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10 July 2020

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LambeauF

The revolution continues. The tactics never change.

Catholic philosopher Ed Feser (professor, Pasadena City College, CA) has an amazing blog post “The popes against the revolution” where he cites papal encyclicals from late 19th and early 20th centuries condemning every aspect of this revolution we’re currently seeing in America. From the destruction of cultural artifacts being a common tactic of communists to how police protection and punishment of criminals is necessary for social order to how socialism and communism are intrinsically evil.

https://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2020/06/the-popes-against-revolution.html

The Church condemns anarchism and socialist revolution

[A] deadly plague… is creeping into the very fibres of human society and leading it on to the verge of destruction… We speak of that sect of men who, under various and almost barbarous names, are called socialists, communists, or nihilists, and who, spread over all the world, and bound together by the closest ties in a wicked confederacy, no longer seek the shelter of secret meetings, but, openly and boldly marching forth in the light of day, strive to bring to a head what they have long been planning – the overthrow of all civil society whatsoever. (Pope Leo XIII, Quod Apostolici Muneris 1)

[T]he most disastrous national upheavals are threatening us from the growing power of the socialistic movement. They have insidiously worked their way into the very heart of the community, and in the darkness of their secret gatherings, and in the open light of day, in their writings and their harangues, they are urging the masses onward to sedition; they fling aside religious discipline; they scorn duties; they clamor only for rights; they are working incessantly on the multitudes of the needy which daily grow greater, and which, because of their poverty are easily deluded and led into error... (Pope Leo XIII, Graves de Communi Re 21, 25)

Read the rest here: https://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2020/06/the-popes-against-revolution.html

HARRY C

If they're tearing down Frederick Douglass, there's not much left to say about it. Erased, like Carthage.

PRC90

'Slavery is not mentioned'. It would not matter if it was, because the current era Red Guards do not care about slavery or about rewriting history.
Like all socialists or useful idiots they have only an eye on the great and glorious future, or as the delightful Kshama Sawant concisely states .. 'a world based instead on solidarity, genuine democracy, and equality – a socialist world.' To that end the falling statues have included those of emancipationists and Liberals, purely for the purpose of demonstrating the relative powerlessness of stood down law enforcement, rubbing their own willpower in the face of the middle class, and pushing the psychological boundary of normality.
The latter is of great significance to them. After the statues, place names, particular words and designated reactionary organisations are neutralised, they can then begin to enact legislation, in activist Democrat enclaves, once seen as absurd but lately seen as expected and deserving of acquiescence. Have a listen to AOC's thoughts on the matter of this never ending revolution (which we know does end like all revolutions, after various stages of chaos).
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1275633659291136001
'We will not stop'(and then we're going to keep pushing anyway).

turcopolier

PRC 90

Thanks for making my point.

turcopolier

HarryC

Only post once.

Diana Croissant

It's quite embarrsssing and also frightening how stupid and uneducated our supposedly educated young people are.

It's the result of our failing educational systems.

A. Pols

We have a similar Rifleman statue in Charlottesville and the pediment has an inscription "Confederate Soldiers, defenders of States' Rights". Although in downtown Charlottesville's Court Square, it's on Albemarle County property and not subject to Charlottesville's City Council whims.

turcopolier

A. Pols

Is that the one that has "Love makes memory eternal?" inscribed on the base? A French Army friend visiting with his wife read that and wept saying we have nothing like this. At Gettysburg he told his wife on Cemetery Ridge "Le General de Brigade Armistead etait blesse a mort just ici avec sa main sur la bouche d'un cannon." (Brigadier General Armistead was mortally wounded here with his hand on the muzzle of a cannon.)

Jack

Diana,

This could be the problem. Not just schools but attitudes to learning.

https://twitter.com/lanceroberts/status/1281563655784587271?s=21

What percentage of Americans could name all the states, let alone identify them on a map?

chris moffatt

Diana:

after 40 years of the long march through the institutions (look it up) the education system is producing what the marxists who took it over want it to produce. If we can ever start it will be a long road back.

Babak makkinejad

LambeauF

I do not believe that the Catholic Church is sketching out a credible economic program.

Socialism and Communism, in my opinion, are rooted in the ideas and ideals of a (Christian) Commonwealth.

Christian Thinkers abandoned dabbling in economic theory, it seems to me. Pious appeals to charity were useless in 1934 and are equally useless today.

You need men like Bismarck and FDR, who advanced the cause of Commonwealth in Germany and in the United States.

Phillip e Cattar

Loudin County Va,Leesburg,is the birth place of my Great,Great grandfather,William Henry Andrews born in 1811.He married Elizabeth Goff and they moved to Monticello ,Jefferson County Florida in 1833 when it was a territoty.............Both the city and county name was in honor of Thomas Jefferson.............William Henry's first son,my great grandfather,John Slicer Andrews, enlisted in the 50 th Ga Regiment "The Santlla Rangers" in 1862.........This regiment eventually was assigned to the ANV under Lt General James Longstreet.They were involved in the battle of Gettysburg and on July 4th 1863 John Slicer Andrews was captured at Cashtown PA.He spent about 19 months in Union prisons .He died years later of "consumption" which his doctor said was a result of his prison stay..........One of John Andrew's son was responsible for the Florida Legislature to pass a bill giving Confederate widows a penson.

Jack

From a Cuban exile. “Don’t be a useful idiot”

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1281777983557185536?s=21

PRC90

Diana, would that long road back start at the door of the Education Secretary, an appointment currently held by Betsy deVos ? Although the powers of that appointment are limited by the US Constitution, it would seem to be the ideal coordinating office for the redress of the decline that you describe.
Betsy DeVos herself does not seem up to that task, and those who appointed her would not seem to have that intent. She seems a lovely and comfortable sort, devoid of any need to overwhelm those who would at least be ideological opponents.

English Outsider


Colonel - reading the article above, and the comment, I think as I think so often "Is there anywhere he hasn't been and anyone he hasn't met?"

It really is quite important to get those memoirs out.

On the subject of your article above, I'm sorry about those statues and memorials. We live in such bloody silly times.

turcopolier

English Outsider

I see in the Richmond Times Dispatch today that the wokies now running the commonwealth have decided that the way to get the bronze Lee down is to cut him in three pieces.

Barbara Ann

George Santayana's aphorism; "Only the dead have seen the end of war" seems inadequate for a time in which the effigies of soldiers are mutilated. For me, the wokies' lack of respect for the dead betrays their faux concern for the living.

English Outsider


Yes, Colonel. Maybe it's lucky they didn't melt it down and leave only the memory. Erase that too, if they could.

Prince, n'enquerez de sepmaine
Où elles sont, ne de cest an,
Qu'à ce refrain ne vous remaine:
Mais où sont les neiges d'antan!

Rossetti's rendering is too mannered but his translation of the final line has been quoted so often that is has gone beyond cliche. We think now, when we see it employed, of all that is being thrown away and wonder, for what?

Where are those "Snows of Yesteryear" when it comes to your memorials of those bloody conflicts of a century and a half ago?For some, they are faded into a multi-faceted and seldom understood history. For others - not being American I wouldn't know - still maybe giving substance to the tradition they live by. For many, no doubt, no more than an agreeable and picturesque background, a quiet reminder that there was once more to the American scene than derelict shopping malls or the fake splendours of Trump Tower.

England is full of such memorials. They haven't come for the WWI and WWII memorials yet and maybe won't, or won't this time round. But there are thousands and thousands of such statues. Old statues, of ardent young fighters or crusty old generals, as often as not commemorating some past imperial enterprise or other.

There's no ambiguity with most of those statues. That war of which Lee is now a symbol had many causes and many of those causes true and honest; but our memorials of imperial English enterprise, no question, celebrate what today would be called predatory neocon excess. They celebrate the merciless subjugation of other nations and peoples for what seemed at the time to be our profit. And in our Churches there are a million memorials to those who harvested that profit.

Let them be. We need not seek to erase that history to satisfy some temporary craze. Those English memorials can also commemorate heroism past belief. They commemorate those who believed their cause was good and fought for it courageously, and often not as far away in time as those your statues honour. For millions of us they commemorate our grandparents, and their grandparents beyond. We do not remedy ancient wrongs by desecrating their memorials and graves.

turcopolier

EO

There are memorials to our people on your soil. I am thinking of the shrine to US 8th Air Force. And, in France they are everywhere. How long before these are desecrated as well?

Kilo 4/11

I have always regretted that, in all my world travels, there are two great countries I never managed to set foot in: Italy, and the South.

And now it looks like I will never get to see the South.

English Outsider


Colonel - if the organisers have their wits about them they'll go nowhere near that far. I've seen nothing to indicate that they have.

But WWI and WWII cemeteries do get vandalised here and on the continent. As far as I can see that's increasing.

Such random or "casual" vandalism cannot but be encouraged when, at least for many, politically activated vandalism is seen as acceptable. I'm not in any case sure the distinction between those two types of vandalism is that clear during times of mass hysteria.

HARRY C

@ pl
Melt down the pieces & cast into .45 hollow points. Sell to collectors with provenance.

Jack

Bertrand Russell in 1922 on free thought. Has this debate being going on for a while?

When we speak of anything as “free,” our meaning is not definite unless we can say what it is free from. Whatever or whoever is “free” is not subject to some external compulsion, and to be precise we ought to say what this kind of compulsion is. Thus thought is “free” when it is free from certain kinds of outward control which are often present. Some of these kinds of control which must be absent if thought is to be “free” are obvious, but others are more subtle and elusive.

https://users.drew.edu/~jlenz/br-free-thought.html

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