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10 October 2019

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JerseyJeffersonian

I recall & credit the Ukraine gold theft story. Germans were asking hard questions about their gold at the Fed, getting stonewalled. Maybe they got it to shut them up. Libyan gold also taken. Hmm?

Andrey Subbotin

Those health increases sound impressive, but if you look at Ukraine or Belarus stats, you will see very similar numbers - 8 years life expectancy raise, child mortality dropping from 15 per 1000 to about 6 etc. All without Putin. I rather think it is general medicine advances.

Amir

There is NO WAY general medicine advance can add 6 years to the life expectancy of a developed country. It is no doubt related to common preventive strategy, cheap but extremely hard to implement as it requires a change of habits: www.hhs.gov/surgeongeneral/reports-and-publications/physical-activity-nutrition/walking-executive-summary/index.html

Fred

Andrey,

So years of war and massive corruption have been good for Ukraine? That's an interesting take on things.

J

What did you think about the FBI's detainment of a Russian MP Inga Yumasheva when she came to the U.S. for a better U.S./Russia relationship confab at Ft Ross. It appeared that the FBI goal was to embarrass Russia and throw mud on the better relationship confab. The FBI also tried to 'turn' the Russian diplomat, much to their failure.

Lyttennburgh

Care to provide us with the up to date source? For I have doubts that under Ulyana "Doctor Death" Suprun and her reforms the Ukraine could have improved it's healthcare landscape.

Lyttennburgh

UPD.

Andrey Subbotin is either misinformed, or wants to disinform us all. Re:Ukraine - https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%96%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8C_%D0%B6%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%82%D1%8F_%D0%B2_%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%97%D0%BD%D1%96.

Life expectancy:
1990 - 65.7 (Males), 75 (Females).
1995 - 61,3 (Males), 72,6 (Females).
2013 - 66,3 (Males), 76,2 (Females).

Note: that's official stats in the pre-Maidan Ukraine. Please, show me, and I quote Andrey Subbotin, "8 years life expectancy raise". Etc, etc, about other claims - will we see some proof?

Seamus Padraig

Then why did (ex-)Soviet lifespans shrink between 1990 and 1995? Did medicine go backwards in those years?

Patrick Armstrong

Was it policy? Was it a rogue event (he did sort of ask her for a date)? Either way, more than a little third world behaviour.

vig

you have shares in privately handled Gold Trusts?

Am I wrong you are following zerohedge? Otherwise: What's your point?

vig

patrick,
Paul Robinson reads junk so that I don't have to: a book by some academic explaining why so many Russians (wrongly – of course!) support the horrible Putin.

Yes, guess that's the central burdens of academics.

Somewhere on his reading list, although he seems to have offered it to JP or Russia Researched at one point in time for Review. Check his blogrole.
https://tinyurl.com/K-B-Smith-The-Russia-Anxiety

Definitively worth of slow reading.

ISL

Thanks PA,

Found the article on protests and soft power rather interesting (and oh so tinged with Russian propaganda in tone, largely (or completely) accurate in fact and highly imploring.). Basically, find a small but vocal group with grievances for foot soldiers to manipulate the media and larger society. Given how riven the US is and how inequality is swelling the ranks of folk with grievances, I expect to see the same technique applied quite successfully against the US in the near future (probably not already - I suspect, though the foundation is being laid). Trump rode just such a group into the presidency, but US life expectancy continues shortening.

Key difference is that the Chinese or Russian authorities take pains to avoid the bloodshed that would occur in the US for similar protests. I guess the difference is the direction of sanctions.

Still, when this situation with bloody crackdowns happens in third world countries it generally has led to civil war. With so many Democrats and Republicans focused on divisiveness.... Ready to jump on a bandwagon that could lead to civil war (or at least smoldering insurgencies).

It looks inevitable (trump is accelerating - destroying faith in SWIFT) that the US will lose its international currency status at some point in the not distant future. I would expect in the economic chaos of the adjustment we will see foreign amplification of protests in the US, the same as in Hong Kong today.

Whats good for the goose is good for the ...

casey

Singapore joining the Eurasian Economic Union's Trade Zone (with Iran & India in the wings) seems yet another link signaling a rapidly (dizzyingly) accelerating Eurasian integration, particularly against the backdrop of accelerating sanctions/tariff/threat blizzard from the West. Was Trump's threat to destroy the Turk economy a response to another seemingly important signal, the Rus-Turk move to bypass SWIFT?

prawnik

Even if Ze genuinely wanted to make peace with Russia, and even if he were prepared to admit that Crimea and Donbass are gone forever, Zelensky's American masters would never allow him to do so.

Trump may not care, but, as you said, Trump doesn't care. The State Department and the various alphabet agencies do care very much however, and Trump has proven to be pliable.

Andrey Subbotin

Data from macrotrends.net, life expectancy at birth 2000-2018
Ukraine 67.42 71.82 +4.4
Belarus 67.6 74.49 +6.9
Russia 65.4 72.29 +6.9

Data from indexmundi.com, life expectancy at birth 2000-2017
Ukraine 66 72 +6
Belarus 68.0 73.0 +5
Russia 67.2 71.0 +3.8

WHO data, life expectancy in 2018
Ukraine 72.5
Belarus 74.2
Russia 71.9

or check this google chart
https://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=sp_dyn_le00_in&idim=country:BLR:MDA:EST&hl=en&dl=en#!ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=sp_dyn_le00_in&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=region&idim=country:BLR:MDA:RUS:UKR&ifdim=region&hl=en_US&dl=en&ind=false

Data jumps quite a lot, but pretty clear Russia is not exceptional compared to its neighbors.

Russian ministry of health recently claimed that life expectancy increased by 7.7 years since 2000, including by 0.8 years in the last 6 months. This is probably where Amara claims come from. Maybe in the last year there was some breakthrough, but I'd take that with a grain of salt at this point.

catherine

MH17. This could become interesting: Netherlands MPs demand investigation into Ukraine's role. Do you think Zelensky might be tempted to blame his predecessors for that and the Maidan shooting>>>>>>>>>>

The Ukraine appears unable to escape its mafia oligarchs and Zelensky appears to have been the perfect sheep to trot out for the voters.

https://www.dcreport.org/2019/10/03/now-you-know-how-really-weird-this-whole-ukraine-thing-is/

“Since being elected Ukraine’s president in real life last April, Zelenskyy has often made it difficult for observers to understand whether he’s as idealistic as his fictional alter ego or a cynical protector of the status quo,” The Wall Street Journal reported.

But what if there was more? What if Zelenskyy’s boss was a Bond-esque villain, one of the richest and shadiest men in the world, a guy so tough that he crushed Russian separatists with his own paramilitary units,

That’s Ihor Kolomoisky, the oligarch worth an estimated $1.2 billion who owns the TV network that ran Zelenskyy’s “Servant of the People,”

Kolomoisky also allegedly managed to move $5.5 billion from his Ukraine bank, PrivatBank, which he founded in the 1990s, to a “branch” in Cyprus before it was nationalized in 2016 after years of fraud.

Kolomoisky fled to Israel and Switzerland shortly thereafter. Zelenskyy often flew to visit him in Geneva and Tel Aviv, according to the Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project.

But it would seem as if his election was all Kolomoisky needed to triumphantly return to the motherland—which he did as soon as Zelenskyy became president.

Zelenskyy, who used a bulletproof Mercedes during his campaign that was registered to a business associate of both his and Kolomoisky, has denied claims that he is a “puppet” of Kolomoisky.

One of Zelenskyy’s key advisers on his campaign and now in his administration is Andrei Bogdan, a former adviser to Kolomoisky.''

Patrick Armstrong

The extent to which Ze is a creature of Kol is a matter of much debate and, IMO, we don't yet have enough data to form a useful opinion. Strange as it may seem today, lots of "experts" were convinced that Putin was a creature of Berezovskiy and an intelligence agency not a million miles from were I sit thought for some years he was a tool of the Yeltsin "family". So Ze may surprise us yet. Or not.
As to weakening his opposition (Poro et al) an real investigation of the Maidan shootings will soon prove Ivan Katchanovsky correct that it was a false flag. Kol had nothing to do with that. As to MH17 it's a bit trickier because there is a school of thought that he had something to do with it.
Ze has a difficult path to tread -- without Washington, today's Ukraine is nowhere, therefore he must suck up to Trump as hard as he can go. One way is by revealing all to Barr & Co. Another might be to reveal the (Former) US administration's chicanery in the "revolution of dignity".
His election in a Trumpian world was unexpected in Kiev in all respects and creates a brand new situation.
More questions than answetrs.

Lyttennburgh

Dubious sourcing. I'm relying on domestic agencies in each county. Upon which they are relying? You did not provide the original sources. That WikiDorkian article that I cite originally at least has the decency of having a number of outgoing (official!) sources in the links.

One also has to point out (rather needlessly) that Russia had it worse compared to the Ukraine and Belorussia, given that the former shares a border with the Caucasus and Central Asia, which means - drug traffic (and other stuff).

Lyttennburgh

Not only that, catherine, but Ihor "Benya" Kolomoisky is also investigated by the FBI:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/billionaire-ukrainian-oligarch-ihor-kolomoisky-under-investigation-by-fbi

Pretty amazing, innit? This year's April start's with the stal-warts of the FBI starting to realize that maybe Kolomoysky acquired all these pieces of real estate with some dirty money. The April ends with Kolomoysky's candidate making to to the semi-finals of the Ukrainian steel cage match aka the Elections - and wins. Oh, and if you were wondering - yes, Israel has extradition treaty with the US. ;)

Just a thought experiment.In case of FBI being, ah, "thorough" - would the Ukraine extradite Benya to the US? Maybe - maybe! - Kolomoysly is searching for a safe harbour - in Russia?

JerseyJeffersonian

No to both initial questions; not a goldbug. My point? I despise the "elites" who torment whole nations. Didn't burn enough ants with magnifying glasses when kids I guess, on to bigger atrocities.

catherine

Agree.

But Zelenskyy’s cozy relationship with Kolomoisky is definitely not a good sign.

vig

ok, I never burned ants with a magnifying class. ... But then, why not? interesting image.

I despise the "elites" who torment whole nations.

I did struggle with the "elite" "elitist" argument from the time I first stumbeld it, ages ago. ... As argument, that is.

I recall & credit the Ukraine gold theft story.

Now this aspect or part of your story interests me. Ukrainian banks hoarded all that gold and sudddenly it was gone?

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