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18 October 2019


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Ishmael Zechariah

Fellow pilgrims,
You might find the second Meyssan article interesting. It is titled "Kurdistan, Imagined by French Colonialism". The introduction is sure to bring howls of protest from our local kurd-lovers, but it is historically true: " Contrary to popular belief, Rojava is not a state for the Kurdish people, but a French fantasy of the interwar period. The aim was to create a rump state with Kurds equivalent to Greater Israel, which was being considered with Jews. This colonial objective was reactivated by Presidents Sarkozy, Hollande and Macron including the ethnic cleansing of the region intended to host it. The fellow provides references. Those wishing to dispute him should provide their own references from verifiable sources. https://www.lewrockwell.com/2019/10/thierry-meyssan/kurdistan-imagined-by-french-colonialism/

There has been some assertions here that Israel does not support PKK. Former IDF deputy chief Maj. Gen. Yair Golan stated that the Kurdish PKK fighting Turkey is not a terrorist organization (https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/ex-idf-deputy-chief-says-pkk-not-terror-group-1.5450379 ). This was disputed by netenyahu (https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Netanyahu-rejects-claim-PKK-not-terrorists-but-supports-Kurdish-state-504962 ). It is clear that someone was speaking off script. A reasonable overview of the complex relationship between PKK/YPG and Israel can be found in https://www.meforum.org/3838/israel-kurds . Here is a quote: "On the Israeli side, there have been ambiguous declarations. Foreign Minister Avigdor Liberman was quoted as saying that Jerusalem might support the PKK against Turkey. Although such statements were denied later, they gave fertile ground to long-standing conspiracy theories in Ankara . IMO, here the Joseph Heller quote from Catch-22 applies:"Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you.

One person who could comment with authority on the subject, if he is back from his deployment and is permitted to do so, is our fellow pilgrim, Patrick Bahzad. In a previous exchange he stated that, if the kurds lost access to the Med, they would have no future as an independent state. This prediction is now coming to pass.

Ishmael Zechariah

Babak Makkinejad

It was US, it seems to me, that had been nurturing another KRG in Syria. Which was intolerable to any Turkish government.
It was an insane policy to treat a old member NATO alliance so shabbily and for waht? To discomfit Iran? And to discomfit her to help Israel?
I must confess that I keep on looking for Harpo Marx in all of this.

JP Billen

Erdogan's talking point that the Kurds want access to the Mediterranean is BS and a red herring, a decoy to deceive the Turkish people.

Just how were the Kurds supposed to get to the coast? Liberate Alexandretta, what Turks call Hatay, and annex the port of Iskenderun? The danger to Hatay is from Assad and NOT from the Kurds. Official Syrian maps still show your Hatay province as part of Syria, as they do with the Golan, despite the Israeli/Trump claim. There are millions of Syrians who still say "We are coming Antakya!"

Or maybe you think the YPG can snatch up Latakia? No way! Alawites backed up by the SAA and the Russians would never allow that to happen. Geography proves that Erdogan has been lying about this.

Ishmael Zechariah

JP Billen,
I have been dealing with separatist kurds far before tayyip appeared on the scene. The Mediterranean gateway has always been foremost on their minds. Here are some references:
1-A youtube video:
2-From a Kurdish source with the title: "Kurds seek to connect Syrian Kurdistan with Mediterranean Sea . Here is an excerpt: "Hediya Yousef, head of the Kurdish federalism project, said in an interview with the Observer that Syrian Kurds wanted more territory in the north, in return for helping the US retake Raqqa from Islamic State IS Daesh. He claimed the Kurds had a “legal right” to create a trade corridor to the Mediterranean (https://ekurd.net/syrian-kurdistan-mediterranean-sea-2017-05-08 ). Rather unambiguous. Has nothing to do w/ tayyip either.
3-Here is another bit from 2010: "For the first time the golden opportunity is landed in Kurdistan. Kurdistan land is the gateway to connect between Mediterranean Sea and the land of Airyanem (Iranian) people from Pakistan to Turkey and from Kurdistan to former Soviet Union countries https://ekurd.net/mismas/articles/misc2010/6/turkey2696.htm )
Here is another map of Kurdish origin:
And here is where CIA thinks they are:

Try to read up a bit before making baseless assertions.

Ishmael Zechariah


Ishmael, you are really grasping at straws now. You are touting old ethnographic maps and agitprop as proof that the Kurds want to steal Turkish land to get a seaport.

Your point #1 the Youtube video shows just that, old ethnic maps of Kurds in the Middle East. Most are antique and are from a variety of sources. The lead one is Japanese, but probably copied from an old German or French anthropologist’s book or article. And yes it shows Kurds near the Mediterranean in the Taurus Range and in the hills and plains of Mersin, Adana, and northern Hatay. As you should already know there were many Kurds living in those provinces historically. And they are still there today, although they are probably Turkified to keep from being assaulted or worse by AKP thugs or its predecessors.

Re your point #2, the ekurd.net article about Hediya Yousef wanting a trade route to the sea: If you had looked at the bottom of the article you would have seen that it is attributed to Sputnik News and not to Yousef herself nor to any other Kurdish sources. Secondly ekurd is not a PKK paper and is no longer a daily, not much more than a newsletter. It is run by a Kurdish-American shopkeeper (his day job is selling spices) in the Kips Bay neighborhood of Manhattan on the corner of Lexington and East 29th St. It is one of many published for the Kurdish diaspora in America and Canada that fled Saddam’s Anfal in Iraqi Kurdistan. It stays alive by $10 and $20 donations from Nashville, Toronto, and Montreal. Furthermore Hediya Yousef does NOT advocate Kurdish secession from Syria and said so on record several times. Here are two links, one to London’s Daily Star, the other to Sputnik (based on an interview she gave to the Socialist Gazette):

Your Point #3: Another ekurd.net article. This one written by a professor of Electrical Engineering in Colorado, a romanticist who fantasizes about “The Return of the Medes”. He has written a book with that title based on ancient astrological predictions. A former Iraqi Kurd with a pipe dream, certainly not a PKK activist.

Your link to the Kurdish Project map: That is just another ethnic map of Kurdish populations in the Middle East and showing Kurds in Turkey’s Adana province. Like your point #1. It is definitely not a proposed corridor to the sea for a breakaway Kurdish Republic. The Kurdish Project is not affiliated with the PKK; they are a Kurdish-American nonprofit trying to raise awareness of Kurds and Kurdish culture. Founder is Fred (Farhad) Khosravi, engineer turned medical device inventor and businessman, and a son of the diaspora:

Your link to a CIA map: You are joking right? You do realize that the CIA got whatever info is on the Turkish part of that map from your MIT, right? I suspect you are trying to throw sand in my eyes. Either that or you are seeing PKK bogeymen in the closet and under the bed plotting to seize Iskenderun and give the port its Kudish name, ‘Iskenderona’.

Ishmael Zechariah

You are a propagandist grasping at straws. Here is another link:
There are many such on the web. I suggest you also read the Yinon Plan. The separatist kurds collaborated w/ the ziocons, and lost. We were/are not fighting against the kurds, we were/are fighting against the ziocons. No amount of BS will change this fact.
Your "peace-loving, democratic kurds" story would fool no one in Turkey, except, maybe, some "useful idiots". We fixed their clock-and will keep doing so as necessary.
Ishmael Zechariah

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