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02 July 2020

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TV

"The so-called intelligence officers, the faux journalists and the craven politicians are putting our nation at risk by spreading a lie and smearing Donald Trump."
Who they hate more - Trump or America?

blue peacock

Larry,

Is it possible that the "Russian bounty" story was ginned up to prevent the withdrawal from Afghanistan and Germany?

https://theintercept.com/2020/07/02/house-democrats-working-with-liz-cheney-restrict-trumps-planned-withdrawal-of-troops-from-afghanistan-and-germany/

Looks like Liz Cheney and the Democrats are working together to put a kibbosh on withdrawal.

When it comes to intelligence-law enforcement-military affairs we should always look to domestic politics as it may provide better answers.

CK

When peace occurs, promotions stop. Without a battlefield officers must find other ways to move up the ladder. I think the colonel covers this quite accurately in his Artists and Bureaucrats paper.

Christian J. Chuba

A question to my betters (no sarcasm intended). The NYT is trying to shore up its story by stating

“Russia’s complicity in the bounty plot came into sharper focus on Tuesday as the The New York Times reported that American officials intercepted electronic data showing large financial transfers from a bank account controlled by Russia’s military intelligence agency to a Taliban-linked account.”

Given that electronic transfers of USD are traceable, how likely is it that GRU would do this vs physically carrying a payment into Afghanistan? To carry $1M you just need a single stack of $100 bills 43 inches long. By land you have Iran and Uzbekistan a former Soviet Republic. If they used a passenger jet they could fly in from almost anywhere.

To do a wire transfer GRU would have to be (falsely) confident that their source account was very well disguised, something like a successful bakery in Pakistan. I can't believe they would use an account from a bank in Russia, that would be too obvious.

I don't believe the story, just asking about the plausibility of using a wire transfer.

Keith Harbaugh

Couldn't agree with you more.

For some historical perspective from someone who really knew a lot about pre-2003 Afghanistan, see Michael Scheuer's third "Pillar of Truth" about Afghanistan: "Afghans Cannot Be Bought" from his 2004 "Imperial Hubris":

https://kwharbaugh.blogspot.com/2005/03/afghanistan-michael-scheuers-view.html#p-3

J

The real story is how long Epstein's Mossad partner Maxwell lives before the contract on her demise is fulfilled. Look how long Epstein lived in Federal custody. The clock is ticking.

jose

Larry, how corrupt are our intelligence agencies when Schiff is briefed on this matter and not the President?

To me its looks like an attempted second impeachment scam coordinated with House Dems.

https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2020/07/02/report-trump-wasnt-briefed-on-unverified-russian-bounty-intel-but-adam-schiff-was-and-hid-it/

Yeah, Right

I note that nobody in the comments section of the NYT article ever asks the obvious question, the one that Larry Johnson zeroed in on very quickly.

This one: if Afghanistan is now awash with cash as a result of "Russian bounties" on dead GIs then where and when were those GIs killed?

After all, of necessity one is the other side of the coin to the other.

The more money there is in Afghanistan then, logically, the more successful the Taliban must have been in collecting those bounties. Even though they haven't been very successful at all.

This story is such a crock.

Larry Johnson

Jose,
Your instincts are sound. This is the best they can come up with to try to create a new crisis for Trump.

FakeBot

It's another leak to sabotage Trump, except now the saboteurs are getting less creative and more lazy.

ancientarcher

Very well written!

But as you can see from the example of our very own TTG, logic rarely convinces people who are motivated by hatred, either hatred of Trump or their hatred of Russia. And this particular emotion has been used by the democrats to carry out their agenda even when out of power.

The young 'uns have been manipulated thru their hatred of Trump to carry out a campaign of riots that will eventually lead to the destruction of their own society and country. Those who are motivated by hatred of Russia are also on such a path though that kind of potential destruction will come suddenly and probably take all humanity with it.

The biggest beneficiary of all these are the ones instigating it - the democrats. They have been masterful at generating hatred thrrough their control of the MSM and thereby the narrative and subsequently using that hatred for their own ends. This narrative of Russian operatives paying Taliban to kill American soldiers though without a shred of evidence and so faithfully reported by the democrat owned/supporting MSM is another attempt to generate hatred amongst the masses.

Is it too much to ask those with hatred in their hearts to look at the truth? History shows that is indeed the case and these people will continue to be manipulated for ends they neither understand nor benefit from. God show them the light, and us mercy!

Kilo 4/11

@Larry Johnson
Apart from the veracity or lack thereof of the "bounty money" story, your putting the lives of our soldiers on the same plane, and apparently at the same value, as the lives of ghetto rats is effing disgusting. Big time ex-CIA tough guy, my ass - you're just another clueless bleeding heart lib.

You’re good at calling people retarded. What’s retarded is your thinking that Russia would choose to kill our homegrown African terrorists instead of highly trained American troops. If anything, Russia would like to find a way to fund these animals that you are so concerned for.

And I'd like to see you confront the families of the three thousand dead and twelve thousand maimed Ukrainian servicemen defending Donbas with your lie that Russia is no wolf.

turcopolier

kilo 4/11

What happens to your argument if the story is not true, just one of the thousands of rumor grade "informations" floating around? What if it is just Democrat disinformation? "Kilo 4/11?" Once upon a time marine artilleryman?

Deirdre O´Sullivan

It´s just projection...

https://twitter.com/ActualidadRT/status/1279067876641722374

Kilo 4/11


Colonel,

As I said at the beginning of my comment, whether the bounty story is true or not is not my main concern. Although, now that I think of it, some of the arguments raised above don't really prove the story false. “The Taliban can't be bought”; the Taliban will kill for free; if the Taliban have been paid lots of money, where are all the dead G.I.s? These are hardly airtight arguments. Has no one heard of "take the money and run"? And to dismiss Russian bank transfers to Taliban accounts as just "proceeds from heroin" - well, excuse me, but that sounds like hostile action to me. If the Russians wanted to help end the Taliban threat they wouldn't let them use their banking system, would they?

But my main objection was and remains the use of domestic black murder stats in a discussion of American armed forces casualties. This is to cheapen the sacrifices of our servicemen and women. The two don't belong on the same page. And bringing up how homicidal blacks are to one another is how weak-kneed conservatives and some liberals always try to take the heat off the police and Whites in general whenever a black gets shot by a cop - as if that matters to the likes of BLM/antifa, when all they want is to undermine law and order so they can continue to destroy our society.

“Once upon a time marine artilleryman?” Are you trying to make me feel old, or are you unsure of my identity, or are you calling attention to the fact that I’m not one of the lofty retired spooks around here? When you asked me about my nick a couple of years back, you said that it sounded like one of those long range recon units. And I informed you that no, I was the guy who answered the radio and took down coordinates when the grunts and recon units called arty for help - remember?

A.I.S.

Moscow grapevine has it that the payments transfer was because the Talebs went after ISIS Afghans branch, somewhat by accident allegedly, and the Russians thought it hilarious to amplifiy Islamist internal division division by semi publicly paying the Talebs for it.

Now, paying the Taleban to go after the local ISIS branch is something the Russians would definitly do. They did the equivalent of it like, during the entirety of the second Chechen war, which is how they ended up flipping a lot of Chechens.

Unsure if the Russians will ever turn the Taleban into Khadyrov Clan 2.0.

turcopolier

kilo 4/11

no. I don't remember. I understand your irritation at the way LJ made the comparison. In a closed hearing I told Steve Solarz much the same thing as an objection to something he had said. He threatened me with Contempt of Congress and the Director of DIA chewed my a-s when I got back to the building. So, I understand.

Karen Weiss

What a great piece how come I can't share on facebook

turcopolier

Karen Weiss

No idea what you are talking about.

Kilo 4/11

@turcopolier

"no. I don't remember."

Yep, happens. I don't remember why I made most of the major decisions in my life!

Thanks for your reply, sir.

turcopolier

kilo 4/11

No. I am not Joe Biden.

A.I.S.

Moscow lede is shifting a bit.

Informed take now is that it was about drugs. Russian services (apparently not GRU, but other agencies, US intel is apparently not that great in figuring out who is who when Russian intel is concerned, but this is hardly news) paid Taleban to go after poppy fields which were exlusively exporting to the CIS (which Russia is obviously disapproving of).
Some of these poppy owners had previously purchased protection from the Afghan government (propably true) and maybe from US intel (perhaps? how would the US verify that they only export to CIS, which would likely be a condition for protection), or who believed that they purchased US protection but did so from fraudulent sources (highly likely, lots of fraud in the protection money market, or they purchased US non interference but thought they had purchased US protection).

The Talebs did burn some poppy fields, and established themselfs as "protectors" of some other ones, and all was fine as far as the Talebs and the Russians were concerned, until some recently dispossesed poppy field afficionados ginned up the bounty allegation in cooperation with their "protectors" Afghan government.

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