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03 October 2019

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Martin Oline

After the last ice age, about 15,000 BC, the sea level rose about 400 feet. I live in Florida and if it raises another 20 feet, I'll deal with it then. Ignorance is bliss and I'm a happy guy.

Lars

I hope you know how to slow dance. A lot of people, including me, have seen weather change lately compared to how it used to be. We have also seen the world population increase substantially in our lifetime.

Then there is the majority of scientist who claim what is causing this.

turcopolier

lars

BS, leftist hysteria and fantasy. Are you that gullible , really? Did you believe in Iraqi WMD? Same sort of log-rolling. Most scientists? What a joke! I m an expert at generating false beliefs in the masses. Climate changes. that is all.

Markopasha

I am sadly old enough to have lived through the new ice age scare, then it was nuclear holocaust, then it was acid rain, then the ozone layer, and now global warming.

Are there any I missed?

A. Pols

I agree with the "BS, leftist hysteria and fantasy". I've gone to the trouble of researching available stable site weather stations here in the US. There are only a few stable site stations with at least a century of continuous records. What I mean by stable site stations is as follows: The instrument location must have been constant; it cannot have moved, for example, from bottom land to hilltop in the same vicinity. The instrument site must not have become surrounded by urban development after having been previously in open country. The reason for this is microclimates have a big effect. An example of this is Wash. DC. Observation sites that in 1900 were semi rural are now heavily urbanized and this is reflected in higher average temperatures, but this is all due to the urban heat island effect. Therefore those stations' observations must be discarded when looking for evidence of general warming. Discarding non stable site stations and concentrating on the stable sites shows overall temperature trends since a century prior are remarkably stable. NOAA maintains a climate database that anyone can access for free. The two I have looked at are Charlottesville's McCormick observatory and the one at Dale Enterprise outside Harrisonburg. Both show remarkable long term consistency. I think a large part of the near universal perception of warmer conditions is related to the concentration of vocal public intellectual types in the big urban centers which have warm microclimates and the other factor is the selective memory many people have about weather. Their memory is largely composed of vignettes rather than a complete timeline and such individuals remember weather events in terms of extremes, which lead to such nonsense I hear from people around Charlottesville such as: "when we were kids the snow stayed on the ground from Thanksgiving until Easter" This is from people younger than I am and they believe their memories. I'm am oddity in that I retain full continuity of memory about many things and recall the exact timelines of weather events that play tricks on many people's recollections. I also tend to look up stuff to corroborate what my recall tells me. So, at least here in mid-latitude east coast there is simply no evidence that the climate of today differs in any way from that of a century ago.

turcopolier

markopasha

How about the millennial crash of civilization? The climateers are the kind of people who would have bought a lot of tulips.

Fred

Lars,

Have you sold your Florida home and moved to higher ground yet?

Babak Makkinejad

Earth is warming, caused by gradual changes in 3 parameters of its orbital motion. See please "Ice Ages and Astronomical Causes" by Dr. Mueller. And nothing can be done about it.

Babak Makkinejad

The issue is man's contribution to the inevitable global warming. What percentage is due to man's activities and what percentage resulting from changes to orbital motion? One can make a lot of money from gullible people.

fotokemist

In case anyone missed it, Mish Shedlock published an amusing summary of the fraudulent data practices that are being used in the attempt to shove the 'Green New Deal' through. The link is: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/global-warming-fraud-exposed-pictures

Rick Merlotti

Climate Alarmism is a religious cult akin to the Flagellants, neo-flagellants, if you will. They hate themselves and humanity in general. They want to kill billions of humans to “save the earth”. The earth will be fine, thank you, if we can expel these maniacs from polite society.

Petrel

May I endorse the opinion of A Pols about temperature changes around instrument sites. A case in point is the meteorological site at Reagan National Airport. Formerly a 20 ft x 20 ft green sward in the midst of more green sward located on landfill dumped on the wide Potomac River floodplain, the site is now a 20 ft x 20 ft well surrounded by three floors of an office building.

Diana C

You missed the overpopulation scare that asked us to believe we would soon be eating "soylent green."

My personal belief was that this particular scar was started by the people who were anti Catholics--you know those people who did/do not like birth control AND by the hippies who just wanted to engage in sex, drugs, and rock and roll without having to worry about the consequences.

Heck....I saw a video tonight on television of a deranged young woman so worried about climate change that she felt we needed to "eat babies." (I couldn't follow her reasoning, thus my determination that she was deranged.)

As for me, I believe that God created the world, and to me that means the universe in which it is located) and IT IS GOOD. But then, I grew up in and still live in a place where I get to see nature every day and take week-end trips into farmland and rocky mountains with mountain streams and high mountain lakes.

My hometown is known for the smell of feedlots that sometimes is wafted into the downtown from the east. In our case, it's not the flatulence that bothers us but the lack of cow toilets I guess.

catherine

Climate change?

I think there are 'natural climate cycles', the Ice Age, etc, already proven.
But I also think humans do add to it with more pollution and more extinction of certain species. Therefore reducing what we can is the prudent thing to do. Living on the ocean all my life I have seen the 'natural cycles'..such as one beach shrinking and another growing due to the ocean's movements. But then I have also seen the side of a mountain forest die due to pollution from a factory,erasing the trees that clean the air and destroying wildlife habitats .
Since the earth doesnt need humans but we need it to live on common sense says we should do what we can to lessen, not add to any negative effects of the natural cycles.

TonyL

Colonel,

This is from NASA website:

"Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals1 show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree*: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. In addition, most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position. The following is a partial list of these organizations, along with links to their published statements and a selection of related resources."

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/


Bill H

I lived in south central Kansas in the early 1950s and having anywhere from six to as many as a dozen tornadoes reported every day for several weeks at a time during the summer was not at all unusual. I watch the "weather reporting" hysteria on the national news today and just laugh.

Ingolf Eide

I'm no climate expert and don’t have the knowledge (or any desire) to debate the science. FWIW after starting out as something of a sceptic 15-20 years ago I ended up coming down on the other side of this issue.

To my mind, Nassim Taleb has the right approach:

“This leads to the following asymmetry in climate policy. The scale of the effect must be demonstrated to be large enough to have impact. Once this is shown, and it has been, the burden of proof of absence of harm is on those who would deny it.

It is the degree of opacity and uncertainty in a system, as well as asymmetry in effect, rather than specific model predictions, that should drive the precautionary measures. Push a complex system too far and it will not come back. The popular belief that uncertainty undermines the case for taking seriously the ’climate crisis’ that scientists tell us we face is the opposite of the truth. Properly understood, as driving the case for precaution, uncertainty radically underscores that case, and may even constitute it."

https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/895790889171386369

Jack

We have over a century of weather data at our ranch. We have seen temperature and rainfall extremes distributed across that time horizon. I have to conclude that there are no patterns or trends at our ranch.

I would argue that what we have is man made pollution. Plastic and chemical waste, polluted creeks and streams and increased particulate matter in the air in some places like Beijing and New Delhi. Deforestation and habitat destruction are also issues.

Carbon trading and offsets are another scheme for financial interests to make money.

turcopolier

Ingolf Eide

"Once this is shown, and it has been," It has not bee SHOWN. Peer reviewed academic studies generally prove one thing and that is that academics are conformists who seek approval from other academics.

Babak Makkinejad

It is worse in this specific case, the consensus, at times, rests on the agreement with (and among) 6 global climate models. I do not trust those models to embody Climate Science Truths.

Babak Makkinejad

Appeal to Authority? What is this, a religion?

Please see here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles

Fred

A. Pols,

"vocal public intellectual types .... "

Someone's wallet is about to get beaten paper-thin by a hockeystick.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/8/28/1881956/-Tim-Ball-Pleads-For-Mercy-As-An-Irrelevant-Sick-Old-Man-Gets-It-Declares-Victory

https://www.steynonline.com/9762/michael-e-mann-loser-and-liar-and-scofflaw

Vig

Or scientist are experts "at generating false beliefs in the masses"?

Fred

TonyL,

Trust the government:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/30/health/red-meat-heart-cancer.html
"researchers produced a series of analyses concluding that the advice, a bedrock of almost all dietary guidelines, is not backed by good scientific evidence."

Evidence. Why I bet these scientists were all trained at schools that knew there were only 2 genders.

Patrick Armstrong

Yeah. You missed the Great Global Warming Scare of the 1930s.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/dozens-failed-climate-predictions-stretch-80-years-back

All my life somebody (with lots of scientists real and assumed) has been telling me We Are Doomed!!!

All that changes is the cause of the doom.

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