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24 June 2020

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jerseycityjoan

I heard about the Guard going in on the TV and I didn't even think about the implications of being unarmed. Now I feel really dumb.

Why is this being done this way? It makes no sense. No one can say all the people involved with the various statutes and protests have been peaceful. They have not been. Unarmed Guard troops will be a mighty temptation to some of the people out there. They should be armed going forward.

Fred

Trump needs to fire one of these three ring circus leaders so the other two get the message. They want the optics for the press of America being destroyed by the 'peaceful' agitprop wing of the left so they will have another impeachment/removal excuse. After the latest DOJ release of evidence showing Biden and Barack were tag teaming the illegal investigation of Hilary's opponent the left are obviously going to double down. What do those three expect to gain by allowing this subversion to continue?

walrus

My limited understanding is that the Guard are not armed to prevent the. possibility of provocateurs sniping at the protesters and blaming. the guard. I have been in similar situations here during Vietnam when we were not even allowed to wear uniform lest we “provoke” protesters.

I know it stinks that we have to pander to these rotten creeps but a park full of dead protesters is not in President Trumps interests as far as re election goes once the media finish with such an event.

The Guard is effectively a tethered bait for the violent agitators among the left. It’s a shitty job but it needs to be done. If they are attacked, then the President has a strong case for much more force.

Fourth and Long

My guess - they want to avoid a Kent State style incident. Put them out there with weapons and ammunition in the face of this contemporary Antifa, and who knows what other groups such as bikers? There would be reasonable fear of provocation with intention of setting off a catastrophic incident. Keep in mind there is more sentiment around for seeing the brats get clobbered hard than the media reports. I pick it up reading the comment threads on social media such as TikTok lately. These kiddies are hopelessly naive and don't seem to know or suspect what real trouble is. Many are of an age during which their time for acting out like infants throwing fits and fouling their cribs is rapidly expiring. The mobile smartphone video taping amplifies the narcissistic gain. It's utterly ridiculous.
The downside though is just as you say. I sense a rock and hard place situation for Esper et al. No one wants to loose Old Hickory's statue, but they don't want anyone to get hurt.

turcopolier

walrus

How many dead Guardsmen is Trump's election worth?

TV

Esper has repeatedly proved to be an empty suit.
McCarthy a junior empty suit.
Milley - another swamp politician dressed up like a doorman who, like the rest of the flag officers, has the military track record of a Girl Scout.

Mike46

The DC Guard is armed. Armed with scrub brushes and trash bags to clean up the mess.

Eric Newhill

Do we still have BZ gas in the arsenal? Time to break it out.

optimax

A crowd in Wisconsin pulled down a statue of Hans Christian Heg, an abolitionist who died fighting as a colonel in the Union Army. This isn't about racism. For some it's about excitement and fun, for others it's about destroying Western culture and forming a more perfect union--for themselves.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7101452/madison-wisconsin-hans-christian-heg/

PRC90

'Unarmed' may be an incomplete description of their configuration when they deploy. Their command has had two weeks to get them ready for future Public Order missions and I'd expect they'll roll up with batons, shields, body armour, gas, a day's rations, after at least a week's worth of formation, tactics and comms training in the role on a MOUT range somewhere being pelted with rocks and bottles day and night by a suitably vocal and attired 'OPFOR' crowd. Actually sounds like fun.

Weapons ? Holstered pistols on secure lanyards for personal protection and concealed sniper overwatch is all they would need to be 'unarmed' enough to satisfy the politics of their presence.
Being so 'unarmed' in the role of static defenders without obstacles in front of them gives them plenty of leeway in regards to what they can inflict upon the anarchists and chancers who run up on them.

Yeah, Right

View this decision as the other side of the page to that outrageous open letter Milley wrote to the troops a few weeks back.

As in: he does not appear to trust US soldiers to be professional when facing off again political uproar, and because of that distrust he is not willing to put guns in their hands.

There is a pattern of behaviour here, this is not a decision to be viewed in isolation.

Kurt

Traditionally, I would have to agree with you on your talking point, however, in the wake of our endless wars, the Guard has swollen with many, MANY combat veterans of both Iraq and Afghanistan. Certainly, the quality and range of expertise of many guard units will vary wildly, which is a codnemnation of leadership and training, but the guard's presence alone _should_ be adequate deterrence to the type of opportunistic idiots committing these acts of terrorism. And YES... the willful destruction of statues is not vandalism. These are acts of terrorism designed to send the clear message that they wish to destroy the United States and our Constitutional government.

I have faith and trust in my brothers in the Guard.

turcopolier

kurt

"the guard's presence alone _should_ be adequate deterrence to the type of opportunistic idiots committing these acts of terrorism" Hopelessly romantic.

Fred

optimax,

" it's about destroying Western culture "
That's exactly right.

J

ANTIFA is planning according to their social media to burn the U.S. flag at Gettysburg on July 4, and after that then they're all supposed to meet at the local Perkins Restaurant to debrief all their activities that day.

I don't care who likes it, but I still say that ANTIFA need to be made to disappear permanently as they have declared war on our Republic, and are willfully endangering the lives of our fellow countrymen.

Three years ago ANTIFA leaderships were spotted down south training in hand to hand combat and urban guerilla warfare techniques. They are trained killers.

scott s.

So what is the chain of command for the DCARNG? I see the Adjutant General has come up through the DCARNG MP Bn, but there's also a 2-star Commanding General. Does the mayor have the authority of a state gov when guard is not federalized?

turcopolier

scotts

No, the DC Guard is directly subordinate to the president. the mayor has no authority over it.

Phillip e Cattar

Having the Hundred and First Airborne "The Screaming Eagles" there ,fully armed and ready works for me.........Have plenty of buses there to transport those arrested to jail.......Swarm the very first people who break any law.Those convicted of a felony should be sent to a working prison.............I was raised a few miles from the prison camp used in the movie "Cool Hand Luke".It was actually in use at the time.The movie was based on a true story that happened in Florida.................These mobs are going to have to be confronted............The sooner the better.

Booby Hatch

In the 1980's a drunken sailor returning from liberty decided to try to take the Marine gate guard's 45. The Marine shot & killed the sailor. The Navy base commander was horrified & ordered that the Marine guards be disarmed. The Commandant of the Marine Corps informed the Navy that if Marine guards were to man the gate, they would be armed. If the Navy wanted unarmed guards, they should hire rent-a-cops. The armed Marines remained on duty.

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