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08 August 2020

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different clue

Bernie will lose every single " this one" step by step. The Catfood Democrats in charge of the convention will go out of their way to humiliate the Berniecrats, the Sanderistas and the Bitter Berners.

I'm not sure how we will end up voting, but . . . we will remember in November.

turcopolier

IMO Biden is devoted to Israel in a simple minded way typical of the man. Trumpy is IMO cynically courting Zionist money and influence and doesn't really give a s--t about Israel.

JM Gavin

COL,
Joe Biden seems to be shifting his stance on many issues. I'm curious why his views on Israel aren't changing. He used to be pro-law enforcement and pro-union; this seems to have changed.

My cynical inner voice is saying "wait a bit, his stance on Israel will change before November."

DOL,

JMG

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"MO Biden is devoted to Israel in a simple minded way typical of the man. Trumpy is IMO cynically courting Zionist money and influence and doesn't really give a s--t about Israel."

Aren't they both courting the money?
Biden doesn't want you to know about it. How naive' of him!
Donald doesn't give a s--t if you know or not.

Offtrail

james, this devotion to israel doesn't just apply every four years in Washington. It applies on practically every day of every year. On the rare day when there's an exception, such as Obama's lame-duck abstention from a 2016 UNSC condemning Israel's occupation, all hell breaks loose.

I believe that the bland American support of Israel regardless of whatever Israel does has contributed to a grave weakening of American support for international law. After all, if it's OK for Israel to attack, invade, occupy other countries then why is it a big deal if we do it?

This bland support of Israel is quietly but heavily enforced by political money and the press.

turcopolier

Mike46

I don't think either of them cares about Israeli money. They are both on a giant ego trip.

Jack

different clue,

Bernie is typical of those who’ve spent decades in DC. When push comes to shove he’s with the establishment. Most recent example being absent on the vote to significantly amend the Patriot Act. His non-voting enabled the status quo of authoritarianism.

blum

IMO Biden is devoted to Israel in a simple minded way typical of the man. Trumpy is IMO cynically courting Zionist money and influence and doesn't really give a s--t about Israel.
Posted by: turcopolier | 08 August 2020 at 02:58 PM

No fan of Biden, but consider me perplexed.

There surely must have been an easily traceable 'Resistance' in the Democratic Party base against US 99% pro-Israel legislation over the last two decades. It never made it unto the upper decision layers, true.

In the GOP too? ... Tea Party GOP resistance was always strong on Defense and Israel.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2011/10/07/strong-on-defense-and-israel-tough-on-china/

But wouldn't those party members maybe 'internationalist socialist (at best) orientation', worse communists, antifa even, maybe?

IMO Biden is devoted to Israel in a simple minded way typical of the man.

You feel if I used my FOIA rights I would find that Biden heavily resisted the Obama admin December 2016 activities, but did not succeed, which then triggered the Flynn and Kushner activities at the UN in Dec. 2016?

different clue

Jack,

I did not know that. That is a disappointment. I gather he has done that on other things too. Perhaps that is what DC does to people.

All I want is a backwards-looking New Deal Reactionary I can vote for! Is that so much to ask?

turcopolier

blum
Obama did not share Biden's enthusiasm for Israel.

Jack

Off-topic. Related to upcoming election.

BREAKING: Trump signs executive orders aiming to extend unemployment benefits, provide a payroll tax holiday, defer student loan payments and extend the federal moratorium on evictions, after talks in Congress collapsed

https://twitter.com/cnbcnow/status/1292202023090360322?s=21

Smart move by Trump. Forces Democrats to campaign against relief for working and middle class. Sue in court that only Congress can tax and spend. Trump can campaign on the point that he’s for the working class.

Yeah, Right

These are arrogant, entitled elites. How do they cope with the congnitive dissonance that comes from this constant and automatic fawning to the Israelis?

After yet another day of bending the knee to a foreign country do they go to bed with the thought: Well, that was humiliating, I feel so dirty.

Or is their last thought before retreating to the Land of Nod this: Gosh, that felt so good, I can't wait to do it again!

I really don't get it.

No matter how much money is in play, shouldn't their natural reaction to the likes of Netanyahu be to grab him by the short and curlies and growl: never forget who's the superpower in this relationship, buddy.

TV

Ever seen Mrs Sanders?

turcopolier

TV
Yes. She is a dumpy little woman who must be at least as far left as he is.

blue peacock

How do they cope with the congnitive dissonance that comes from this constant and automatic fawning to the Israelis?

There's no cognitive dissonance when you're part of the groupthink that pervades your social circle. It is affirmation. This is not about money. It is fear to go against the groupthink and be relentlessly attacked across all channels as an anti-semite and being ostracized from the cocktail circuit.

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