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09 April 2020

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Upstate NY'er

Fauci, and the rest, have lived in a bureaucratic strait jacket for too long.
To them, this is not an existential crisis, it's just another scientific question.
After all, they're not negatively affected; still got their NO accountability cushy government jobs.

just another old guy

Well here is another example of not to be blindly taking medical advise which is not verified by scientific testing.

https://mathbabe.org/2020/04/06/diabetics-potentially-have-a-lot-to-lose-by-using-hydroxychloroquine/

"Diabetics potentially have a LOT to lose by using hydroxychloroquine.....metformin. It is the fourth most prescribed drug in the United States and is used by more than 150,000,000 people world wide. It is the usual first drug prescribed for Type 2 diabetes."

I am certain that many readers of this blog take this medicine since since about 28 million Americans have Type 2 diabetes. But here is a kicker if you are out of your mind and thinking of taking the choloroquine.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.31.018556v1

"Fatal toxicity of chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine with metformin in mice"

Which states that 30-40% of test mice when given the above drug combination....DIE. So are you really going to take the advise of people who have no meaningful medical knowledge and take drugs which have not been tested? Really?

Aksavavit

Prof. Didier Raoult from Marseille's Institut hospitalo-universitaire (IHU) Méditerranée Infection (https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/covid-19/), a leading specialist on infectious (http://www.expertscape.com/ex/infections) and emerging communicable diseases (http://www.expertscape.com/ex/communicable+diseases%2C+emerging) with over 2,000 publications, warmly promotes this treatment. He loudly resigned from the ad hoc medical council on Covid-19 the next day after having been appointed by Pres. Macron.
At his IHU, which by the way is the national reference hospital for infectious diseases, they have, as of April 9, treated 2,285 patients tested positive to SARS-CoV-2 with this treatment, with only 10 deaths after 3 days of treatment, whatever that means. This would amount to a case fatality rate of 0.44%.
Some points remain obscure but he boldly engaged his international reputation on this.
If I'd got the virus, I'd TGVee to Marseille sans perdre une minute.

Norbert M Salamon

There are 2 hour + long Covid 19 treatment video's[one international, one based on Italy] in English plus others at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKJY8jd_vL4&t=156s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqLCsplBSko I am not a doctor so I can not comment on these videos or others on the site

Mark K Logan


Had a local tough old gal pull off the same miracle a couple weeks back. A great feel-good story if there ever was. We are all looking for those at the moment. The press, wittingly or no, subtly implies this bug is all but a death-sentence. They have been conditioned to scare people so they stay tuned in, I guess.

"It's the potato soup!"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-90-year-old-woman-seattle-recovering-covid-19-life-care-center-kirkland-washington-geneva-wood/

JerseyJeffersonian

Upstate NY'er, et al,

Oh, it gets worse. Here is a good characterization of the underlying attitude in this quote:

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C. S. Lewis

I saw an email that Fauci sent to Hillary in the wake of her loss to Trump, and it was a real example of obsequious toe-sucking; one expert offering sympathy to another. Give me Dr. Raoult anyday, as he answers to his allegiance to the Hippocratic Oath as a healer, not to any fealty to some liege lady of dubious worth.


eakens

We're scaring the shit out of people, while the Fed shuttles $3.5 Trillion out the back door, including many, many billions for junk bonds now.

Somebody tell me what the hell the point of paying any tax is at this point? One can only draw but a few conclusions from these actions:

1. The banks would be insolvent if the bond market was not propped up, and the whole system would otherwise implode. This problem will not go away, and in fact will embolden those looking to bet against the system. It's obvious that a calculus was made, either we pump until something breaks or it breaks now. They chose door #1.

2. This is part of a systematic series of actions intended to blow up the Federal Reserve, and take us away from the Petrodollar.


Today's actions should scare the living shit out of everybody, both in what it is a signal of, as well as the ease with which the wholesale theft of the future generations can take place without a peep out any corners of congressional halls. The people get $350B through some sort of fraud-laden PPP program, the banks and rentier class get $3.5T, and nobody sharpens a single pitchfork.

They just idly sit by the fire in their home, playing cards and watching stupid videos on their phone all day.

turcopolier

Mark K Logan

you think Dr. Siegel is lying?

egl

Was Siegel's father tested for coronavirus? Couldn't tell from the linked article.

Mark K Logan

Pat,

No.

I'm partly laughing at Tucker's "Couldn't be a clearer and heavier example!" to anecdotal evidence, and posting a case that has something else to consider: That old gal couldn't have eaten potato soup through a ventilator. She recovered without something else the press has been hyperventilating about for weeks.

Eric Newhill

Dr. Siegel appeared to begin to choke up and fight back automatic crying in response to the thought of losing his father, right at the end of the interview. I'm pretty sure what said was true.

The benefits of the drug may include its know anti-inflammatory action, in this instance working on the lungs, in addition to some kind of antiviral properties.

turcopolier

mark k logan

You just can't stand Trump. So, any opportunity to bitch will do,

Mark Logan

Just can't stand the cable news people. But I will refrain from bitching.

turcopolier

just another old guy

"So are you really going to take the advise of people who have no meaningful medical knowledge and take drugs which have not been tested?" You are a hypocrite agitprop type. You know there are many trials underway by well qualified medical people.

CK

When one wants to make a cherry pie, one has to cherry pick.
If your flavour of cherry pie is TDS you look for one kind of cherry only; if your flavour is not TDS you look for other kinds of cherries.
Somewhere along the way enough anecdotes turns into testable data; and once the data is tested it is time to cherry pick again.

Terence Gore

https://www.aninews.in/news/world/middle-east/benjamin-netanyahu-thanks-dear-friend-modi-for-sending-hydroxychloroquine-to-israel20200410023112/

Benjamin Netanyahu thanks 'dear friend' Modi for sending 'Hydroxychloroquine to Israel'


No proof either way but interesting

Philippe Rouquet

A 95-year old Swiss lady from the Jura mountains was saved by applying a treatment with Chloroquine (cf. the 2nd URL if 1st link does not play) after she refused to be hooked to a respirator:
- https://www.rts.ch/play/tv/19h30/video/une-femme-de-95-ans-guerie-du-coronavirus-temoigne?id=11199569
- https://youtu.be/rC6Ks8hpFGk

The key to the treatment with Chloroquine (and the concomitant Azithromycin antibiotic) is that it should be applied early enough to lower the viral load.

steve

I guess what I would say is that we have over 200 patients in our hospitals all on HCQ and none of them are going from deathly ill to cured overnight. We give it as part of a multi-drug cocktail. That cocktail may be giving us a small reduction in the length of hospitalization. IL6 inhibitor might be having small effect also. Hard to tell.

Steve

BillWade

A gin and tonic with a dash of zinc:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/atHMtEonbOxS/

25 min video, this Dr seems genuine to me, others may not agree.

CK

Speaking of cherry picking, the insurance data that has been examined has, so far, shown no Lupus or RA sufferers who are on Chloroquine or Hydroxychloroquine have died from Sars Co-Civ 2019.
@BillWade:
The FDA by fiat cut the level of quinine in tonic water ( and bitter lemon ) to 83 ppm. The malarial efficient dosage is 4705 mg.
The math is depressing at 15 gallons of tonic water a day to get close to the necessary level of quinine to treat your malaria.
Now if you mix your gin and tonic at 1 to 1 then you also need 15 gallons of gin to go with your 15 gallons of tonic. Should you feel inclined to try this amount of G&T please step away from the keyboard, and have a large barf bag close by; also an up to date will.
However, when the sun crosses the yardarm it is entirely acceptable to hoist a G&T and begin practicing with your Maxim gun.

BillWade

CK, I'll drink to that! Thanks, lol

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