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Alan

This is also very interesting:

"Before General Flynn's voce message turns on, there is an open line, barely audible chat.
Someone asks Chernyshev, "Which agency are we talking about?" Chernyshev asks as to
confirm if he understands the question and responds in the same time: "Which Agency hackers
did the hacking? Believe me, Americans did hacked this all."

Petrel

The full exchange between General Flynn and Ambassador Kislyak throws much light on the subsequent Sunday morning mis-speaking by the Vice-President Pence.

From the first telephone call, Flynn tells Kislyak that President-elect Trump will only be inaugurated 3-weeks hence. Therefore Trump in late-December cannot formally make foreign policy decisions immediately.

In a later exchange about Russia's proposed Astana Peace Conference to de-escalate ISIS activity In Syria, Flynn responds that Russia has Trump's backing to begin preparations with the Syrians, Turks et al. On his part, Flynn will begin pencilling-in who would be on a future US delegation.

It goes without saying that Vice President-elect Pence, during this period had a full-time job marshaling the Transition and may not have been in the loop on these tentative Russian peace initiatives. When asked on a Sunday morning talk show, Pence could correctly say President Trump had no "official communications" with the Kremlin. But to later trash & demand Flynn's dismissal for "lying to him" about the informal phone calls was inappropriate.

Pence could easily have told Americans that President-elect Trump was establishing informal relations, through multiple phone calls, with world leaders and he, Pence, was not party to all of them. No one in the fledgling Trump Administration was lying to him.

anon

Hi Larry.why not tackle this knot from the Russian end.Russia has been fighting in Syria since jisr al shugour massacre in the groves.There naval base on the med was threatened and Gazprom stood to lose control of energy resources flowing out of the me too Europe.That has now been achieved.Not only that but Wagner group are in Libyan with Russian air support.From that point of view what was Flynn's role in this

Mathias Alexander

" amazed at the dishonesty and laziness of the media". Dishonesty and laziness are the norm in the media.

English Outsider


That was one superb summary.

I wonder sometimes whether the new administration, from Trump downwards, realised just what they were up against after that unexpected election victory.

h

Time will tell but something tells me the release of the Kislyak-Flynn transcripts/FBI cuts is also related to Boente's forced resignation. Here's sundance's take - it's a long read btw - https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/05/30/boom-dana-boente-removed-fbi-chief-legal-counsel-forced-to-resign/

And yes, the hacking comment is fascinating on so many levels. It's just kinda left hanging out there all by itself, eh?

And a quick off-topic thank you to the Col for posting the Lara Logan clip. All efforts hunting for it yesterday failed. She nailed it.

JerseyJeffersonian

English Outsider,

Yes, I think that evidence thus far revealed suggests that the sedition was far along, and this even before Trump's victory - an insurance policy, if you will, and way beyond any opposition research, as much of the "information", if not at root fabricated, was otherwise illegally gathered.

And immediate that election victory, things went into overdrive as the seditionists' panicked, doubling and tripling down on their illegal actions to frame a projected impeachment narrative as their next tactic. I hesitate to call it their next strategy, as it was too knee jerk to be characterized in that fashion.

So, no, I think that the new Trump administration had little idea of just how this transition of administration was, counter to most prior precedents, planned to be undermined with the full intent to invalidate the election of President Trump, and if possible, to overturn it.

This was sedition on multiple levels, crimes deliberately embarked upon to destroy the Constitution and the Republic by any means that these traitors deemed efficacious.

May they all rot in Hell.

blue peacock

Petrel,

I believe Trump knew he was being spied on as Adm. Rogers informed him and thereafter he moved his transition organization away from Trump Tower.

In any case why did Trump throw Flynn under the bus? In hindsight that was a huge mistake. Another huge mistake in hindsight was not cleaning house at the DOJ, FBI and the intel agencies early. That allowed Rosenstein and Wray to get Mueller going and created the pretext of the investigation to bury all the incriminating evidence. Trump never declassified anything himself which he could have and broke open the plot. He then gave Barr all classification authority who sat on it for a year. Look how fast Ric Grenell declassified stuff. There was no "sources & methods" the usual false justification.

It is unconscionable how severely Flynn was screwed over. Why is Wray still there? How many of the plotter cohort still remain?

anon

Turkey by signing a deal with Libya gives them access to med gas resources.They are doing this with Russian assistance.Therefore Gazprom will be involved.Whats more Libyan oil resources are now within reach of Turkey and Russia.
Ethiopia is the key to starting a chain reaction to changing the Libyan paradox.Obama was heading in the right direction and Flynn was tied up with rubbish by trump
Therefore Flynn flying free=Democrats are betting the house.

Seen from this point of view covid is a tool in the hands of the Islamists.The riots an extension.Nato needs to make a move now

Libya is the prize.Imho

anon

All in all my saying applies.Won the fight but lost the game

Circumspection is circumcision of the mind

Keith Harbaugh

Margot Cleveland has a very lengthy piece which, I believe,
is in near total agreement with your analysis, namely:
It was the Mueller team that deceived, not Flynn.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/01/new-flynn-transcripts-confirm-mueller-team-lied-to-the-court-and-the-country/

Keith Harbaugh

While the violence in our cities is capturing people's attention,
just want to point out an item of "old business" that is worth some attention:
the testimony at 10 AM today of Rod Rosentein before the Senate Judiciary Committee.
Sundance describes the issues at stake here:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/06/02/rod-rosenstein-testifies-tomorrow-at-1000am-what-questions-would-you-ask/
To view the hearing, visit C-Span:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?472540-1/deputy-attorney-general-rosenstein-testifies-fbis-russia-investigation

Keith Harbaugh

Several key questions were not addressed in Rosenstein's testimony,
e.g., the authorizing of the targeting of MTF Jr. as a way to pressure his dad.
Sundance gives four such omitted issues here:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/06/03/four-issues-highlight-how-lindsey-grahams-senate-hearings-are-a-deep-state-cover-operation/

Keith Harbaugh

Someone named Aaron Ames has an interesting and suggestive overlay of dates and events in the following:
http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0620/obamaflynn.html

Keith Harbaugh

Just want to give several useful and significant references concerning the Flynn situation'

1. While I certainly don't agree with the general positions of Benjamin Wittes (the major domo of Lawfare) he does give an excellent play-by-play summary of Friday's 2020-06-12 mandamus hearing before the D.C. Circuit Court:
https://www.lawfareblog.com/oral-argument-summary-re-michael-flynn
He makes some judgement calls on what is "irrelevant" and "without basis", but those subjectivities are obvious, and the general summary of the thrust-and-parry of the 100-minute hearing is quite helpful.

2. A very articulate and knowledgeable analysis of the current Flynn situation , from the pro-Flynn side, is given in this one-hour video from Jay Sekulow et al.:
https://youtu.be/tqRwPTkPfMc
The glaring problem with that video is that about half of it is grating (IMO) appeals for financial support.
But the other half contains quite interesting arguments from competent legal professsionals about how fucked-up this situation is.
(After listening to them, that seems the appropriate term.)
For example;
David A. O'Neil, one of the signatories of the Gleeson "friend of the court" brief, was a lawyer for Sally Yates.
https://www.courthousenews.com/lawyer-says-white-house-stopped-yates-testimony/
So a "friend-of-the-court" is a former lawyer for Sally Yates.
Hmmm.
The people in that video raise a number of similar issues.

3. There is a webpage which summarizes that video:
https://aclj.org/constitution/radio-recap-exclusive-analysis-what-comes-next-in-the-michael-flynn-saga

4. Finally, moving away from the Flynn-specific stuff,
Sundance lays out and connects some of the dots in the Obama administration's use of LE and the IC to surveil the Trump campaign:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/06/14/obama-era-political-surveillance-were-black-files-created/
This reference makes a good companion to the Aaron Ames webpage cited in the comment above, raising and connecting a number of issues which might be collectively described as "Spygate."

Jack

This is abuse of power. Flynn is owed money, reputation and seeing his foes jailed.

As to the riots. This was planned to happen long before it did. All to get Trump out. And Obama clan is behind it. But like the fake virus scare, also planned to damage Trump. It is going to backfire.

DJT has figured out how the children in DC operate. He's getting better at it.

That said, plan B for them is flipping back the states he flipped with voter fraud. And they will.

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