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14 November 2019

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akaPatience

I hate to say it but it's been my experience that a bow tie = possible pompous jerk alert.

PJ20

I wore a bow tie most of my professional life. I liked them because in no particular order: I preferred not having a tie and bow ties are easy to fold up and put in a sport coat pocket to have at the ready; they’re distinctive and when you’re out there competing, potential clients remember the guy with the bow tie; one of my best friends was a pediatrician who always wore one. Pediatricians like them because they’re more out of reach from the little patients they have and thus their necks are jerked less often.

Factotum

Sounds like Peter Strozk has a perfect new career for himself - FSO.

confusedponderer

Ah, troglodytes ... a decade ago I was told that I was one too. Because I can ... count.

As a student I worked in a marketing company that sold US credit cards. My part of the job was more honourable: I was tasked with administering the phone numbers called to do that.

It's like that with these numbers: You call someone and he sais "Never ever call me again, never ever, you a**hole" the number is blocked to be recalled for 6 weeks and was then called again. If the person agrees to appointment with a seller, the number is blocked for a year etc pp.

The point is, the more you call the less numbers you have left. Call in a city for a week, starting with 5000 numbers - after a week you're left with, say, 300 (mostly crap).

To make after that many or any more appointments then is simply impossible or requires a lot of luck or, much worse, to re-use the numbers by nullifying all blockings (= burning resources).

It's that simple: To make fried eggs you need eggs, a stove and a pan (or a really hot engine hood), to make bricks you need clay, if you want to drive from Europe to Vladivostok you need ... a visum, money, time, food, good weather, a warm jacket, to know russian, have a robust car and a lot of fuel etc pp.

One day another employee (nice ties, glued hair and IMO seriously business study damaged) negotiated a new contract with the credit card company with very ambitious goals, without asking whether we had the resources (phone numbers) to achieve that.

And we didn't have what was needed and the bosses decided and chose not to buy more numbers. So I told the unfortunate guy tasked with achieving the demanded sales that, with the numbers left, we simply couldn't do it.

I was then wildly insulted to be a ... troglodyte, wicked, mean, illoyal, evil, that I would lie and some more of that sort. I was fired 15 minutes later, which annoyed as hell but, on the plus side, with luck led me to a three times better paid much better job elsewhere.

The part more entertaining me was that I was absolutely correct, which I learned a few months later from a former colleague:

The company was bankrupt eight weeks later, and the guy who fired me had a burnout or mental breakdown three weeks later. One of the bosses went from having been a millionaire to work as a waiter. The contract partner simply chose another "executor" (who was amusingly employing the same salesmen).

So, I was right, and what did it give me? Not much but a bad experience and, with luck, something much better elsewhere. Alas, and good riddance.

Turcopolier

All

I am struck by the fact that a woman mentioned above actually threw a bottle of hand lotion at a SEAL who came to Main State to brief her. Much the same thing happened to me with a male FSO who was DCM in an embassy in which I was DATT. I had drafted a lengthy report to DIA that described the local armed forces as inept and difficult to train. The embassy had the right to append remarks to my report but not to change it or block it without my agreement. The DCM tried for half an hour to pressure me into changing my report to make it more favorable to the local forces. When I refused repeatedly to do so he threw the fifteen page message form across the room at me. I got up and left, leaving it where it fell. After talking to the ambassador the man apologized and the embassy sent my message.

Terence Gore

https://johnsolomonreports.com/the-real-ukraine-controversy-an-activist-u-s-embassy-and-its-adherence-to-the-geneva-convention/

Diana C

Yes, it's not often that someone who is right first gets the credit. It's true in business, educational organizations--well everywhere I ever worked. I just got used to someone else getting credit for things I had put in place firt.

You get to the point of not caring if you don't get the credit. You just want to be able to do your job better and go home each night.

It's common for females in almost every work situation I held. Pompous men getting the credit for what a whole office of females actually did--sometimes doing things and making decisions they just didn't ask the boss to "approve."

akaPatience

What??? The EXCELLENT Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-NY) is not being permitted to question today's [self-important bureaucrat] witness. Why???

edding

And, see also John Solomon's latest directed at Yovanovich at: https://johnsolomonreports.com/the-15-essential-questions-for-marie-yovanovitch-americas-former-ambassador-to-ukraine/

Someone's ox is getting slowly and methodically gored. Solomon's reporting on Ukraine and the State Department has been spot on and backed up by solid evidence.

akaPatience

I learned the issue was that Devin Nunes was not permitted to hand off his remaining time to her at one point due to procedural rules.

Rep. Stefanik in fact questioned the witness later, and btw did an excellent job as usual, forcing the witness to impeach her previous testimony and admit she was aware, from Obama administration prepping before her Senate confirmation hearing, of its concern about Hunter Biden and Burisma. If asked about it, she was coached by the Obama administration to answer that questions about Hunter Biden and Burisma be referred to VP Biden!

John Merryman

Trump seems to have the whole system in a circular firing squad.
Given his career of heading out the back door with the cash, as the lawyers are coming in the front door, he might actually have some idea what he's doing.

JohnH

Can anybody explain to me what Democrats hoped to accomplish by having Yovanovitch testify? I mean, a lot of people, including me, have had their boss do them wrong. Are we supposed to be shocked that it happened to Yovanovitch? Is Yovanovitch a member of some kind of Protected Species, class, or ethnicity?

I don't get it. I think Democrats are flailing about and will ultimately embarrass themselves more than Mueller already did.

walrus

As I have said before, narcissists are great haters and once you “cross “ them they will do their best to kill you or your career forever. They don’t give up until you put an Oak stake through their heart.

Mitt Romney is a good example. Read the book “bad blood” about Elizabeth Holmes and Theranos Inc. for a detailed example of the modus operandi of a narcissist.

Factotum

No coincidence Cassanda was a woman. Agree Diana, one does eventually accept this reality because the important issue is getting something done. As it is said, the reward of the good life is the good life itself. Same for a good idea- its outcome if the reward even if the credit is not.

Factotum

Trump's tweet today was not witness intimidation It was merely the right of the accused to confront his accuser - 6th and 14th Amendment constitutional rights.

If Schiff under color of law insists on accusing Trump of "high crimes", Trump darn well gets to exercise his criminal prosecution rights.

Factotum

Orangeman bad. Trump made her feel bad. High crime. Cancel 2016.

Factotum

Right now, since there is no trial and no crime, there can be no "witness intimidation". Democrats are either blowing smoke or creating a smoke screen - multi-taskers, often at the same time. This woman Yovanovich is just a mouthy chick at this time, who earned her verbal smackdown. No harm, no foul.

JohnH

I think I'm finally beginning to figure out what this is all about.

David Ignatius: "When you think about the Ukrainian soldiers on the front lines of this nasty proxy battle against Russia, the debate becomes more visceral and perhaps less confusing. As Ukrainians were struggling with near-daily shellfire, Trump appeared to treat military aid appropriated by Congress as a personal political tool."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/people-died-while-trump-played-games-with-ukraines-military-aid/2019/11/12/a4cc18a6-0598-11ea-b17d-8b867891d39d_story.html

Of course, most of those people died years ago, under Obama. But no matter. Ignatius' tearful column echoes Yovanovitch's tearful testimony: play on people's sympathies and get them to support the borg's desire to turn Ukraine into a serious frontline state.

Their big accomplishment this century was to grab Ukraine from the Russkies. And now Trump is threatening to mess with their glory. Impeachable!!!

For those who wanted Ukraine so badly, I can only say, "You should have been careful of what you wished for, because you got it … and it's no prize."

confusedponderer

Factotum,
re: As it is said, the reward of the good life is the good life itself. Same for a good idea- its outcome if the reward even if the credit is not.

That reminds me of Sherlock Holmes and Watson telling the cops that the reward to him is the investigation itself.

I admit, unlike Sherlock, I worked there for the money. I had to pay a university fee, a rent, food, good whiskey and an occasional holiday.

And for that I had to tolerate sometimes creepy bosses. In that sense the money was not so much a reward but also a compensation.

There was the day the later waiter boss insisted to install a picture at the wall behind my chair himself (to glimpse at my desktop?).

The IT could have helped him getting 20 screenshots per minute from my desktop without him distorting his back. Subjective priorities I assume. It also annoyed him that I went out to get fresh coffee.

An more hilarious thing was that they had a corporation truck march in an CSD LGTB parade. After them there came a fetish troop with a lot of leather, latex, gas masks, shields, whips and chains.

confusedponderer

Factotum,
re: Right now, since there is no trial and no crime, there can be no "witness intimidation"

Aha. So to you a witness is only a witness when there is a trial? I strongly doubt that.

According to Wikipedia "A witness is someone who has knowledge about a matter. In law a witness is someone who, either voluntarily or under compulsion, provides testimonial evidence, either oral or written, of what he or she knows or claims to know."

Police for instance listens to many many witnesses - a long time before a trial, in fact as part of an investigation if there was a crime, if there will be a trial and against whom.

What the impeachmentery right now is about is to find out if Trump has comitted high crimes and misdemeanors.

If that was and is so, then, criminality aside, the culprit likely at least isn't the right man at the job.

Telling a witness in such matter that there will be consequences for saying the unwanted things ... is probably just an oopsie mistake of a very responsible man utterly bored by tweeting, supressing pictures of him doing so because then he is wearing glasses, playing golf or armtwisting Ukraine into helping him against the Bidens in his next election campaign?

At that time there very well can be a witness intimidation.

If you deny that you're kidding yourself.

Stephen Richter

anything on Roger Stone? I do not understand why he did not put forward a defense at his trial. This was a jury trial. Put on a show, call Mueller to testify as to when he knew there was no collusion yet continued on with the investigation. And why did Roger put out the picture of the judge in the cross hairs, which got him banned from speaking in public? It is like he did that deliberately for exactly that end. Do not speak and defend yourself to the public. Do not speak at your own trial. Eventually get a Trump pardon. We had a never ending Mueller investigation. Now the Durham thing goes on and on. Flynn took a plea and did not speak in his own defense. Stone lets himself be convicted. The conservative media does not ask any questions of its own side. What is going on??

Diana C

Yes, Cassandra was my favorite of all the women in the mythologies of ancient Greece. One of my favorite female dog companions was named Cassandra.

Diana C

I am so sick of this entire charade. It's being perpetrated by an entire group of elected persons who can't figure out what their "real jobs" should be. It's Adam Schiff trying to find his "deep throat" and not having any luck at all, while wasting the time that could be spent more wisely on actually doing the job his was sent to do for the people.

It's also a clear example of how the entire state of CA should be given a good cleaning. When I was young, all the cool kids were "California dreaming." But now all California represents to me is the nightmare(s) before Christmas of Schiff and Pelosi.

confusedponderer

Factoum,
re: Orangeman bad. Trump made her feel bad. High crime. Cancel 2016.

Some people dislike Trump for real reasons, and good ones as well. It's not his ridiculous hair and that odd skin colour.

It's what he says, tweets and does and how he does it, what he doesn't and why.

Recently making Rudy Giuliani a pivate shadow foreign secretary is bad enough (who wants a man in such a position for whom - on a good day - reality is not reality) not to mention making tweets a means to express foreign policy positions (that may, perhaps, or not, last for the next 30 seconds).

The late Clinton-Pizzagate-Padeophile-Porno-Prostitution-Whatever-Else idiocy was eagerly spread by Trump and dishonourable Trumpists like Flynn.

However idiotic, it led to some nutcase going to the pizzeria, armed up with a pistol and assault rifle, "to dispose that crime" (however fictious).

Such babbling has consequences. In this case it was just luck for the bystanders that that loon did not drink, speed, coke, crack or LSD himself up before so that nobody got shot.

America, like every country, probably has some problems. One of them likely is ever arbitrary Trump (who seems to see unpredictability as a show of strength - not as a weakness).

The other is that - with Biden, Pelosi and Trump - the totalised age of all three top candidates for US presidency is 228 years. Trade minister Wilbur Ross is 81 years old. Chuck Grassley is 86 years old. Mitch McConnell is 77 years old.

Beware of the flu ... are senate and the Whitehouse becoming a nursing home for the elderly?

srw

"grab Ukraine from the Russkies"?? I thought as the Soviet Union crumbled the Ukrainians sought an independence from the Soviets or Russia. In any regards, I wish Ukraine could become a southern Finland, not threatening to Russia but aligned culturally and economically with western Europe. Hope Zelenski can achieve something on this order.


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