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13 July 2020

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BABAK MAKKINEJAD

John from Michigan

Then Michigan cannot be that far behind; both the populations and the number of deaths are very close to each other.

Except that Sweden did not go through a lock down - unlike Michigan.

Yeah, Right

Fred "The Swedes aren't dropping dead in massive numbers from this thing either."

And there are not massive numbers of Swedes, full stop.

But I will point out that no Scandinavian country had "massive numbers" of deaths. Which may suggest that being near the Artic Circle is a great advantage when it comes to avoiding dying from this virus. Or maybe there is something in the Nordic genes that makes them less susceptible.

I don't know, and neither do you.

But one thing I do know is that when you compare Sweden against its neighbour Norway (i.e. a real Apples vs Apples comparison) then the mortality rate for Sweden suddenly does not look at all impressive.

Yeah, Right

Hi Fred, I thought I'd better double-check my figures.

Sweden:
5,545 dead 76,001 cases (7% mortality rate)
5,545 dead 10,343,403 popln (0.05% mortality rate)

Norway:
253 dead 9,001 cases (2.8% mortality rate)
253 dead 5,367,580 popln (0.005% mortality rate)

So if you just look across the entire population then Norway with its lockdown policy did an order of magnitude better than Sweden with its no-lockdown policy.

If you look just the infected then Norway did between two to three times better than Sweden.

Maybe the Norwegian hospital system wasn't being overloaded.

Maybe the Norwegians just have better doctors, possibly the Norwegians are just more inclined to go to the doctor early.

Or perhaps they are just.... fitter and tougher than those weedy Swedes. I don't know.

Look, you can decide that those deaths were worth paying for keeping the economy open. The Swedish government clearly thought so. The Norwegian government clearly did not.

But it looks to me that Sweden's no-lockdown policy came at a price, and the only argument is whether - or not - that is a price worth paying.

(For what it's worth, Sweden's 7% mortality rate translated to the USA data would equate to..... doing the sums now.... 245,000 dead Americans. Which is nearly twice the current figure).

Deap

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President of the United States of America Donald J.. Trump:

.........."At the center of this movement is a crucial conviction: that a nation exists to serve its citizens.

Americans want great schools for their children, safe neighborhoods for their families, and good jobs for themselves.

These are the just and reasonable demands of a righteous public.

But for too many of our citizens, a different reality exists: Mothers and children trapped in poverty in our inner cities; rusted-out factories scattered like tombstones across the landscape of our nation; an education system, flush with cash, but which leaves our young and beautiful students deprived of knowledge; and the crime and gangs and drugs that have stolen too many lives and robbed our country of so much unrealized potential.

This American carnage stops right here and stops right now.

We are one nation – and their pain is our pain. Their dreams are our dreams; and their success will be our success. We share one heart, one home, and one glorious destiny.

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