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29 October 2020

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Fred

The scoop of the year and you use FedEx/DHL/UPS to get it overnight to LA? Really? I sure hope Tucker had some RFID chips emplanted or other methods of tracking as using any mail service instead of having someone get on a plain with this in the carry-one is a mark of really poor judgement.

ace

Someone scanned them before couriering them, right?

Company finds a courier package open and empty, and then scours their premises to find the contents, on the assumption that they were accidentally exposed to a sharp object, and that the papers therein just fluttered to the ground.

Do they do this will all damaged packages? Not to my recollection. You get a nifty 'damaged in transit' sticker covering the wreckage, and a casual shrug from the last-mile guy, if you're lucky.

How would a statement-maker know that THAT package contained something interesting? It could have contained payroll forms, or an invite to a Christmas party or who knows what ...

Story gets stranger and stranger. It's got a "once upon a time" feel to it, if you know what I mean.

JerseyJeffersonian

Well, it appears that several things may be possible.

1)The Surveillance State has had active eyes on Bobulinski, and perhaps also Carlson.

2)Internal operatives are in place to supplement whatever electronic surveillance has already been in place; not only redundancy, but also the capability to physically intercede in the transmission of documents/information.

3) A violation of the free operation of the Press presents no obstacle to whomever was behind this, so it is clear that the abrogation and violation of Constitutional rights present no barrier to the actions of whoever was behind these actions. I take this really seriously as a citizen of the Republic, as it clearly and unambiguously telegraphs that we can expect no adherence to the basic rights that inhere in citizenship under the Constitution. In this action, and in a growing list of similar, egregious violations (such as fair trials for those targeted by the so-called Resistance, viz. Gen. Flynn), that to these people the Constitution is, indeed, just a damn piece of superannuated paper.

Unless this was a targeted sting, ala Project Veritas, designed to draw these bad actors out, the operational security by the possessors of these missing documents was inadequate; they need to figure out what time it is, and act accordingly.

Couriers should be employed, maybe even decoy couriers, and perhaps bodyguards for the couriers need to be used. Frankly, we are at war against a domestic insurgency, and wartime thinking must now hold sway.

Norbert M Salamon

hopefully the electronic originals still exist

MK

Just a personal experience: I ordered some stickers from the Trump online store. When the package arrived, it was seriously bent/folded and ripped. The stickers were torn apart. This was the USPS. Obviously someone along the way didn't like my package. I have no doubt that is what happened here.

PRC90

No one sends this kind of material to anyone without keeping a couple of page-numbered and marked copies, so will one of these pop up as a replacement ? Stay tuned.

blue peacock

Did Tucker Carlson's crack team make a copy of the documents before overnighting it to him in LA?

Dunno. But it seems like clickbait.

Norbert M Salamon

Y
The missing documents via Zerohedge:

Bobulinski provided more than 1,700 pages of emails and more than 600 screenshots of text messages to Senate investigators and handed over to the FBI the smartphones he used during his business dealings with the Bidens. The documents detailed a failed joint venture between a billionaire tied to the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and a company owned by Hunter Biden, James Biden, Bobulinski and two other partners.

While the corporate documents don’t mention Biden by name, emails sent between the partners suggest that either James Biden or Hunter Biden held a 10 percent stake for the former vice president. In the email, the stake is assigned to “the big guy,” who Bobulinski says is Joe Biden.

AK

Apparently the documents have been miraculously recovered:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-ups-responds-to-disappearance-of-tucker-carlson-package-damning-to-biden

"UPDATE: UPS told The Daily Beast Thursday that they have located the missing documents sent to Tucker Carlson after an 'extensive search.'

'After an extensive search, we have found the contents of the package and are arranging for its return,' the UPS spokesman told the news outlet. 'UPS will always focus first on our customers, and will never stop working to solve issues and make things right.'"

A.Pols

Questions:
Which shipping company? Why did Carlson redact that information?
Did the New York party not make copies?

ked

It sounds a lot more like “the dog ate my homework” to me.
Much like Trump’s taxes, there’s nothing stopping Tucker from releasing all the tracking info on the pkg as well as IDing the carrier & all his interchange with them.
Further, I’m shocked (Shocked! I tells ya) the contents weren’t copied & secured immediately upon possession, prior to shipment... just in case... standard practice. I‘d fire his ass if this were a critical biz deal. Instead, he misses out on a Pulitzer Prize.

Deap

What is lost, has now been found. ..... In the words of Ian Fleming, “Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it’s enemy action.” ....

turcopolier

A. Pols

UPS. It seems that they have found the contents of the envelope. I hope someone inventoried the docs before sending them. whoever did not should be fired as Ked says.

TV

Ked:
Tucker Carlson will NEVER get a Pulitzer.

Keith Harbaugh

Sundance has a theory on what happened to the documents:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/10/28/tucker-carlson-bobulinski-documents-intercepted-and-removed-from-overnight-package/

QUOTE:

As an outcome of the U.S. Patriot Act, the U.S. Dept. of Homeland Security has an agreement in place with mail shipping companies, public/private services, that essentially allows them a portal to track all in-state and interstate mail deliveries.

The FBI has access to this data network in the same way the FBI has access to federal transportation records. Just like when you book a flight and DHS portals are open that allow FBI to track your movements domestically. This type of portal is also accessed in private company transportation like Uber, Lyft etc. DHS, and as a consequence the FBI, can easily track your whereabouts.

Without much hesitation I will bet the FBI was monitoring the communication of Bobulinski, and by extension the entire Tucker Carlson production network. Once the shipment was known to be taking place, the DHS portals are opened; the package is tracked; and the FBI moves in to intercept the delivery.

END QUOTE

Deap

Long story, trying to confirm a troubling anecdote - ignore unless you like old tales of foreign intrigue.

Query: Did the technology exist in 1976 to monitor mail coming into the US from Europe?

A certain Incident always bothered me. I was living in Europe in the 1970's and sending cassette tapes to family in the US describing my experiences - all came through the US mail and were delivered intact with no issue- the tape cassette always being packaged in a small manilla mailing envelope.

Except for one tape cassette and one tape cassette only - only the envelope got delivered, but with no tape cassette, and attached was a postal service note that the envelope was somehow opened was missing its contents. (How did they know there were "contents"?)

Now it just happened that one sole, missing in the mails cassette just happened to be one I recorded after a 1976 visit to Moscow and Leningrad - - describing my engaging but somewhat hapless experiences in this super-efficient, superpower nation. I assumed in retrospect a tourist's impressions could be of some interest during those Cold War days, if someone wanted a range of contemporary "domestic" observations.

(I observed this "super-efficient super-power state was in fact a rather big fail for those on the streets, and trying to get the simplest things done, and the Russians (Soviets) were personally amiable and open to Americans. There was a black market for everything back then, but only sekt and caviar were worth an exchange - rubles neyt. )

So back to my original question: Did our IC or someone else monitor my mail coming back into the US in 1976 and remove the contents of this one particular tape? This cassette was sent-- from Europe -- not Russia. Was my cassette officially purloined? Or just randomly lost - to happenstance.

Assuming I must have had a visa that notified someone I, as a US citizen, was making this visit at that time - from Europe to Russia and back again. Details about that are hazy in my own mind. Local European travel agency handled those details - was on a group tour.

We know today from the NSA Data Center in Bluffdale Utah, the capacity for detailed monitoring exists; but in 1976 were we that good too? Could there a file on me as a suspected Soviet agent somewhere in the bowels of US state records? Did my tape of candid observations eventually help crack open the evil empire? Ha.

turcopolier

Deap

That would depend on how suspicious a character you were.

Bobo

Deap

My father was a Letter Carrier from the late 40’s to early 80’s and always told the stories in his elder years of government agents questioning him regarding a few customers as to the type of mail the customer received and occasionally to bring individuals mail to the local postal inspectors office and he would get it back for delivery a few days later and he always recognized if it had been opened or in different packaging. So you must of been on their list back then. Our government has been using many tools to check up on its citizens for many years.
Of course he passed from Dementia so you never know.

JerseyJeffersonian

Deap, Col. Lang,

Among the body of his research work in various fields (human factors engineering) my dad did classified work for the military. This work he could never really discuss, only occasionally revealing the barest outline of its substance. (One I do recall was a course of instruction for Navy personnel on nuclear missile carrying submarines - boomers - on fire fighting procedures while remaining submerged.)

Back in those days, good little geek that I was, I was an avid shortwave radio listener. I would submit reception reports to various stations, and would in return receive QSL cards (still have them...) in acknowledgement of valid, and useful reports to the stations letting them know the quality of reception of their broadcasts in my area of the world.

Among the stations to which I submitted reports were Radio Moscow, whose call sign of tolling Russian bells was most delightful, as was the call sign of Radio South Africa with its snatch of an Africaaner folk song played on guitar in conjunction with the lovely call of a South African bird.

But the ones that resulted not only in a QSL card, but also some other prizes were those made to Radio Havana, and Radio Peking. For years afterwards, I received Christmas cards from Cuba with little cartoonish Castros in Santa suits, but from China, along with the expected QSL card, I got a copy of Quotations from Chairman Mao, the Little Red Book (still have that, too...). I'll bet that these provoked a couple of notes in my dad's security file, yet with no discernable impact on his clearances, I hasten to add.

akaPatience

For those who didn't watch the show tonight:

It was a THUMB DRIVE that went missing, not original documents. However, TC said that he received the thumb drive today but that UPS was NOT forthcoming: he asked that the packaging be returned to him but UPS said it had been discarded; he asked for details about what went awry but UPS wouldn't offer any.

I know from my years-long UPS delivery man that the company keeps very precise records of the processing of every item it ships - details about who handles it, where exactly it's handled, etc., so I have to say the stonewalling does seem suspicious.

Deap

Hmmmmm...suspicious character ..... of course not. I was a church going 4-H member who won blue ribbons for my lemon meringue pies at the county fair.

Until I started thinking about this - by 1975, I had graduated from UC Berkeley during the 1960's free speech movement (commie hot bed at the time) though I played no part in that whatsoever, took a cruise that went to Egypt when it was under Soviet domination, and stopped also in Dubrovnik Yugoslavia when it was a Warsaw Pact member in the late 1960's ... and then trotted off to Russia during the height of the Cold War in the mid 1970's - not much to go on there. Or was it, in someone else's eyes?

I just love the travel - the more exotic and off the beaten path the better. I come from a globally traveling family, so it all seemed normal to me to keep up the tradition.. But always as a tourist with normal tourist experiences, bringing home only tourist souvenirs, photos and memories.

turcopolier

Deap

And you do not think you would have seemed dubious?

ked

The story doesn’t get stranger & stranger... it gets obviouser & obviouser.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/tucker-carlson-suddenly-says-its-time-to-leave-hunter-biden-alone

Mark Logan

Ked,

Tucker says he will not longer participate in the effort against Hunter.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-missing-ups-biden-family-documents-hunter-biden

I don't understand the panic over "lost" docs that were on a flash drive. Did the NY office not make a copy before sending it? Seems unlikely. I assume they implied to Tucker that those were actual documents. If Tucker was misinformed on this matter by his own people it's wise of him to bow out.

turcopolier

Mark Logan
I have watched last night's Tucker Carlson several times today. He does not say that he is dropping the hunter Biden investigation. He says that he does not want to "pile on" H. Biden any more than is necessary to pin corruption charges on Joe. He also says quite clearly that his office in New York had copied the documents on the thumb drive before sending it through UPS.

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