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07 June 2020

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turcopolier

Re

"Remember when Obama cleaned out the Generals, retiring those not sufficiently SJW for the new military" I don't actually remember that. Remind me..

Bobo

Grocery store prices are skyrocketing, gasoline is getting us back over $2.00, the car & house insurance policies are sure to be up big time as well as the real estate taxes. Somebody has to pay these new costs created by those Peaceful Protestors. Guess when Tony Fauci says we have to stay home for two months or so we will take him off the stage as 20+ million out of work staying at home really gets them riled up just waiting for a martyr like George Floyd to light the fuse.
Now Antifa+ have been training for the past few years out in Portland, Oregon and Seattle getting ready for the big time we have seen recently.
Now all these Joint Terrorism Task Forces, FBI and other federal agencies seem to have been caught flat footed without a clue. Just look at the two lawyers, schooled on our dime, driving through Brooklyn stopping and dropping Molotov cocktails into empty police cars, who would of known Community Board members etc.
So we have been relying on the good old National Guard as the backstop thinking if they fail well the 82nd airborne will come to the rescue. Oops those perfumed prices are a little gun shy, sure hope the troops are not, they came to the rescue in 1968 and numerous other time. They will have a hard time getting any more money out my government.
Folks, it’s going to be a long hot summer so sit back, stock up on groceries, supplies and a few sheets of plywood may come in handy and when your out stop by the gun shop and stock up as who knows what’s coming down the road.
As for the upcoming election it looks like McGovern will be bested.

Artemesia

Upstater wrote: "I am very skeptical there is any meaningful organization or funding of the anarchists.
I think that is an incorrect assumption.

1. Two young women mentioned in this comment https://tinyurl.com/ybx32x5b
organized protests in over a dozen cities in three counties and DC. Both are connected to AIPAC and ADL, two of the wealthiest and most powerful organizations in USA, with global reach.
That's just two people I know about; it's not unreasonable to assume there are "Samantha Subins" and "Sarah Fishkinds" in multiple other states in USA.

2. This video is from a BLM protest at Bethesda public library in center of Bethesda.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgnhuyW9C6A&feature=emb_logo
In the aftermath of Charlottesville, I took part in a "Sensitivity" workshop at a nearby Episcopal church and conducted by the DC Episcopal diocese -- the one that Bp. Mariann Budde heads. Several nationally known media figures as well as a number of former foreign service workers are members of the church. The workshop was created in collaboration with ADL. Participants at the workshop behaved exactly as you see the crowd behaving in the video: (in my opinion) abasing themselves and acquiescing to demand to "apologize for their privilege" as I experienced first hand.

3. That same Episcopal church and over two dozen other churches in the DC-MD-VA area, of many denominations, organized by ADL, signed onto a letter opposing the issuance of a permit to the organizers of the failed Charlottesville Unite the Right (UtR) rally, to speak in Washington, DC. The permit was issued nevertheless, but once again, ADL organized buses, caravans and people far outnumbering the UtR attendees, and also managed to block UtR speakers from being able to travel to the event they had scheduled. UtR's attempt to speak at their permitted event was wrecked; the opposition organized by ADL was triumphant and participating churches were jubilant. These are powerful forces, and wealthy. They are the same people that were happily led to denounce White Privilege at the Bethesda library yesterday.

ADL rules. Episcopal, Catholic, Methodist, Baptist, even Buddhist congregations comply with moral certitude. And money.

The BLM campaign is a very sophisticated media and organizing affair. Soros & whatever Antifa is may be involved, but if so, the whole is far more than Soros and Antifa. Except for the sound stage, the BLM in DC had all the media & organizational elements and more, of the Women's March on the day after Trump's inauguration. As my comment linked above states, one of the Maryland organizers was from the Parkland demonstrations. Do you remember how slick and well-funded that campaign was? School children had millions of dollars at their disposal. They built on that 'rolodex' and experience.

When AIPAC comes to DC for its annual bash, various groups, i.e. representing Palestinians, attempt to stage a counter-protest against AIPAC. It's usually pathetic, but it's also patrolled by "JDL" -- Jewish Defense League -- young toughs trained to infiltrate the crowd, intimidate, cause mischief, occasionally cause physical harm. They wear black clothing and balaclavas, have an organizational structure of their own. It is thought that they train at Kiryas Joel, an all-Jewish town in Orange County, New York, not too far from the adjacent estates of the Morgenthaus and FDR's Hyde Park.
It's not unlikely that JDL played a role in some of the protests in New York, DC and elsewhere.

All of this is, of course, in addition to the acknowledged fact that ADL trains US police AS WELL AS FBI and has done so for decades.
Partnering with Law Enforcement
https://www.adl.org/who-we-are/our-organization/signature-programs/partnering-with-law-enforcement

"More law enforcement turn to ADL than to any other non-governmental organization for training, information and resources—to combat extremism, terrorism and hate crimes. ADL works with every major federal, state and local law enforcement agency, from the Federal Bureau of Investigation to major city police departments, state police, highway patrol and sheriffs’ departments. Over the past decade, we have trained 150,000 law enforcement personnel—at no cost to taxpayers. "

That ADL and other major Jewish groups enjoy close relationship with FBI and most police forces was forthrightly stated in a Feb. 2019 panel discussion hosted by Jewish Council for Public Affairs at which Amy Spitalnick, the director of then-newly organized Integrity First for America; former FBI agent Cynthia Dietle, now advocating for the LGBTQ community; and Doron Ezickson, Director of the Washington Office of ADL, discussed the efforts of their organizations to enact policies among all police forces as well as already-on-board FBI to classify certain acts, for example, such as marking a swastika on a synagogue, as Hate Crimes, in order to enable far harsher penalties, even to categorize as an act of terror, what might otherwise be simple vandalism.
Spitalnick's 501c3 organization now has a $10million war chest for its current project: civil prosecution of participants in the Charlottesville Unite the Right rally, with the state goal of "crushing," "bankrupting," and "silencing" them. https://www.c-span.org/video/?457758-1/countering-anti-semitism-racism-xenophobia

Don't look to the FBI for help; they are compromised.

For an indication of ADL & associated Jewish groups' ability to cause timbers to shiver (see Walrus's article), this morning Sean Smoot, formerly with Obama's Task Force 21st Century Policing, appeared on C Span to discuss police - community relations. A member of the audience asked whether it was true that "US police are trained in Israel or by Israelis." Smoot said he had no knowledge of any such relationship. https://www.c-span.org/video/?472702-3/washington-journal-sean-smoot-discusses-police-community-relations&event=472702&playEvent&auto

optimax

Seventy-six years to the day white men stormed the beaches of Normandy to free the world of fascism blacks and whites together stormed the NY Macy's for free Nikes. Call this Operation Underworld.

TV

Just saw Admiral Mike Mullen on TV saying that US forces are to defend the nation against it's enemies, never against it's own citizens.
Mullen apparently thinks that antifa (and associates) are just peachy people, certainly not "enemies."
He seems to be a reasonably well spoken and very average kind of man.
How did HE get 4 stars?
The corruption hypothesized by Walrus?

turcopolier

upstater

A "formal, written order" is not required. We do not ask our commanders for formal written orders.

Tidewater

Bill Wade,

I understand your feelings about this, but there are about six steps used by riot troops, from arms at sling with magazines in pouches and bayonets in scabbards on belt, to arms at port with magazines inserted and bayonets without scabbards, which are done in such an ominous, clashingly loud, and deliberate manner, that a rioter has every opportunity to get it into his brain that this trip is going jive-ass bad for real. I suspect you probably know this, but it still needs to be said.

As to the statements of the DC mayor, I thought that Washington, D.C. was still legally designated as the Military District of Washington(MDW).

Big trouble in DC has happened before in my lifetime. I know that in early 1963 (the year in which JFK would be killed on November 22) drills for major disturbances in the District were undertaken at the small airbase once known as 'Bolling' on the edge of the Potomac at the point where the Anacostia river flows into it, a base that is now known as Joint Base Anacostia-Bolling. Since the DIA was headquartered there, I assume Col. Lang knows it well.

During the summer of 1963, a few companies of marines from Quantico and paratroopers from Ft. Benning, having gone through lectures on the law of riot control, and riot control training, including going into a tear-gas chamber, were then, to run through how the ops plan would look, briefly deployed to Bolling. Here they spent a day or two practicing various shoulder to shoulder formations used to control rioters. They were returned in 1964 for further training. In short, the powers-that-be anticipated trouble. The plan was known as MDW Operation Plan 563-1 (CABIN GUARD). I assume the title of the plan stemmed from the Army's historical respect for traditions that reach back all the way to Jacksonian democracy. ;)

Part of this little known story is reported on in "The Role of Federal Military Forces in Domestic Disorders, 1945-1992" by Paul J. Scheips, which gives an intriguing and unusual look, from the government's point of view, at operations in places like Little Rock, Detroit, and Washington, D.C., in those turbulent years of school desegregation and the riots following the murder of Martin Luther King in 1967.

As Scheips tells us, CABIN GUARD plans were updated to CABINET MAKER and ultimately to DRAGON WING, which was the ops plan put into effect for the Mobe. The policy discussions and plans were aimed at a "maximum application of manpower and minimum application of force."

"The planners wanted an early alert and assembly of National Guard and active duty forces in the District of Columbia. Although the measure might provoke trouble [because being in part hidden, though the convoys from Quantico previously in '63/64 had gone in during broad daylight] "it would save four to six hours if a troop call-up became necessary." And the call-up was deemed necessary to happen simultaneously, and not sequentally, to the call-up of the National Guard. The first echelon of Regular Army and Marine forces, designated TASK FORCE INSIDE, totalled about 5,000. The second, designated TASK FORCE 101, included up to 15,000 troops. The designation 101 was given because it was made up of much of the 101st Airborne Division. The commanding officer of TASK FORCE WASHINGTON was to be Lt. General Jonathan O. Seaman, who was at that time the head of the First Army, Ft. Meade, Maryland.

As you can imagine, I am only touching ever so lightly on this big story and a lot of it never made it into the press at that time. By October 19, 1967, after years of contingency planning, it all paid off. This was when the 'Mobe', also dubbed 'The March on the Pentagon', rolled into town. And turned into "a big picnic with political overtones" at which nobody got hurt, though some of the young wimmnz behaved in such Dionysian ways, painting themselves with bull's blood etc., that it is a shame that Alma Tadema could not have been there to paint them, as well...

The Army's after action report is somewhere on the internet, but I have misplaced it, or the internet has misplaced me. The senator from Maryland, Charles McCurdy Mathias, a super guy I always admired, and a former naval officer, was driven through the night in a jeep with some of the leaders, on an inspection tour of the troops, from position to position, before the dangerous morrow. After returning to a command post, an officer asked him what he thought about what he had seen. 'How do we look to you, sir?' Machias's response was duly noted in the after action report. He said, simply: "Superb."

I would find it incredible if there were not already plans like CABIN GUARD now in the works, which will now be fine-tuned over the summer. Troops will be surely be back at Bolling.

Who knows, maybe they were just there?

elaine

blue peacock

You asked, "...are there any counter forces to the antifa machinary"
Out in the Portland Seattle area The Proud Boys like to rumble with the antifa crowd (not that street brawls are a good answer to anything) & it appears most citizens of the area view the Proud Boys as dumb peckerwoods & silently support antifa

jonst

Bill Wade, let us hope no one ever orders the US Military (how we're defining that term is meaningful here") into the 'streets', but let us recall it HAS been done before. Shays Rebellion, again how we define federal forces is relevant. The Draft riots of 1863 in New York. Veteran's Bonus March in 1931 where Mac and Ike saw 'action'. Little Rock Ark in 1957, 82nd Airborne......so lets not act this has never been done before. Let us fervently hope it never has to happen again. But lets not pretend Trump is the first President to contemplate such use. Because that is simply, another falsification of history and law with regard to Trump. Who I don't support by the way for reasons the Col has outlined here with regard to other matters.But I don't want to hear of the White House being looted and burned down. Again.

English Outsider


Poor Blacks. From the videos I've seen some already know they're being used. And those don't like it. But the appeal of the slogans and the excitement of mass protest is enough to keep most of them on board.

For me the video of a London police officer unable to control her horse struck home. She was swept off the horse by a tree branch or some other obstacle and the horse bolted off into the far distance. Viciously quick and she must have been hurt, landing on the paved surface. I've been thrown once or twice myself and for that brief half-second it's just a tumbling disorientated blur. But never like that. Apparently the protesters had been throwing bricks at the horse, though that was not shown. That was what had caused it to bolt.

Odd that that one small incident, amid all the mayhem here and in the States, should be what sticks in the mind. When it's all over there'll be the usual dreary procession through the Magistrates Courts. I hope the man who threw a brick at a horse is among them.

Barbara Ann

TV

I wonder what Mike Mullen thinks the "and domestic" part of his oath means, or indeed whether rioters storming the WH with the intent of toppling the elected government might not require him to "defend the Constitution". IMO Trump needs to ask these questions of all his top military in positions of power - both serving and retired - and get rid of the ones who give the wrong answers.

turcopolier

Barbara Ann

I went to all the service schools from the Lt. course to the Army War College. The upper level ones are all by invitation only. The higher the level the more I became convinced that they should not be teaching all these hyper-ambitious people so much about international and national politics. The justification was that we would have to participate in national policy discussions, but the downside is that these senior military students start to think like politicians. You see the result.

turcopolier

jonst

Yes. 14 times since the end of the Indian Wars.

turcopolier

Tidewater

MDW is the Army command for units and activities in the Washington area. It is not the government of DC.

David Habakkuk

Barbara Ann,

Absolutely. No sane being likes the idea of bringing in the military to suppress rioters, but sometimes it has to be done, and failure to do it promptly and effectively can lead to catastrophe.

And, insurrections in capital cities have had a way of turning out badly, for most of those concerned.

In deciding when and how to use armed force, a President really does need to be rely upon the best possible military advice. And he has to able to be absolutely confident that those he turns to recognise that, under the Constitution of the United States, the ultimate decisionmaker is him.

BillWade

Thanks Tidewater, Jonst

I appreciate it, there's a lot I don't know but at least now I know that Col Lang is right and there needs to be a meeting of minds regarding this important matter.

Eric Newhill

EO,
Many police horses have been deliberately injured here in the US. At least one pleasure riding horse was killed when rioters threw fire bombs into it trailer as the owner attempted to drive away after being caught up in the rioters due to a blocked road. There is a video of the owner desperately driving away while the trailer burns and the horse screams. Made my blood boil.I would have shot the rioters if I's been there.

My wife and I used to breed and break thoroughbreds for the race track. I was galloping one of the youngsters one day and my girth broke while we were taking a turn. Yep, confusion, impact, shock and then pain. All in a blur.

turcopolier

David Habakkuk

In my father's time, it was the custom that soldiers and officers on active duty did not vote because they were politically neutral servants of the constitution.

Tidewater

Colonel Lang,

During 1963, there was a discreet operation planned for the military to identify and arrest certain members of the Washington D.C. government and counterculture. It was reviewed at some level, and countermanded.

If the government of the District of Columbia does not cooperate fully with the equivalent of TASK FORCE WASHINGTON this summer, I am certain that there will be martial law in the District, and the D.C. government will be arrested and put into a detention camp. That is what I meant about the city still being a military district.

I expect that thousands of federal troops and members of the National Guard will be going through riot control training this summer.

I am not claiming that I have any inside information. It's just common sense and a limited knowledge of recent history.

As to Richmond, this could be the moment when the city finally defined itself, once and for all, as a black ghetto. People forget, Richmond is landlocked. It will never get any larger.

optimax

English outsider

The policewoman's horse spooked because the BLM protesters threw stuff at it. It ran when hit by a bicycle. Early videos show this but the later edited ones do not. The teevee is not reality.

The protests and riots are a manufactured outcome, a conditioned response, from years of media manipulation, identity politics and critical theory taught in our schools. The truth is police kill more unarmed whites than blacks. But Black Lies Matter in the long run.

This year Oregon passed a law that schools have to spend a week teaching about the holocaust. I asked an eighth grade history teacher how he approached the subject and he said he spent the week on the American-Indian genocide. A slow build. Like you, Col., I think of it as the Indian Wars. Also, I think of the holocaust as a part of WWII, the latter subject teachers gloss over.

It's safer to wear an antifa sweatshirt in Portland than a MAGA hat.

Barbara Ann

Artemesia

I was not familiar with Kiryas Joel, so I took a look at its wiki - a fascinating read: A community of Yiddish-speaking Hasidim with by far the lowest median age of any US municipality (and a phenomenal pop. growth rate) in which 46% speak English "not well" or "not at all". This part caught my attention for some reason:

"..the village government has undertaken various annexation efforts to expand its area, to the dismay of the majority of the residents of the surrounding communities."
It is now a town ("Palm Tree") thanks to Gov. Cuomo.

What could possibly go wrong.

English Outsider


Eric Newhill - Ouch! My own tumbles were due to inexperience and you'll be pleased to hear that in no case was the horse injured. Or indeed much upset.

I see Colonel Lang commenting in the subsequent article on the hysteria of these times. A lot of it about but then, progs do tend to obsess rather a lot. All that manpower going to waste, I thought when I saw the videos. Few of them bothering to do any practical thinking on how to put the country right though.

At least the Chartists had some clear goals in mind. Not that they were angels either. I came across this account of riots nearly two hundred years ago. Seems there were some teetotal Primitive Methodist Chartists involved, which I reckon was overdoing it with the virtue signalling -

https://www.myprimitivemethodists.org.uk/content/place-2/staffordshire-2/n-z-staffordshire-2/the_potteries_riot

Charging rioters with sabres seems in fact to have been fairly common, though shooting them was generally frowned upon. Not in this instance though.

More recently, during the Thatcher period, bands of police officers used to cruise the neighbourhood looking for striking miners to beat up. There was a well attended protest march in London not that long back, "The Countryside March" about the abolition of fox hunting. There the police officers leaned over the barriers to hit heads with batons as the protesters marched past.

So there seems to be a fair bit of give and take during these affairs. Just wish they'd leave the horses alone. And I'm afraid that police officer turned out to be badly injured. Difficult to see why that should happen to her because Chauvin killed George Floyd.

turcopolier

optimax

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureau_of_Indian_Affairs BTW, for the comprehension of non-Americans Indians can live anywhere they want. If they live on a reservation that is because they wish to do so.

EmJay72159508

I would be curious to know if Colonel Lang sees the move to “defund the police” as a first step in establishing a counter-state.

Also would like feedback on the idea that recent events exhibit characteristics of an insurgency as advocated by Mao.


Babak makkinejad

optimax

Why should anyone outside of Europe learn about Shoah in K-12?

Are young people also to learn about the Harrowing, to take an example from the English History?

Or about the enslavement and eventual extinction of Prutherians (sic) at the hands of Tutonic Knights?

Elie Wiesel coined the word Holocaust, from the same root as Holy.

Let the young people be, they have onlu one life to live and they are not going to benefit from the Lessons of History, few do.

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