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01 August 2020

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walrus

I think you must have a different virus in the USA from what we have in Australia.

The one we have kills old people mainly the over seventy group. This maximises inter generational tensions because the young are asked to work to help the old. There is also an economic incentive to do away with the elderly.

The one we have is frighteningly infectious.

Since people are infectious for days before they have symptoms, and people have very short attention spans these days, managing a health strategy is like driving backwards at 60mph using your rear view mirror. This creates opportunities for every crank, nutcase, conspiracy theorist, grifter and crook to find fault with existing policy.

The irony of American traditions of great personal liberty hampering effective Covid-19 policy responses is not lost on people outside the U.S..

We had one infected person visit a resort restaurant on 22nd July. He gave it to a waitress. She gave it to her teenage son. The school is now closed and 100+ kids and their families are waiting for test results. This is a great community with a lot of older folk who contribute enormously to society. If this thing escapes it will break this town.

I watched some of Fauci and I fail to see him doing anything other than his level best for the American people, despite deliberate provocation.

The virus escaped control here through a failure to communicate with non english speaking immigrant communities. It then got into the criminal population. It has been now amplified by poor people who can not afford not to continue to work when they know they are infected.

The net result of that is likely a New Zealand style total lockdown starting Wednesday.


I may have Covid19 but I hope not. If I did, although I feel fine, I may have already infected my wife and close friends and they may be now doing likewise.

Diana Croissant

Fouci just doesn't want to lose his status now as an importnat public official. Right now it's the Democrats who raise him up as an epert.

I am sorry that Trump ever introduced him to the media. He's the dopiest "official" I ever saw on the tee vee.

I mentioned before, I was tested and I did not have COVID19. I am pretty sure that I haven't been infected since then, but I am not going to become paranoid and keep getting tested.

At the same time< I'm very tired of wearing a mask to be politically correct (and because it's mandated in some places.) How can I spead it, if I don't have it.

GET THE KIDS BACK IN SCHOOL. Never give in to the AFT or the NEA. They have never supported what is right for students.

Deap

Democrats are going to run on this one issue: Trump failed handling covid and left you all to die. Create the fear, then pound home the message Whether it is real or not.

Fake covid porn amplified by the media plays directly into the Democrats hands - just like drumming body counts was supposed to be winning the war in Vietnam.

Remember OWS - they created the enemy first - Wall Street, bankers, corporations, capitalism, the 1%, and then moved in for the kill - wealth redistribution and dues paying union jobs for everyone.

Since March 15, the deep state has been ginning up the covid fear. Flattening the curve quickly became flat-line any Trump bragging rights. Nancy tears up Trump's SOTU address - war on America is declared

Now the Dems move in for the harvest and collateral benefits: no conventions, no rallies, no polling place voting, no debates, end of Durham investigations, stay inside, be very afraid, turn the economy into a shattered mess, keep your kids out of school .... the covid advantage in the Democrat court is staggering.

Show your obedience- wear your mask and become a faceless automoton. Orangeman is now more than bad. Orangeman wants to kill you. And your children and granny too. Democrats excel at going for the emotional jugular, while carving up the tax dollars amongst themselves behind your backs.

How does one blunt that message?

turcopolier

walrus

You are a lot more gullible than I had thought. Fauci is an egomaniac ass whose posturing has contributed mightily to driving the US people into a frenzied panic.

Outrage Beyond

re:

"While the media is busy telling you about Florida being a veritable hotbed of plague, the fact is that since March 1st, there have been a total of 57 deaths from Covid."

Data from one hospital is a small sample.

According to this site, FL has 480,028 total cases, 9,642 new cases in the last 24 hours, 7,022 total deaths, and 179 deaths in the last 24 hours.

Source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Further, FL is #2 in the USA for total cases and is battling it out with CA to be #1.

Does anyone have contrary data or evidence that the data from this site is false?

Deap

In the US, this virus kills young people - those under 100.

optimax

Larry

Do the people who were notified they tested positive but weren't tested living in Florida? I've read that's happening in Florida.

The daily number of positives Oregon reports includes "presumed" infections. Even at that our positive rate is below 5%.

FROM LARRY--Yes. Florida residents

Fred

Walrus,

The OK Boomers Face Their Mortality. The elderly are at risk, how dare the young have a future, how dare they! How many dead and dying do you have this time around? Your generation has lost a lot of credibility, sir. Your generation is telling us all to just give up our rights and our children's opportunites so you can have a couple more years, doing what, exactly? The excuse being "Covid 19" is "frighteningly infectious"? So what. What's the death rate? How many dead from the Children of Covid do you have down under, Walrus, zero? That seems to be the number here.

Some customer at a restauruant, so you report, infected a waitress, who gets the blame for infecting someone else? Convenient, isn't it. Whose political purposes does that story just happen to serve? Naw, it couldn't be a fraud being perpetrated on Australians; a contact tracer would never lie and no one would ever lie to them, and the politicians just have our interests at heart. Like when they opened borders to massive immigration without assimilation or language skills requirements - how did that work out given the problems you report on the spread of this virus?; like when they encouraged "low cost country" sourcing and gutted our manufacturing base, how did that work out for making PPE, anti-biotics, or other medical equipment?; like when they launched all those regime changes wars overseas. Yep, so much for credibility. Shocking that those opposed to the one American politician in 30 years to do something about those three things are all on the side of lock-downs and assumption of political powers not authorized in the Constitution.

"American traditions of great personal liberty hampering effective Covid-19 policy responses is not lost on people outside the U.S.."

Thanks for the clear condemnation of American freedom.

There's zero proof of the young either being at risk or being a source of spreading this virus, and none for assymptomatic spread, but there sure is a lot of quackery, starting with Fauci. He's joined by most of the press, and all of the anti-Trump supporter leftists. They'll gladly destroy the US economy to keep him out of office. They might wind up in jail otherwise.


Larry,

Looks like Congress is a seperate and superior class and that funerals where politicians decide to attend are essential state functions, no limit on attendance size and, even better, no spread of Covid from the old people in office, political science says so; the rest of use are seperate but equal citizens:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/dc-mayor-exempts-john-lewis-funeral-attendees-from-citys-quarantine-restrictions

J

COVID is the new cash cow.

Terence Gore

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/903770/PHE_insight_Excess_weight_and_COVID-19.pdf

Obesity and covid Public Health England

https://www.pandata.org.za/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Exploring-inter-country-variation.pdf

Interesting article on co morbidities, obesity, and per person health as it relates to countries. Most of the math and data way over my head.

Pandata twitter link

https://twitter.com/PanData19

akaPatience

I didn't initially distrust Dr. Fauci's judgement, but as the months have passed, I just can't help it.

His coyly dismissive remarks about HCQ, which has proven (with a few exceptions) to be an effective tool not only to treat many C-19 patients but also as a prophylaxis, is nothing short of medical malpractice. He and other bureaucrats should be ashamed of themselves since the use of HCQ for C-19 has even been BANNED in various places, my home state of Ohio included. This is unbelievable, unconscionable! There would be less need to shut down as much normal life if effective prophylaxes were readily available and prescribed - after all, VACCINES DON'T TREAT OR CURE SICK PEOPLE.

Could it be that holding out for a vaccine as one excuse for locking down so much for so long is the point, the purpose of the prohibition of HCQ? I never dreamed Democrats were so power hungry that they'd engage in intellectual dishonesty to the degree that would place human lives and livelihoods at such risk. But they have, and it's a nightmare.

J

Something you might interested in is that Russia will start mass vaccinations in October, and drop the mask mandate 'due to' the Hydroxy Cure.

The clinical trials of a COVID vaccine developed by the Gamalei Institute of Epidemiology and Microbiology in Moscow are now over, and the paperwork is in the works for its registration. A vaccine that creates 100% immunity in the test subjects of the vaccine trials. 1st and 2nd phase saw 100% immunity after the first 21 days, and doubled after their second shot.

Medical workers and teacher will be the first to receive the inoculations.

Back in April 2020 Russian President Putin issued an order to allow treatment of COVID using the anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine.

Oh, one other thing, our northern neighbors Canada are also saying that the way the U.S. is 'testing', is 'insane'.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/07/ontario-canada-govt-medical-official-warns-mass-coronavirus-testing-will-not-actually-achieve-anything-false-positives-almost-half-low-covid-areas-video/

AK

I have read numerous anecdotal comments on news articles and on the one social media platform that I occasionally use (Instagram) to this effect, mostly in Texas. People who had showed up to testing facilities and given their personal contact information, only to leave after an hours-long wait WITHOUT being tested, later received a positive test confirmation in the mail. Mind you, the comments are not "my brother's girlfriend got a letter" etc. The comments are generally, "I got a letter after leaving without being tested."

In instances like this I look at general plausibility as a benchmark. Could all these individuals be participating willingly and cooperatively (or even less likely, coincidentally) in a broad-based lie about this having occurred to them or those they know? Possibly, but unlikely.

Could the testing facilities be compelled by some backdoor incentive (government or otherwise) to inflate their positive rates? Absolutely plausible in a number of ways. So ultimately this comes as no surprise if true.

J

The only COVID inoculation I will allow to be administered in my body will the be the Russian inoculation, in no-way-shape-or-form will I allow the Gates associated U.S. inoculation to be administered, period!

blue peacock

AK

Could this be fraud?

The lab billing for a test that they didn't administer.

Eliot

“ The irony of American traditions of great personal liberty hampering effective Covid-19 policy responses is not lost on people outside the U.S..”

Walrus,

I think the right has realized, at a grass roots level at least, that the people pushing these restrictions are power mad, and they do not have good data to support their claims. Fauci is a good example of this, but local and state health are often worse.

At the beginning of the outbreak we permitted them a great deal of power. We are realizing that was a mistake.

These officials are important people, for the first times in their lives, and they will not relinquish control.

Again, this is a largely grass roots phenomenon, but we understand that unless we take back control, we will lose these freedoms forever.

On a personal level, I would rather live in a society that permitted dangerous freedom, but I am a Virginian.

- Eliot

walrus

All, as far as I can tell, Covid-19 is behaving exactly as the science of epidemiology has predicted it would behave. That science includes amending our predictions as we learn more about the detailed behaviour of the virus. I have not seen or heard of ANY anomalous behaviour that would support a conspiracy theory perpetrated by anyone, least of all Fauci.

The fact is that some people don’t understand the science.

The fact is that some people don’t want to understand the science.

The fact is that some people don’t believe in science or virii or medicine or vaccines.

The fact is that there are crooks, politicians and idiots who want to use this disease for their own enrichment.

The fact is that some people (not at SST) are channeling Gen. Jack D. Ripper: “ I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion, and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.”

None of these facts change the honest nature of the virus - it is doing exactly what it’s RNA programmed it to do. Assuming anything else is just hand waving that slows and prevents a rational response to the pandemic.

Our State government has just enacted a six week state of disaster to deal with our blowout of community transmission. Lockdown, curfew, masks, travel restrictions, the works. The idea that this is part of a global conspiracy is crazy.

Mike46

akapatience: This is simply fake news. There is no ban on HCQ in Ohio. It can be dangerous to patients in a non-hospital setting. It is still being used here.

https://www.dispatch.com/article/20200729/NEWS/200728597

"Jul 1, 2020 FDA cautions against use of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine for COVID-19 outside of the hospital setting or a clinical trial due to risk of heart ..."

https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-cautions-against-use-hydroxychloroquine-or-chloroquine-covid-19-outside-hospital-setting-or

It's use had been restricted to initially prevent hoarding and misuse.

Rod

TonyL

Walrus,

"The irony of American traditions of great personal liberty hampering effective Covid-19 policy responses is not lost on people outside the U.S.."

Trust me, it was not lost on a lot of people in the US right now.

"I watched some of Fauci and I fail to see him doing anything other than his level best for the American people, despite deliberate provocation."

Exactly. I could not either.

Colonel Lang,

Sir, it's strange to me that you think Dr Fauci is an "egomaniac ass". Perhaps because the way he speaks to the public? I think most experts talk that way (very confident about the subject but not egoistic).

turcopolier

Mike46

How do you account for the millions and millions of uses against malaria without evidence of heart problems caused by either of the two drugs?

turcopolier

walrus

I am surprised that you resort to talking down to people as Luddites.

chris moffatt6

Didn't this whole scare start with Dr Fauci repeating Andrew Ferguson's ill-founded claims that there would be two million deaths in the US if nothing were done? Hence the lockdowns and 'curve flattening' and mask rules and distancing and hand washing all of which came from the fifty state departments of health and from the governors. Just as all the rules here in Virginia were made by our beloved governor northam and have NOTHING to do with donald trump or the federal government. If you don't approve of how this has all been handled blame your state and local authorities.

As for chloroquine, the NIH back in 2005 itself published a real study of its effectiveness against SARS-1, which it is claimed was more virulent than the current SARS-2. The disdain for this drug and for hydroxychloroquine stems purely from the fact that President Trump claimed (correctly) that these drugs are effective against SARS-2 and immediately caused an apoplectic fit among the media sufferers from Trump Derangement Syndrome; for how could Trump ever say anything that was not ridiculous and completely incorrect?

Fred

Walrus,

"The fact is that some people don’t want to understand the science."
"it is doing exactly what it’s RNA programmed it to do"
It does not, however, appear to be killing people off by the millions. Remind us again of how many people in Australia aged 1 to 21 have died as a result of this virus? How about the US? What is the science behind limiting funerals to ten people, except funerals for George Floyd and John Lewis? Why is attendane on a beach restricted but attendance at a protest not? What is the science behind that?

Bill H

The way to avoid all these wild, erroneous and conflicting predictions would be for the NEWS media to not make predictions at all - to stay with reporting what IS happening rather than printing colorful stories about what is GOING to happen.

Of course, that might not keep the public thoroughly frightened and distracted from that the Washington establishment is doing to them, which is the reason for the wild, erroneous and conflicting predictions.

upstater

The doubters should organize COVID parties to infect one another. Herman Cain showed how it's done. Get that herd immunity thing going for us chicken-littles that believe in COVID. See how well medical care is provided and test if you have any holes in your private insurance coverage.

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