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EEngineer

The UK has a new political party:
https://www.heritageparty.org/manifesto/

LondonBob

I expect Nigel Farage will be back on the scene soon enough, there is plenty of space for a party to the right of the 'Conservative' party but the first past the post system makes it hard for them to establish themselves. Probably the biggest effect is forcing the 'Consetvative' party to act like conservatives.

fakebot

After how they attacked JK Rowling, who only said men can't menstruate, it's gotten to the point where something like this needed to happen. The attacks on speech is really getting ridiculous.

Let's hope they find good candidates and people come forward in their support.

akaPatience

I'm an ardent fan of the Inspector Morse/Inspector Lewis/Endeavour TV shows which appear on PBS. There are crossover characters, one minor one of which is indeed a gamekeeper in one of the Endeavour (the prequel series of Inspector Morse) episodes, who is the future father of DS James Hathaway.

Hathaway would be a logical (and welcomed by fans) spin-off of the franchise. But will it ever happen now that Laurence Fox has been vilified since his January, 2020 appearance on talk show Question Time for his remarks about "white privilege" and "wokeism"? IMO it takes exceptional courage for someone, especially in his profession, to dare to speak out about such things. He's risked his career and livelihood by doing so. Bravo indeed.

J

Will they become the champion's against their government's abuse of their citizenry?


https://summit.news/2020/09/28/students-threatened-with-police-action-for-displaying-anti-lockdown-signs-in-windows/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8780277/Overstretched-police-struggling-crack-curfew-breakers.html

https://twitter.com/i/status/1309817510137651200

https://twitter.com/i/status/1309855215999475715

JerseyJeffersonian

LondonBob,

It would be nice if something similar happened to our "Republican" party;such as acting as if they are in support of The Republic, instead of being shot in the ass with being the best little cabal of compradors assisting the Globalist Uniparty. It'd make for a commendable change.

But then, the Uniparty always exerts maximal, unified effort in squelching any newparty that challenges their hegemony, don't they? Sez this Perot voter who saw it happen - twice. All of the major ills that the man foresaw have come to pass, and many other ills besides.

English Outsider

London Bob - the First Past The Post system makes it difficult for a small party to get going. But I'm still not convinced that proportional representation is the answer. In continental Europe that often results in practice in a lot of back room dealing to form a coalition.

In which case the voter still might not end up with what he thinks he's voted for. And dissident parties can get frosted out of any coalition so never get to influence policy.

I know the theoretical arguments that proportional representation is fairer and therefore healthier but in practice PR seems to get you a status quo government even more than FPTP.

Farage got round FPTP by using UKIP to take votes away from the Conservatives. To that we owe Brexit. Before UKIP the Conservatives weren't bothered that an increasing number of their voters wanted Brexit. Brexit voters had nowhere else to go because the other parties were also pro-EU. As soon as Farage started taking votes away from the Conservatives the Conservative party did get bothered.

Still are - the leaked Cabinet minutes showed the Conservative government still worried that Farage or some such figure would rob them of votes. We don't owe Brexit to the fact that the Conservative Party suddenly dropped its pro-EU position. We owe Brexit to the fact that the Conservatives wanted to stop Farage draining away their votes.

So Farage got Brexit without getting anywhere near the House of Commons. Better than nothing but still not that good - we end up with the ridiculous position that a party that, in its senior stratum, still doesn't really want to leave the EU is negotiating on our behalf to do just that! Hence the limp-wristed approach of HMG to the current "last lap" negotiations.

So FPTP or PR we still don't get governments that are truly responsive to the wishes of the electorate.

But surely in any case the solution to such puzzles doesn't lie in tinkering with the voting system. It lies with the voter. Unless we step back from the media circus modern politics has become, unless we abandon our defeatist practice of voting for the "least worst option", and unless we vote for people who really represent our views no matter what their chances of success are, no voting system can arrive at results that reflect the wishes of the voter rather than the wishes of those who so skillfully manipulate him.

turcopolier

all
Ah, Doctor Nicki Alexander, how could the dolt who cut up bodies with you every day and weighed their parts hand in hand not see how much, in an English repressed way, you yearned for him? I grieve for that.

blue peacock
Unless we step back from the media circus modern politics has become, unless we abandon our defeatist practice of voting for the "least worst option", and unless we vote for people who really represent our views no matter what their chances of success are, no voting system can arrive at results that reflect the wishes of the voter rather than the wishes of those who so skillfully manipulate him.

Well said, English Outsider. I couldn't agree more with you. Ultimately the voters need to be accountable for the politics and government we have and as long as we keep voting Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum, we can't expect different outcomes.

Mathias Alexander

A party dedicated to pretending what happened didn't happen and to more motherhood. I wonder what thier position on Julian Assange is.

turcopolier

BP

OK. Tell me who you will vote for in this election if you will not vote for the lesser of two weevils.

English Outsider


Well, Colonel, if it turns out in November that your fellow Americans have no further use for this man Trump, send him over here. He'd be a Godsend.

And given that he's survived the most vicious attacks I've ever seen mounted against an American President he'd walk it this side of the Atlantic.

We could give him a golf course or two to keep him happy but I rather think he's taken care of that side of things already.

blue peacock

Col. Lang

The politician that aligns most closely with my views is Ron Paul.

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