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25 July 2020

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blum

Imagine that,

the US has the superior intelligence by back engeniering superior intelligence from outer space? May have? Such?

If so, we surely don't need to bother that any other foreign earthlinga steels our wisdom. Theoretically?

walrus

While this is delightful speculation, I have to remind people that negative evidence is not positive evidence of UFOs. Just because some Astrophysicist can’t understand how something was created doesn’t mean anything. He does astrophysics not materials science, why, he may not even be able to tie his shoelaces.

However I do have my suspicions; Oakley sunglasses are made from “Unobtainium” - a sure giveaway, as is Kevlar, Velcro, Carbon fibre and of course Teflon. It’s no secret that DuPont has a research lab in Area 51.

Eric Newhill

Maybe they are using some of that alien tech to start all those fires in Iran.

blum

Maybe they are using some of that alien tech to start all those fires in Iran.
Posted by: Eric Newhill | 25 July 2020 at 04:44 PM

That's what you voted him for? Tear up the Iran-whoever-US treaty? And then use covert means beyond the known ones to get Iran down on its knees begging for mercy... Yes, no doubt he somewhat suggested he would be better than anyone before on covert matters.


Thus, why not ...

Fred

I was hoping this was just a news release to cover for the discovery that the Shalnuksis' were gathering up some reinforcement to send to Rick Galloway on Tran to keep their lucartive yet secret agricultural project going.

Babak makkinejad

Eric Newhill

May be they are using those alien technology to dumb down the Americans.

Seems to be working.

kodlu

Interesting Correction on the NYT webiste: July 24, 2020

An earlier version of this article inaccurately rendered remarks attributed to Harry Reid, the retired Senate majority leader from Nevada.

Mr. Reid said he believed that crashes of objects of unknown origin may have occurred and that retrieved materials should be studied; he did not say that crashes had occurred and that retrieved materials had been studied secretly for decades.

An earlier version also misstated the frequency with which the director of national intelligence is supposed to report on unidentified aerial phenomena. It is 180 days after enactment of the intelligence authorization act, not every six months.

Seanmcbride

I read Corso's book when it was first published. Some things JJA said made me think it shouldn't be automatically dismissed as a flight of fancy. This entire subject is baffling -- and possibly of the utmost importance.

Yeah, Right

I find this sort of commentary to be so...narrowminded.

If it is true (and I don't necessarily accept this) that the USA have examples of material of extraterrestrial origin then this has huge and global implications.

It is earth-shattering in its consequences.

And what does the USA do with that information?

Well, apparently it says "yipeee" and attempts to gain whatever military advantage it can derive from that knowledge.

As I said: narrowminded.

JohninMK

Given that the US, plus presumably its vassals, covers only a proportion of the Earth's land mass, there could well be other countries also in possession of similar/different artifacts.

Maybe this is why the US has not been able to replicate the RD-180 rocket metallurgy.

Whatever it was, it doesn't seem so far to have been significant enough for anyone to have helped them gain world dominance.

Barbara Ann

Yeah, Right

Do you suppose the Chinese, Russians or anyone else would not first seek to apply any new technology to military uses? War is the primary driver of technology and better ways to kill off the competition will always be of the highest priority. I suspect this iron law to be consistent throughout the cosmos.

I can imagine a peaceable galactic civilization which eschews war, instead using its technology solely for the betterment of its population. Sharing its technology with other civilizations so as to improve their lot too would be natural for such kindly beings. It would then come as a great surprise that the first warlike civilization to successfully weaponize the technology would arrive one day as their exterminators.

J. Casey

Nice to see Corso get a positive nod, and not run through the mud.

Leith

Did you ever meet or work with Corso? I assume he retired long before you were at DIA. But perhaps later?

Garret

I believe I submitted a lengthy comment to this article yesterday. If so, I made an error in suggesting the average distance between stars in our galaxy is 1200 light years. That was an average for the universe (which has since been greatly expanded in recent estimates). The average for the Milky Way is only 5 light years. This is an immense distance anyway. The closest star system, Alpha Centauri B, was since discovered to have a planet. It is 4.24 light years away and could take roughly 142,000 years by one estimate to reach under current technology. My apologies.

akaPatience

Well, if the NYT published the story it MUST be true, no?

I could easily believe alien beings introduced poutine-topped hamburgers in an effort to kill off earthlings.

turcopolier

leith

Never met him. Saw him on TeeVee. Hard to see how a Lt Col could have as much power as he said he had. But he may have been an exception.

Mark Logan

aka Patience,

It's possibly they wished to make the sprinkling of certain forms of technology appear to be accidental. A wonderful way to study forms of life would be to introduce methods of communication and information storage which can be monitored. There would've been great celebration the day the first comm sat showed up in earth orbit. High fives...or whatevers...all around.

turcopolier

akapatience

I caution you as well against talking down to me. You remind me of the blond cutie on "The Five." Perino. She is so blinkered that she thinks the space program is and has always been completely worthless and a waste of money. She says the things we send into space are worthless. She also refuses to believe the evidence presented by navy videos of engagements with flying objects. A cute dimwit.

Yeah, Right

Barbara Ann, nowhere do I suggest that the Chinese or the Russians would be any less blinkered where the opportunity to present itself (which, for all you or I know, it has).

But this reminds me of the parable of the one-eyed man in a world of blind people.

Blinkered is blinkered is blinkered, and pointing out that everyone is wearing blinkers is not a very persuasive retort.

Clueless Joe

Like JohninMK said, I wonder how often such off-world ships crash on Earth. If the US has such a headstart and benefit so much, this would be very rare, unless the US actually monitors the world so closely it can reach the crash sites first. But if this occurred often, then USSR (and now Russia+China) would have had access to some and have reverse-engineered some techs as well; they're not worse than America when it comes to that.

Mark Logan:
Something like this could be possible. An old and highly advanced galactic civilization that leaves around some bits and stuff of tech so that newcoming emerging spacefaring races would find them and use them, developing along lines designed and planned for by the older more advanced civilization - which eventually will be able to monitor their progress of the younger ones, then more easily attack, harvest and cull them - is the key premise of the Mass Effect video game franchise. And the first version of Arthur C Clarke's 2001 was also similar: the obelisk on the Moon was a warning beacon that was designed to signal to the galactic civilization that left it there that it was time to come and destroy Earth's civilization as soon as it could take to the stars - this being a trick used all across the Milky Way to get rid of any future competition.

Barbara Ann

My suspicion is that any visiting aliens will be indistinguishable from their technology - i.e. they are highly unlikely to be squishy, perishable life forms and far more likely to be space-faring robots of some kind.

The argument comes down to time and distance, as @Garret points out above. Even if one is able to travel at near light speed, interstellar/interplanetary travel takes years and intergalactic travel hundreds of thousands of years at least. The latter is an evolutionary timescale.

If the whole civilization is on the move, their spacecraft will surely be rather larger than the craft which seemingly appear in traditional UFO sightings - tho I guess we could have experienced scouting ships as the aliens pass us by.

Communication is the other barrier to maintaining any sort of interstellar civilization. A return message to Proxima Centauri from Earth takes 8.5 years. Kinda hard to keep track of the neighbors when all news is years, decades or more out of date.

On the off chance that aliens exist with the capability to communicate & travel faster than light (wormholes or some such) I expect any contact we may have with magical beings of this kind would be a very brief and very final experience (for us).


Yeah, Right

I would argue that the blinkered/blind thinkers are the pacifists & utopians who do not recognize & accept that war is a cosmic fact of life and that civilizations with superior military technology will always exterminate others, in Darwinian fashion. Non-military uses for technology are of course great, but first one needs to ensure that one survives to develop them.

Tactitus

In A. Scott Berg's biography of Lindbergh, there's a small tidbit of how the first rocket to pierce the world's atmosphere took place near Area 51 (as it subsequently became). If you were an advanced civilization, would you be scanning planets for that very activity?

Christian J. Chuba
"It is 4.24 light years away and could take roughly 142,000 years by one estimate to reach under current technology. - Garret"
We are already experimenting with quantum physics which exceeds the speed of light even if we have not determined if there is an upper limit. We have speculated about artificial wormholes perhaps there are other means to break the speed of light limitation.

If the accounts are true and not part of our psychological warfare against countries like Iran, the such craft could be unmanned probes would help increase exploration range. Eliminating requirements for life support really helps and could explain some of the taxing maneuvers that have been described.

Being a cynic, the fact that the Pentagon is willing to tell us about it leans me towards the psychological warfare option. Just being honest.

Polish Janitor

very intriguing indeed

As you also noted, it is equally interesting for me that the Navy Intelligence is presiding over this ongoing UFO issue. I wonder when and how the new Space Force would react to the new wave of verified UFO developments...

Several things that crossed my mind that I think are worth considering are:

1. Marco Rubio's interesting and sorta strange reaction to the 'mysterious un-Earthly vehicle' that explicitly connected it to China or broadly-speaking giving observers a 'food for thought' with regards to China's possible connection to these

2.China's recent Mars orbiter launch, with Colonel Lang covered here on SST

3.During the Cold War President Reagan had a famous 1987 UNGA speech where he said the following: "I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world. And yet, I ask you, is not an alien force already among us? What could be more alien to the universal aspirations of our peoples than war and the threat of war?" (1)


4. I wonder if there are geopolitical and political elements to this as well. I mean, beyond the extra-terrestrial aspects and more with respect to the new Cold War with China.

5. IMO the best piece of evidence regarding the Alien tech research and the military's involvement is Bob Lazar and his detailed first-hand account of working in Area 51 during in the 80s.

6. The still ongoing UFO sightings in Nebraska, Colorado, Utah and Wyoming and so far no answer and explanation by the local, state and federal authorities. The sightings began in late last year and the epicenter appears to be in Colorado and confirmed reports vary from 194 to 1873 (2) (3). These are not made-up numbers and are 100% real.

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Footnotes:

(1): https://www.reaganlibrary.gov/research/speeches/092187b
(2):https://www.5280.com/2020/06/5-weird-alien-sightings-in-colorado/

(3):https://patch.com/colorado/across-co/1800-ufo-sightings-colorado-so-far-2019-what-they-saw

turcopolier

All

IMO DoD is responding to the growing mass of evidence of UFO reality and the concomitant loss of credibility in the long standing effort to hide what the government knows about the phenomenon.

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