I was on the VMI Judo team as a cadet. This was a "club" sport as opposed to a varsity sport, but we traveled to matches in the eastern parts of the US. Yes, I had my ass whipped all over the place, had a couple of broken bones (small bones). You heal well at that age. You get the idea, not a great athlete but a willing participant for several years. The experience was very useful during my army career. This was not because I was a "sidewalk superman." No, it was because the experience built up my self-confidence.
I learned a lot. One of the basics was concerned with chokeholds. These are legal in Judo with certain restrictions. The method is simple. From the facing opponent position you cross your wrists, grasp the lapels of the person's judogi and rotate your arms inward so that your forearms press against the carotid arteries. If he can't break loose he loses consciousness in ten or twelve seconds from oxygen starvation in the brain. From a position behind the opponent you do a similar thing with the same result.
In Judo, when the opponent claps his hands you immediately release him. If he loses consciousness you immediately release him. Why? He will die if you maintain the pressure on the carotid artery or arteries.
Are we supposed to belief that the ass in blue did not know that? The man was unarmed, was cooperative and was handcuffed. Other asinine policemen (please don't call every cop an "officer") stood around and watched as their colleague ignored the pleas of the victim and onlookers to let him up.
Murder is murder. Throw the book at them. At the same time let us remember that these were Minneapolis police, not state of Minnesota or federal police. pl
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/05/28/minneapolis-protests-george-floyd-death/
DC is up and running. Beautiful day, plenty of people (tho nothing near what a non-coved May Day in DC would look like) biking, walking, toting children; probably more without mask than with.
Damage was contained to perhaps 6 blocks; crews already at work chemically treating graffiti, boarding up store fronts, even some glass was already being replaced. Police lowered a home-made banner from a flagpole on the corner of Pennsylvania & 14th St NW.
Litter had been thoroughly cleared from what was the rage area, but the homeless tent cities on K Street were just as littered as always.
About 200 people gathered as near to White House as they could get, waved posters, shouted. Majority Black but plenty of whites.
A wall of some sort was covered with graffiti, the most dominant word being F$%k.
The rest of the city, and especially tonier residential neighborhood like Capitol Hill, and commercial as well as residential neighborhoods in Georgetown, MacArthur Blvd, Chevy Chase, Bethesda; Rosslyn & Arlington in NoVa -- no sign that those people were involved in the uproar other than by media.
Nobody asked, but I think the Floyd-Chauvin thing was theater; I think he's not dead, but we'll never know that.
Somebody is working out a stress test experiment on the American people -- as soon as Floyd dies down, we will see "the worst hurricanes since Katrina."
Posted by: Artemesia | 31 May 2020 at 05:21 PM
Artemesia
"I think he's not dead," Why? He rose from the dead?
Posted by: turcopolier | 31 May 2020 at 06:26 PM
Keith Harbrough
Now why would a "three letter" US Agency want to own a cantina in Minneapolis? They had both been bouncers at
a tamale joint. Don't be stupid. You are right on the edge.
Posted by: turcopolier | 31 May 2020 at 06:54 PM
Turcopolier: Which is more likely: an overly-emotional 17-year old girl holds a cell phone rock steady for 10 minutes -- no wiggles, no background noise, close enough to record "I can't breathe" yet concealed from sight of 4 bad-acting policemen; or Floyd is having a Hallmark moment -- "He is not dead he's just away."
We were TOLD he died, we didn't actually see him die. Further, now there's argument about what caused his death.
Mark Logan said pressure on carotid could cause death. How long would that take -- 2 min, 4 min? Would his brain be able to form words after 6 min. pressure on carotid? What changes would take place in Floyd's posture, appearance, etc. if his carotid blood flow was being restricted, and when would we see it? https://www.wikihow.com/Do-a-Sleeper-Choke-Hold :
The same lawyer who represents Ahmad Arbery's survivors now represents Floyd's family. Coincidence.
Floyd & Chauvin worked together for 17 years.
This was theater and had the intended "audience response."
He never died. Or maybe he died and went to Epstein heaven.
Posted by: Artemesia | 31 May 2020 at 08:30 PM
Tidewater,
Get real, nine minutes with a knee on the carotid artery is coincidental to Floyd dying of natural and drug induced causes. Chauvin is a murderer but he may get off due to the legal license given to police. I can get behind that reform and stop no-knock entry. Who cares if they flush the drugs, better yet, send Ed Norton into the city's bowels to catch the package.
Deap,
You saw a different video than I.
Posted by: optimax | 31 May 2020 at 10:23 PM
Tidewater,
Read again.
Colonel Lang:
"I am skilled in unarmed combat. If you kneel on someone's neck for that long you are likely to kill him"
Mark Logan:
" It doesn't have to be asphyxiation. Could have been pressure on the carotid artery did him in. Google up the old banned sleeper-hold technique."
The knee did it. George Floyd good/bad health does not make any difference in this case. Chauvin killed him.
Posted by: TonyL | 01 June 2020 at 02:07 AM
artemesia
The length of time it takes to render someone unconscious and/or dead by obstructing the carotid artery depends on the degree of obstruction of that blood vessel.
Posted by: turcopolier | 01 June 2020 at 09:12 AM
Artemesia
Your point about the crystal clear footage of the act of deliberate murder is a good one.
The Epstein heaven theory is pretty out there, but then again I just saw who the family had do Floyd's autopsy; yup, one Dr Michael Baden.
https://www.ktvu.com/news/george-floyd-family-to-release-results-of-own-autopsy
Posted by: Barbara Ann | 01 June 2020 at 01:39 PM
all
When I wrote this post, I did not know that Floyd was stuffed to the eyes with Speedballs (fentanyl and meth). That is what probably killed him by reducing his body's ability to cope with them and Chauvin kneeling on him. I also did not know that kneeling on prisoners was an approved technique in the Minneapolis police. This will be an interesting set of trials.
Posted by: turcopolier | 06 June 2020 at 06:49 PM
If those rules are cited by the defense it will be crushed by hordes of officers testifying that that isn't a licence to camp out on someone's neck. Only until the perp is cuffed. Included in those hordes will be the three other cops at the scene who tried to get him to get off.
Posted by: Mark Logan | 07 June 2020 at 01:59 PM
Some accounts of "police brutality" in the media omit key precipitating facts.
A glaring example is the much-publicized story of Buffalo police pushing a 75-year old man protesting for George Floyd to the ground, injuring him.
What is left out of all the MSM stories I have seen about this incident is
a description of exactly what he was doing before police shoved him.
Sundance describes those actions here:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/06/06/buffalo-officials-duped-by-professional-antifa-provocateur-arrest-and-charge-two-police-officers-righteous-police-team-stand-together-and-walk-out/
See also this video:
https://youtu.be/9CubkyIzygQ
As Sundance describes it:
"In this slow motion video, you will see Gugino using a phone as a capture scanner.
You might have heard the term “skimming”; it’s essentially the same.
Watch him use his right hand to first scan the mic of officer one (top left of chest).
Then Gugino moves his hand to the communications belt of the second officer."
Posted by: Keith Harbaugh | 08 June 2020 at 09:23 AM