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Keith Harbaugh

In a 15 minute interview with George Stephanopoulos,
Rudy makes an impassioned effort to give visibility to some of the affidavits he has been given, notably one from Shokin, dated 2019-09-04, in which Shokin swears (emphasis added)

8. I was forced out because I was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into Burisma Holdings ...

9. On several occasions President Poroshenko asked me to have a look at the criminal case against Burisma and consider the possibility of winding down the investigative actions in respect of this company, but I refused to close this investigation.
...
In my conversations with Poroshenko at the time, he was emphatic that
I should cease my investigations regarding Burisma.
When I did not, he said that the US (via Biden) was refusing to release the US $1 billion promised to Ukraine.
He said that he had no choice, therefore, but to ask me to resign.

The above is being totally ignored by the media, whose standard line regarding this matter is, for example
As vice president, Biden pressured Ukraine to fire the top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, who Biden and other Western officials said was not sufficiently pursuing corruption cases. At the time,
the investigation into Burisma was dormant, according to former Ukrainian and U.S. officials.
One wonders how they can get away with ignoring that Sorkin statement.

I note that TTG claims, in his remarks above, that Sorkin was corrupt.
Does he have proof of that? If so, what? Media reports?????
Note that if Sorkin is lying in the affidavit, he is liable for prosecution for that.

And God damn the Democrats
(is that too strong for this blog? If so delete it, or change "God damn" to "curse" which should be acceptable, I hope.)
for doing everything they can to keep these matters from being investigated.
What total rotters they are, trying to prevent any investigation which might harm their interests.
Talk about obstruction of justice!
And note how the media refers to such publicly useful, prophylactic, investigations as "digging for dirt".

J

Joe Biden's son was kicked out of the Navy Reserve for testing positive for Cocaine.

Factotum

Prior to the public release of the Whistleblower report, but shortly after receiving the complaint, Adam Schiff sent a staffer to Ukraine.

From RedState: ....."That trip was paid for by the Atlantic Council.

One of the senior fellows of the Council is CrowdStrike founder Dmitri Alperovitch. You may recall Crowdstrike is the company that supposedly concluded the Russians were behind the hack of the DNC in 2016 during the campaign. The FBI never had access to the server. Trump asked about Crowdstrike on the call with the Ukrainian president.

According to the transcript, Trump told Zelensky, “I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say CrowdStrike … I guess you have one of your wealthy people…The server, they say Ukraine has it.”

Two prominent names are among the folks who fund the Atlantic Council. One is George Soros’ Open Society Foundation. And the other? Burisma, the company which appointed Hunter Biden to its board and who the subject of the investigation that was allegedly stopped when Biden pressured Ukraine, according to the prosecutor who was fired. .......... (RedState)

Factotum

Biden and Son is testing positive for collusion with Ukraine and Crowdstrike right now.

Fred

Factotum,

If it is a trip on official government business it should not be paid for by an NGO. The important question is not who is on the Atlantic Council but where are the servers.

David Habakkuk

Factotum and all,

There is an interesting piece in the Unz Review by Israel Shamir.

He suggests that the reference to the server refers not to one used by the DNC, but rather to one which Alperovitch and his Ukrainian co-conspirators used in their 'false flag' hack. And he also identifies the oligarch to whom Trump is referring is Victor Pinchuk.

(See http://www.unz.com/ishamir/the-biden-affair-in-the-ukraine/)

While claims made by Shamir should certainly not be taken as gospel, he is often well worth listening to.

His general picture of how large elements in the Ukrainian elite put a lot of eggs in the Clinton basket seems to me persuasive. What could naturally be expected is that some of the opponents of these people will be feeding information to people on Trump's side of the fence.

II is far too early to be categorical, but the possibility should not be discounted that behind Trump's apparently eccentric remarks may be much more information about what Alperovitch et al -- including Matt Tait -- were up to than it is judged prudent to reveal at this time.

Irrespective of whether or not Trump was referring to a Ukrainian server, an absolutely critical question remains what became of the server or servers which are supposed to have been hacked -- and also, to the final versions of Alperovitch's reports.

If these still exist, there must be a way in which competent people can perform the kind of objective analysis that Alperovitch was patently not qualified to do.

If on the other hand this crucial evidence has been destroyed, then an understanding of the circumstances in which it was done might contribute materially to unraveling the coup plot.

Keith Harbaugh
The important question is not who is on the Atlantic Council but where are the servers.
Fred, let me mention a lesson I learned when I was a junior officer working for the DCSR&D (Deputy Chief of Staff for Research and Development) of the USASA. Sometimes we would have to visit the "Department of Resource Management" to get approval for some change we wanted to make WRT the various contracts for which we had responsibility. That dept. was, I think, analogous to a "Comptroller" in a corporation. It tried to assure that the budgetary priorities of the DCSR&D, as approved by the CG, were obeyed. Anyhow, to impress all us junior officers, there was a large plaque up on the wall, labeled The Golden Rule. Under that was The Golden Rule, for that office: "He who has the gold makes the rules." Get it, Fred? I want to emphasize how important money flows are in determining policy, and the policies advocated by the "think-tanks" such as the Atlantic Council.

As to the AC funding a trip by congressional staffer, I agree that seems against the ethical rules.

turcopolier

Keith Harbaugh

You are concerned about climat warming. Write something and post it under the last open thread.

Fred

Keith,

I'm in agreement with the need to follow the flow of money. The revolving door of people into think tanks or academia, coincides with the flow of people into and out of various administrations, like we've seen in the past. In this case the ideological flow has been disrupted by Trump's election. All the left and a significant portion of the right are in a panic due to far more than the money the Atlantic Council pays some careerist and not even who puts what amount of money into the Atlantic Council. Billions of dollars in military aid money, investment money due to regulatory changes (or their erasure), and direct and indict aid from not only the US but the IMF, the World Bank and the UN are at stake with Trump remaining in office and getting re-elected.

The servers, well they would provide actual evidence of who did precisely what to whom and who actually within our government and outside of it were involved. See David's comments.

BTW there is far more than just money involved. The social disruption of these characters is global in scale. Just look at the mass migrations of peoples across the planet. They are being caused by far more than avarice by those who are already rich.

Barbara Ann

Tantalizing. Thanks for the link to Shamir's Unz piece. The transcript makes a lot more sense if Trump is talking about a server Crowdstrike may have used in Ukraine to hack the DNC - to leave those 'Russian' fingerprints.

Factotum

I thought there was internal downloading on the DNC computers; not outside hacks - Russian or Ukrainian or whatever.

Eureka Springs

This article makes a case that five freshman Dems with a background in national security played a significant role. I don't know, but seems unlikely they are Marxists.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/28/politics/badass-women-impeachment-democrats-oped/index.html

(CNN)When a group of moderate House freshmen Democrats moved from hard no to hell yes on starting an impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump, they changed the dynamic for House Democrats, and indeed -- the course of history.
The reason they made their announcement and explained their reasoning as a group, in an op-ed in The Washington Post, is because they had already formed a bond over their national security background -- especially the five women: Elissa Slotkin of Michigan and Abigail Spanberger of Virginia, both ex-CIA officers; Chrissy Houlahan of Pennsylvania who was in the Air Force; Mikie Sherrill of New Jersey and Rep. Elaine Luria of Virginia were Naval officers.
They met on the 2018 campaign trail as first time candidates who kept bumping into each other at events with mutual donors and supporters.

Fred

Eureka,

Last night one of the Detroit stations had video of the "Town Hall" Slotkin put on earlier at a gun range. Brilliant provocation by the "common sense" gun control congresswoman. She or her staff booked the event by naming themselves as a "pro-life" group - nothing duplicitous about that, we all expect members of congress to blatantly lie to us -she then proceeded to provoke people present by telling everyone the NRA has to go. Result: film at 10, and 11 and 24hrs a day online. Then of course there was the inevitable "I feel concerned for my safety" comment from the brave veteran.

Can you shout "Reg Flag!Red Flag!" Dear MI police, please come and take the guns away from all these people at the gun club. Why look at this video of events, look at that man with the gun. I felt fear. I'm sure a member of congress is a credible person to make a red flag law complaint.

Boy are those Republicans in studid. Common sense disarmament, courtesy of brave women with a background in national security playing a role. Needless to say she didn't do this in downtown Detroit or address gang on civilian violence or common sense criminal control. That would violate the narrative.

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