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14 October 2019

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prawnik

I like the Old Time country gospel music or black gospel, mainly because it deals in fear, tension, stress, sin and salvation.

Contemporary Christian Music ("CCM") for the most part, doesn't. It is competently played and produced, with no rough edges, but wven when they try to rock out, it's got all the emotional depth of a Hallmark Greetings card.

prawnik

I am not really a metal fan, but if there ever were a non-classical genre where the people were in it for the music, it has to be metal.

It's not like they are in it to get girls.

Larry Johnson

Well, you are totally lacking in "facts." The entire 0300 exercise program, which was put in place after the debacle of the Achille Lauro, was specifically designed to respond to an incident like Benghazi. Obama and Clinton refused to activate this plan that night. Part of the reason is they didn't want to draw attention to the fact that the CIA, via the base in Benghazi, was supplying arms to Syrian rebels, including folks with ties to Al Qaeda. You lack a lot of knowledge about the real facts. It was a scandal. Obama admin failed to act and left CIA contractors and the Ambassador exposed to risk that cost lives.

The Twisted Genius

Fred, is your "Bubbles" article ready for publishing or can you do it yourself?

JamesT

Both debka.com and almasdarnews.com are reporting that "the U.S. Armed Forces are not withdrawing from the eastern Euphrates River Valley region of Deir Ezzor or its plethora of oil fields".

So much for Presidential Authority.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-military-unlikely-to-withdraw-from-eastern-syria-and-its-oil-fields/

Factotum

LJ, everything I know about Benghazi I got from NQ - did you misdirect your comments?

Elora, you are right, The Black Hawk Down comparison was from the preface to a CNN report - so I guess that puts the entire allegation into the fake news dumper:

October 26th, 2012
01:28 AM ET
Panetta on Benghazi attack: 'Could not put forces at risk'
By Chris Lawrence

The U.S. military did not get involved during the attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi, Libya, last month because officials did not have enough information about what was going on before the attack was over, Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta said Thursday.

At a Pentagon news briefing, Panetta said there was no "real-time information" to be able to act on, even though the U.S. military was prepared to do so.

"You don't deploy forces into harm's way without knowing what's going on," Panetta said. "(We) felt we could not put forces at risk in that situation."

A defense official provided more context on Panetta's comments about the decision-making involved in not sending U.S. troops to the consulate being attacked in Benghazi.

He said there was a drone aloft but not directly over the area at the time the attack began.

He said the drone was redirected and arrived in time to record some of the attack. But he described what the drone saw as "looking down, seeing a bunch of buildings and fires, a lot of chaos on the ground."

The real Benghazi lessons

He said it was not enough to discern exactly what was happening.

"We didn't have good eyes on the situation. There were security forces there on the ground, but they're in the middle of a firefight - not sending a Sitrep (Situational Report).

The official could not reveal the specific reaction times for the military's Fleet Anti Terrorism Security Teams, which are classified, but said "it would be physically impossible for them to get there in time to intervene in that attack from say, Rota, Spain."

He cited the time it takes just to get their transportation in the air. The official said "these situations normally deteriorate over time ... but usually in a few days, not two hours." He explained that even quick-reaction teams are often positioned for places where intelligence shows a "deteriorating situation" near an embassy.

The official also provided context for Panetta's and Gen. Martin Dempsey's remarks about criticism on the response.

"It's not helpful to provide partial answers," Dempsey said. And Panetta criticized what he called "Monday morning quarterbacking."

The defense official said it was directed at criticism coming from pundits and Capitol Hill.

"In perfect hindsight, yes - we'd do it differently. But how it looks weeks later is not how it looked at the time.

"You had the movie, the 9/11 anniversary and unrest in various countries in that region. All that factored into the decision to put troops on a heightened state of alert. But that doesn't mean forces are positioned everywhere in the world, ready to run to the rescue. We're not the fire department. And there was no actionable intelligence that Benghazi was going to be attacked on 9/11."

Next month, the Democratic-led Senate Intelligence Committee will hold a closed hearing in Washington to review the security situation and intelligence surrounding the Benghazi attack, according to a committee announcement released Thursday.

The hearing, not open to the public, will review intelligence collection and threat reporting in Libya and other Middle East countries before the September 11 attack on the U.S. mission as well as what was known and who is responsible for the attack, among other issues.

A number of government investigations continue into what happened on the attack.

Doubts surface over e-mail on claim of responsibility for Benghazi attack

Factotum

Elora- avoiding a "Blackhawk Down" was part of the nationwide Benghazi Buzz - only Tommy Vietor refused to believe it.

QUORA: What exactly was the Benghazi scandal, and why do people think Hillary was to blame for it?
2 Answers

Ted Brewster
Ted Brewster, Ba Economics, University of Massachusetts, Boston

Answered Feb 27, 2019 · Author has 5.3k answers and 571k answer views
She was not directly to blame , although her department was involved in security decisions their

He implication that the attack was based “on a hateful vide” was a complete LIE and she knew it. what we do know id that for the entire 13 hours of the attack and thru 254 hours “not one wheel of a US military asset turned in the direction of benghazi”.

In other words, less than 2 months before the election , some foole decided that they could NOT risk a “black hawk down “ situation , no NO rescue effort was made ..those who ever though about it were told to stop......

Anonymous

Thanks for link but nothing new. all going to plan.Closing off the middle east oil fields will save the earth.Enough is enough.

jdledell

My son is married to a woman from Mongolia. They met will both were getting their Masters Degree at Keio Univeristy in Tokyo. Subsequently my wife and I have spent many months in Mongolia gettting to know the facinating country better. Most Mongolians do not revere Genghis Khan. He was just as ruthless with other Mongolian tribes as he was in his days of conquest of other countries. However, he is respected because when most people think of Mongolia, they only think the name Genghis Khan. Mongolians revere horses and it is the use of the military on horses that allowed Genghis Khan to win so many battles - soldiers on foot stood no chance.

The Mongolian people are open, friendly and quite generous. This is because on land about the size of the U.S. about 75% of the 3 million people live in the capital of Ulan Bator that leaves about 700,000 people scattered across hundreds of thousands of square miles. Out side the capital there are literally no roads so you travel with 4 wheeel drive trucks by the sun or GPS. It is not unusual to drive hundreds of miles and not see a single human being or human structure. So when a Mongolian resident sees the dust kicked up by a traveling truck they rush out to greet the visitor and invite them for a meal. It might be weeks before they see another person outside their own family.

I could tell many stories about this strange and wonderful land and it's people. After spending many nights in a Yert in the middle of nowhere some day I should relate the story and pictures of my Mongolian relatives worrying about our western toilet needs bought a baby blue toilet and stuck out in a pasture over a hole they dug so we could be comfortable. It was an amazing sight seeing this baby blue toilet out on the prairie when there was nothing else around for 100 miles.

Several nights we were entertained by men doing their throat singing to the sounds of a Morin Khuur, the two strin instrument you see in the video. It is an exotic experience to listen to those mournful sounds out in the middle of nowhere. Many thanks for bringing this obscure video to a wider audience.

Jackrabbit

My take:

https://jackrabbit.blog/2019/10/17/trump-turkey-and-syrian-kurds-whats-really-going-on/">Trump, Turkey and the Syrian Kurds: What's Really Going On

The Turk-US tiff could well be arranged. US delayed a Turk incursion for many months. The timing - just as Idlib was close to falling - is suspicious.

There are now reports that USA may seek to retain control of the oil fields.

If Kurds won't fight with SAA against former SDF comrades (backed by USA), then what has SAA gained except the responsibility of patrolling a long border? SAA would then face a choice: fight SDF for oil fields or fight for Idlib.

Has Turkey kicked USA out or kicked SAA in the shins (hobbling their ability to fight)? SNA can redeploy to Idlib while Turkey pins down thousands of SAA troops at the northeastern border.

Factotum

Dedicated to Hawaiian Tulsi Gabbard when realizes she is a Republican: Somewhere Over the Rainbow and It's a Wonderful World, sung by the master: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z26BvHOD_sg&app=desktop

The Twisted Genius

Factotum, thanks for that masterpiece from IZ. I first heard that at a moment in my life that I really needed it. As far a s Tulsi goes, she is Bernie-type progressive. She is also a strong denouncer of all things neocon. That should be a tenet of both Republicans and Democrats. Unfortunately that not so... yet.

Babak Makkinejad

This irregular warfare already had been tried by European states in the Mediterranean sea as well the Caribbean sea and the Atlantic ocean, see Johnson's History of Pirates first published in 1724.

Babak Makkinejad

US spent 50 billion on Syria. Gulfies, probaby another 70, 80 billion.

Ishmael Zechariah

rjj,
Here are five selections:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXw3f9YTqV0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuIQNN94MQI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm_AFS7uDAA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DswfO-EfVl0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYOSc4ON-fw

Perhaps one of them would serve.
Ishmael Zechariah

fanto

I could sing you a song about it, in C-Dur, not in A-moll...:) And I agree about the CMM; going to a funeral in Jamaica and listening to people, mourners singing a cappella was unforgettable experience.

fanto

An Armenian friend loaned me a book about the Armenians fate at the hands of Turks, and in it I remember the role of Kurds was mentioned, as "willing participants" in the slaughter. The town of Van used to be Armenian, IIRC. Unfortunately I do not remember the title of the book. Some Kurds have also made themselves very unpopular in Germany - family gangs and fights - also in Sweden, where a Kurd has attacked my nephew with a knife, injuring his shoulder joint so that the nephews career as a swimmer was over. They are no angels, as Trump mentioned (he was right on that, for a change).

Fred

TTG,

Got delayed with family matters. I will have it finished mid-morning Friday.

different clue

Thank you for the kind words. Yes, I too think the changes are within the brain itself .. . neuroplastically re-wiring itself to engage with a "pressure-injection" digital stimulus environment.

I once thought of a way to see how much long-focused-attention-span pain some of today's digital kids can stand. Gather some kids around a very large stump. Show the kids a fifty dollar bill. Put a snail in the center of the stump. If any kid can sit there watching the snail till it reaches the edge of the stump, that kid gets the fifty dollars.

oldman22


The State Department has just published the historical record of the USA coup of Iran, and Bacevich has just written a review of it.
Highly recommended, many details and surprises(to me), far too much for me to restate.
Read it here:
https://outline.com/J5RjZZ

oldman22

Pardon me, the Bacevich article is a year old, just new to me.

CK

You might enjoy this article re the Kurds
https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/most-folks-who-have-never-been-to-iraq-think-of-the-kurds-as-some-noble-non-islamic-ally-well-theyre-a-bit-better-than-the-typical-islamic-but-not-a-hell-of-a-lot/
a bit different evaluation of our "great and glorious middle eastern ally."

CK

The Union did have a friend in that war:
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2019/10/16/russia-and-the-united-states-the-forgotten-history-of-a-brotherhood/
1881 is a most interesting year in American Russian relations.

j

TTG,

For your listening pleasure, here's Tatar throat singing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0lVI1RMySc

j

TTG,

Here's another one I think you'll enjoy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz7Bt-zERQc

Hassak - Аманат

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