. For whatever reason that part where he captures the entire person of an old Russian officer in the gulag simply by describing how he placed his bowl and handled his spoon...just a few sentences...still give me chills.

Fred

TTG,

Why did those lawyer's "leave the cause"?

SysATI

Excuse my french but I thought you guys worshipped the "1st amendment". I have seen pictures in the past of KKK rallies in the middle of cities surrounded by police forces protecting THEM from the crowd and not the opposite.

So I assume that censorship and NOT protecting 1st amendment rights of free speed is a crime in the states.

Then how come Twitter censored Trump or non covid believers on social media don't/can't do a thing about it ???

The same censorship would be (in fact IS) perfectly accepted in France where such a "freedom of speech" concept is not as strong as in the states (even if Voltaire once said : I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it).

But in the US where every aspect of life is "lawyerized" to the extreme, I really don't understand how this censorship can exist ! (I mean legally)

Could someone explain that to me ?

PS: I don't want to get into the "pedophile/hate speech" etc debate.
Of course some things need to be controled/censored but, is freedom of speech just legally binding to the state, not privately owned companies ?

Fred

SysATI,

We aren't France.

"how come Twitter censored Trump or non covid believers on social media "

Because they are leftist dominated anti-Trump driven organizations with exemptions under section 230 of the 1996 Communications Decency Act. That law provides a shield to online publishers from liability for content generated by users. By censoring Trump (or anyone else) they are violating that legal requirement. Twitter is not the only social media monopoly doing this. It is only going to get worse.

Patrick Armstrong

I watched the whole press conference too. IMO too much Venezuela (I agree with PCR that that is improbable) too much emotion from RG, too much abuse of the "Media".
And, of course the MSM went for all the squirrels. See for example the Daily Mail's hair dye stuff.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8967203/Rudy-Giuliani-presents-evidence-massive-voting-fraud-bizarre-press-conference.html
Say what you like about the DM, but it's about the only MSM outlet that occasionally reports actual news and allows free comments
BUT read the best rated comments. The frist few agree with the slant of the piece (RG's crazy and so are they all) but a lot don't. EG << I came here looking for explanation or some kind of response to the information and I'm reading about hair dye??>>

Mark K Logan

SysATI,

That is correct. The 1st Amendment applies to the government as far as censorship goes. But it also IMO protects publishers from the government forcing them to repeat that which in the publisher's judgement is agitprop.

Deap

WSJ reporting of this press conference was beyond irresponsible. Latest journalistic ploy is to claim there is no "widespread" evidence of election fraud. (True)

Press conference pointed out the sworn testimony provides evidence of concentrated fraud in a few Democrat run cities with a proven history of election fraud. (True)

Press conference did not once claim "widespread fraud". This was totally made up argument and inserted into the WSJ reporting. Never once did the WSJ mention the role, history and intentional development of Dominion voting software nor the trip those votes made between those cities and German computers.

When WSJ resorts to made up, straw dog reporting to make a biased point, it can no longer stand behind any shred of journalistic integrity.

If there was even a teaching moment for critical thinking, this WSJ article is it. Compare and contract: the actual live press contrast to the media reporting of this event in various sources: WSJ - MSNBC.

How and why did they chose to report this event as they did - what parts of their reporting were accurate and which parts were totally made up?

Fake news is the enemy of the people.

Deap

"These are the times that try men’s souls; the summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.

Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph."

Thomas Paine

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