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06 July 2020


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I read that one of the victims listened to the arraignment on the telephone and a woman with a British accent could be heard sobbing and wailing in background and saying "How could this happen? How can this be?" Sounds like she thought she had her stay in NH "wired up."


Is Prince Andrew just a distraction in this case? Given the number of years involved and the number of politicians disgraced, coopted or corrupted during the same time frame he can't be the only one, and certainly doesn't seem to be the most important one.



Your initial instincts now appear correct. I'll explain separately.

blue peacock

IMO, anyone expecting that the plutocrat pedo ring will be busted will be sorely disappointed and is not paying attention to justice in contemporary America!

Sir Epstein was reportedly at the epicenter of a pedo ring for decades. He clearly engaged in all this with impunity for a long while. Including getting a sweetheart deal from the US attorney in Miami who landed up as Trump's Labor Secretary. This indictment is for the period 1994-97 so far. It would imply that Prince Andrew and Dershowitz are off the hook. Also, Virginia Roberts Guiffre's sex trafficking claims are not part of this indictment, while a judge has ordered her to destroy evidence. She also has a defamation case against Ghislaine Maxwell.


Master Slacker

Given the American take on jail permeability, I wonder how long she will survive.


master slacker
All the word wonders. If the Trumpies are serious about this they will hide her in a safe house somewhere surrounded by Trump loyalists.


Makes good summer time beachside reading - lurid and steamy.

Barbara Ann

Robert, thanks for keeping us up to speed with the legal details.

Do you have an opinion on whether count three's mention of co-conspirators may be significant, or the fact that the Public Corruption Unit are handling the case?

Colonel, my first thought when I heard the story of the sobbing woman with a British accent was that it could easily have be staged, so as to give the impression of justice being done. Cynicism is hard to escape in this case, though I try to keep an open mind.

Keith Harbaugh

Can Rbt. Willmann, or somebody else knowledgeable, explain the precise reason a judge is ordering the DESTRUCTION of evidence?
Judges can and do order information be kept under seal.
So why the irreversible step of ordering destruction??
Any references would be appreciated.


We'll find out if Bill Barr is for real or just another swamp creature in sheep's clothing.
Still waiting on the Durham "investigation" and the election is only 4 months away.

English Outsider

Fred - You mention the Duke of York. I don't think he's all there -


"I can’t judge Prince Andrew; we’ve all been young once,” Jordan’s Prince Hassan told an English interviewer. I'm not sure whether that's a barbed comment or not given that the Duke is scarcely in his first youth.

"Andrew is naive and unworldly, a product of the royal bubble." says another scandal sheet. I suspect he may well be innocent of everything except naivety.

Naivety in the Epstein circle could lead to a lot of trouble. I'm surprised the Palace establishment let one of their charges out without a minder. Bit late now.

Ishmael Zechariah

re: "they will hide her in a safe house somewhere surrounded by Trump loyalists"
I and my friends are wondering if there are any "Trump Loyalists" at all in Washington. Are there? Are they effective?
Folks in Turkey are following this story closely. Some have remarked that if anything at all happens to Maxwell, it would indicate that the Federal Republic of the USA is finished as a working polity. I hope she does not die of a heart attack. No one here would believe it.
Ishmael Zechariah

JP Billen

Let's hope the Federal Detention Center in Brooklyn is more secure than the one in Manhattan where Epstein was held.

What about Epstein's other accomplices that helped to recruit underage girls? Maxwell was just one of several.

Wiki entry on Maxwell says that she also associated with Kevin Spacey a self-confessed a$$ bandit. So the question arises, was she also pimping out underage poolboys?


This is a very good read on Ghislaine's options:


I read an interesting point I can't really evaluate on my own, which is that the prosecution is coming out of the FBI's Public Corruption Unit, which is a department specifically designed to deal with issues arising from prosecution of politicians. Reportedly they suss out subtle quid-pro-quos, rarely settle, and indicates there could be more interesting layers to this case.



Looks like they were in good company


Senator Graham won't nominate Clayton:


The fact Graham won't approve Trump's nominee to oversee the case against Ghislaine is very odd.


Anyone who ever appeared in a picture partying with Epstein needs to be questioned up to, and including, POTUS.

But let's start with Cindy McCain.


The Daily Mail (print edition) splashes all over its front page that Christopher Steele (THE Christopher Steele) has now produced another "dossier" claiming that a lot of Britain's top influential people, including politicians, are being bribed by the Chinese company Huawei to support Huawei's involvement in the construction of Britain's 5G.

The BBC reports on the Mail story:

"For its main story, the Daily Mail says the diplomatic war over Huawei's involvement in Britain's 5G network has taken an extraordinary twist, after a dossier accused China of trying to manipulate key establishment figures in the UK to back the telecoms giant.

It says the report, commissioned by a New York film producer, names several prominent individuals, claiming the aim was to make them China's "useful idiots".

The paper says those identified in the report have issued statements strenuously denying knowledge of or involvement in any such operation.

A Huawei spokesman is quoted as saying the company categorically rejects the unfounded allegations, which it says are the latest in a long-running American campaign against it."


(A New York film producer????)

Unfortunately I am banned from The Mail's site just as I am banned from this site so I am unable to provide a web address for the story.


More on the Steele story here:


Charlie Wilson

Does she have an Izzy passport or not? Other passports are worthless.


English Outsider

The prince in question is acting his class - using others because that what they do.

Wodehouse made them look more palatable than they really were.


Ishmael Zechariah


This would not have happened in the United States in 1955, she was a different country then.



Lumping together adult women engaging in prostitution with the sexual abuse of children is, in my opinion, not the most honest way of thinking about these issues. If Prince Andrew had spent a night with a 25 year old call girl that would have been entirely different than what he did.

blue peacock

Ishmael Zechariah,

"They" don't care if the average guy on the street believes anything. "They" have the media control and can spin anything and create enough confusion. Note the reaction to Epstein's death. The average guy believes he was murdered or spirited out, but does it matter.

We also don't know how "clean" Trump's hands are in this affair. He knew Epstein and is photographed with him along wth Melania. What we don't know is if he partook and what he knew about the pedo ring. He is quoted as saying that Epstein enjoyed younger women.

The Epstein case is interesting because of its brazenness and the length of time the pedo ring ran. From the sweetheart deal from the US attorney in Miami, to all those associated with him and the continuation of these activities in the open even after it became known.

My bet is that it will all be buried. Ghislaine may not survive this, precisely because of the fear that at some stage she may spill some of the beans either in a "tell-all" memoir or in an unguarded moment or out of remorse. She will have the opportunity to "spin".

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