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06 June 2020

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J

The Minnesota AG Ellison's son has voiced his personal support for the terrorist group ANTIFA. So does his daddy the AG secretly support terrorist ANTIFA? I have to scratch my head in wonder.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/son-of-minnesotas-attorney-general-declares-support-for-antifa

Deap

Even if there had been no knee headlock used to restrain Floyd, after he tried resist arrest and flee, he easily could have claimed he "could not breathe" due to the massive amounts of drugs in his system - each of which can cause breathing suppression to the point of death.

All four police officers could have released him and he still would have died from his own hand.

The chain of evidence for "but for the neck restraint" as cause of death can only come out during a trial, with sworn testimony and vigorous cross examination. Good luck with that, considering the confounding factor of his his own hand in his own demise.

We all need to take a chill pill on any conclusions at this time. He was not just swallowing a Tums before his own demise.

Eric Newhill

Larry,
Yes. That is a good summary of the background of the situation. I will reiterate that in my personal experience that neck restraint can be applied with regulated pressure. The full weight of the body is only on the neck if you want it to be - and I don't see that in the video. I see Floyd having enough slack to move his head a little bit. The only thing I don't understand is why the restraint was applied so long. The other cops should have applied zip ties (or whatever) to Floyd's legs and then hoisted him into the car. There may be policies around that that are relevant.

I think the cops' lawyers should be able to raise doubts in the jurors' as to what killed Floyd. Now the lawyers have to identify a court where the cops can receive a fair trial. That should be a more challenging aspect of legal practice. Then the military will have to be positioned on full alert when the jury comes back with a decision.

Deap

Any police get charged with murder because of these Speedball deaths?

"...Speedball use has led to the deaths of numerous celebrities, including Phillip Seymour Hoffman, John Belushi, Chris Farley and River Phoenix."...

I believe the toxic overdose death of Micheal Jackson was also caused by the combination of uppers and downers. That did lead to murder charges against the prescribing physician. In that case Floyd's junkie dealer should be on the stand; not the police who were forced to restrain him.

What a lost teaching moment about the ongoing dangers of rampant drugs in the black community. Nary a mention. Just pointing fingers of guilt and screaming shame at anyone one who does not get in lline with BLM lies and lynching police everywhere as tried and convicted cold blooded murderers

Babak makkinejad

Larry Jonson

When was this regulation introduced, do you know?

Minnesota is largely settled by Northern Europeans.

Does police in Norway, for example, use such methods?

Babak makkinejad

Deap

The Chain of Evidence is this:

Had he not been arrested, he would have been alive today.

akaPatience

Thanks for all of this important info. Unfortunately, even tragically, it's rare to find such germane data in articles about this subject. It shouldn't be the case that a reporter risks vilification for telling the truth and not conforming to a certain narrative, but sadly, that's the state of "journalism" these days.

I've read that at least 2 of the other cops on the scene were rookies who Chauvin was tasked with training. If true, I wonder if this could at least partially explain the duration of his knee on Floyd's neck?

Jack

Babak,

We don’t know if he would have been alive today if he wasn’t arrested.

He was on drugs. How long before he would have OD’d?

Eric Newhill

Babak,
Had he not been arrested he'd most likely be dead from a drug OD.

Your anti-law enforcement stance is part and parcel for the subversive anti-western stance you've adopted as of late. Is that this same Babak that used to abhor drug use and insists that The Law is the most important thing in the world? What do they do to drug abusers in Iran/Muslim countries?

Nancy K

It is really apples and oranges regarding abortions and drug overdose. A woman black or white makes the decision to have an abortion, it is not forced upon her. Likewise a drug overdose is also a matter of a choice, taking drugs is usually a choice, granted a poor one that an individual makes. However George Floyd was not given a choice, that policeman's knee on his neck for almost 9 minutes made the decision, his death, for him.
Chauvin was the trainer, what exactly was he training the rookies to be, a murderer like him? I feel sorry for the 2 rookies they were probably afraid to disagree or speak up against a superior officer, and they will most likely pay a heavy price for that.
I am not antipolice at all. Supposedly Chauvin was in the military police, our son is in security in the Navy and he said sitting with your knee on someone's neck until they stopped breathing is not an acceptable hold, it is murder.

turcopolier

NancyK

Floyd made the choice to fill himself with the drugs that made him vulnerable to the kneeling. Your son wants you to approve of him. What does your ex IDF husband say or is he allowed to have an opinion at all? The Palestinians are knelt on like this by the IDF and police all the time.

Fred

Nancy K,

You'll be happy to know that the party that has run the city since '78 has changed the police manual. "If only" they council had been voted out of office when Justine Diamond had been murdered. You remember the riots and the planetary concern over her death at the hands of a trained Minneapolis police officer? Yeah, me either. Same for the tradgedy before that. Tragedies there were, the responses, quite different.

Babak makkinejad

Jack

It would be useful to distinguish among the 4 causes in this case:

The Efficient cause,
The Formal cause,
The Material cause,
and the Final cause.

Artemesia

Yesterday Dr. Michael Saag urged C Span listeners to "social distance, wear a mask: it's not to protect you, it's to protect me and everyone around you. Show you care!"

What percentage of people who die of Covid succumb due to obesity, or lung disease aggravated by a decade of smoking, or drugging?
I'm a bit overweight, but I don't think that's contagious.
When my BP measured far above a healthy range, I took measures to reduce sodium, increase exercise, and brought it down by 30 - 40 points over a very few weeks. It's not that hard, and only I could do it -- high blood pressure is not contagious except from agenda-drivers like Dr. Saag.
I never smoked, so nobody caught lung disease from my second-hand smoke.
I don't consume a gallon of sugared drinks each day (tho I admit to running thru a $1 bag of chips if I'm on a long trip and bored).

If you don't care about your own health enough to control your appetites, why is it my job to care about you?

Masks are a form of social control.
Join the Resistance!

Vince R

I was willing to cut the officers some slack. However, once Floyd's pulse was taken and the attending officer could not find one, the officer needed to get off his neck.

anon

I have a saying...why show your cards when you can play the joker.

Babak makkinejad

Artemisia

I thought you were a Catholic Christian.

Then you would know that man is too weak.

Mark

FYI: Not sure if you are aware, but it seems that as of now at least, one cannot send links to this blog to someone via Facebook Messenger. Attempts to sent generate this:

"Send failed
(#368) The action attempted has been deemed abusive or is otherwise disallowed."

This kind of censorship should not go unpunished in my view.

Apologies if you have been aware of this already.

mcohen

Babak

The man was engaged in criminal activity.He had a history.The police followed procedure.It,s all going down my man.

Correct me if I am wrong but is that a 33 degree freemason symbol tattoed on his chest.The mirror reflection of an eagle.


https://iharare.com/george-floyd-a-freemason/


Artemesia

Babak, I was raised & spent first 2/3 of life deeply immersed in Catholic Christian teaching. I don't know how that relates to the requirement that I wear a mask to protect you from a disease that there is a .007% chance that I have.
It's never happened before, that I'm aware of, that those who are well are quarantined; makes no sense to me, but as the Franciscan who was my teacher in high school told me long ago, "You are a cynic." I didn't know what that meant, then, but I've since concluded he was correct -- actually, more like a skeptic. Anyway, Franciscans are not the best teachers, Benedictines are.

As for Dr. Saag & masks, here's what troubles me: In a book he wrote he talked about his passion to

"cure AIDS . . . the gay cancer . . .find something to slow the suffering and dying—all the while watching as the pandemic killed people I’d come to know and love. What we needed to do, it seemed to me, was so clear, so simple: We just needed to stop the virus. If we knew how to stop the virus, we could stop the terror, the wasting, the dying. . . . By now, science has given us the tools to stop the virus.
But in the real world where my patients live and my colleagues work, medicine hasn’t been able to end the plague, because knowing how to keep someone alive doesn’t necessarily or magically morph into public policy that keeps them alive.
They don’t need to die of a disease we can manage, but they do. They’ve been dying for more than thirty years. They are dying as I write this sentence. They’ll die before you finish reading this page."

For at least the last 6 months -- pre-Covid + during lockdown -- billboards in my majority Black neighborhood have displayed the image of a handsome young black male holding a rainbow umbrella, under the legend, "Love passionately." Take PrEP, a Gilead pharma medicine to be taken before gay sex to protect from AIDS.
Yes, people are weak. Gay men and women will have risky sex.
But does it make sense to encourage them to do so? What is the agenda behind such an ad?

If Gilead is encouraging gay men and women to have gay sex without fear of getting sick because they can take pills (that are heavily subsidized by Federal gov - taxpayers, by the way, at cost of about half-a-billion annually) that maybe will prevent sickness, then why isn't Dr. Saag spending his energy opposing the presence and message of those billboards rather than hectoring me to wear a mask to virtue-signal that I'll protect my neighbor from a disease I am 99% certain I do not have?

What is Saag's agenda?

Babak makkinejad

Thank you Artemesia.

I only meant about obese people who cannot, evidently, say no to food.

PavewayIV

Fentanyl is mixed with meth today because it's cheap - sometimes cheaper than meth, itself. Even meth heads say they can't distinguish much difference in effect between meth and (less) meth cut with fentanyl, despite the well-known effects of each one used separately.

The manufacturer/distributor isn't selling the speedball effect - they're just maximizing their profits by using the cheapest ingredients possible to keep their customers happy. Same with heroin and cocaine producers use of fentanyl to extend profits - if 'customers' don't complain about an inferior product/experience (and live to tell about it), then order another sack of fentanyl from Qinzhougang.

Anesthesiologists know fentanyl at certain levels administered too rapidly can cause a kind of respiratory paralysis known as Wooden Chest Syndrome.

Unfortunately, fentanyl is a norepinephrine(NE) reuptake inhibitor = excess NE in nerve synapses. Methamphetamine is an NE agonist, releasing stored NE into nerve synapses. Some of fentanyl's sedative effects are offset by methamphetamine, but the NE effects are synergistic. Your respiration slows without your usual awareness of that happening. Aside from muscle tremors/stiffness, high NE levels can cause a sense of panic or feeling that something awful is about to happen.

Wooden Chest Syndrome's effects can vary in intensity. WCS is not necessarily fatal, but nanoxalone does not work to reverse its effects. Victims are sometimes treated for opioid intoxication while they slowly succumb to WCS induced respiratory failure.

I only mention this in this context because few first responders are even aware of this. Sadly, meth cut with fentanyl is not a rarity. We'll see more of this in the future. Yet another good reason for cops to avoid using their sadistic Krav Maga restraints on citizens.

Stephen Richter

I feel terrible for this police officer. His job was to engage with Mr Floyd, bring him into custody. Even if he did the wrong thing, he has to be given the benefit of the doubt that his actions were the result of poor judgement, not malice. Mistakes should not be judged criminally when someone is doing what they are required to do.

LJ

Here is a pretty decent summary with additional video angles focusing on the events as they happened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vksEJR9EPQ8&feature=emb_rel_pause&bpctr=1591683119

Stephen Richter

NY Times today. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/08/us/derek-chauvin-court.html Two of the officers, between them, had 7 days on the job.

From the article "... But he was also given at least two medals of valor. One was for his role in fatally shooting someone who was pointing a sawed-off shotgun at officers in 2006, the records said. The second was for a domestic-violence call in 2008. Mr. Chauvin broke down a bathroom door; after a struggle, he twice shot the person being sought, his file said.

Mr. Chauvin was awarded two medals of commendation. In 2008, he was recognized for apprehending a man accused of pointing a gun at a man and a woman — Mr. Chauvin and his partner followed the man with a gun, eventually tackling the man, who dropped a loaded .357.

His second was for working off-duty as security in November 2008 outside El Nuevo Rodeo. After he saw a man in an altercation fire off two rounds, Mr. Chauvin arrested him, the records showed. He also arrested some of the man’s friends, the records said, all of whom were accused of being part of a street gang. ..."

And we cannot give the man the decency of a fair trial and the liberty with which he can prepare his legal defense.

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