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02 July 2019

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Factotum

Cost effective is letting personal choices play out to their known and expected consequences. It is not cost effective attempting to rescuing those who continually make poor decisions. If addicts insist on using dirty needles in pursuit of their drug addictions, why should the US taxpayer be forced to intervene?

optimax

It should be a needle exchange and not just a needle giveaway, where the needles are left on the ground and endanger innocent people and pets, infecting them with disease. You should think about the impact on society as a whole--the fricking working people have rights too.

Pathological altruism is when a person, or persons, think they are helping another person but actually harming them. Junkies and mentally ill living on the street are killing themselves. The mentally ill need supervision. I saw a mentally ill man living under a tree in a park near my house surrounded by garbage. How is this good for him? A junky needs around $1800 a month to feed his habit, and he makes his money by stealing whatever he thinks he can sell. A man living in a tent with 10 bicycles isn't practicing for the tour de france. Even if the police arrest him with stolen property he is released in a few days. Records show some of these thieves on the street have been arrested a dozen times or more. These people are more likely to die because Portland's absurdly liberal policies keep them from hitting bottom, which, if you know anything about addiction, is when an addict realizes he needs to change his life around. And jail is a concrete bottom. Of course, once in jail you have to offer them treatment. A few men I know changed their lives around after spending time in jail.
They weren't junkies, just on the wrong track.

optimax

Acoustic MuffleCone of Silence. I like that. The msm is the propaganda department of der borg.

different clue

Thank you for the kind words. Feel free to use it wherever you may think it appropriate. Perhaps it could become a launchable meme. ( I remember when 'memes' were viralizable ideas which could be expressed in words just as well as pictures.)

different clue

Some of the nicest people have relations with anomymous sex workers on the sly. If communicable diseases are rampant within that drug-addicted sex worker population, some of those diseases can be spread to some of those nicest people. If a small expense in needle exchanges can prevent such diseases from spreading around, the costs not incurred through cases of these diseases not happening would certainly make the costs of the needle exchanging cost effective.

Unless, of course, some of the nicest people decide to put a voluntary stop to their own sex-seeking behavior. Or unless, of course, we decide to let the personal choices of some of the nicest people play out to their known and expected consequences . . . meaning not spending any money treating their disease acquired from their own sex-seeking behavior.

I believe in Britain and Portugal, registered injectable-drug addicts are not permitted to self-inject wherever they like. They have to report to addiction containment-and-maintainance centers to get their maintainance injections one dose at a time behind controlled doors. Or so I have read.

Fred

Factotum,

"goons from "persuading" everyone to keep paying their dues."

Feel free to supply some actual evidence of that. Changes to state law in Wisconsin allowed thousands of employees to stop paying for union political activities via mandatory dues.

Amir

Because otherwise the US taxpayer is going to be forced to pay for anti-retroviral or anti-Hep B or now the even more expensive Hep C drugs, to treat these people who would not have been infected (if we prevent their first wrong choice to be compounded by a second wrong choice) if clean needles are distributed. Best way is to avoid risk altogether, da!
In the meanwhile, if you think all homeless people should not be treated in an ER, please clearly express your opinion and start a new political pressure group to push for that change. In the meanwhile, as the laws CURRENTLY stand and as we have an obligation to treat, preventing fire is cheaper that putting it down.

Keith Harbaugh

These developments, in both politics and the wider culture, were foreshadowed by the radicalism of the Weather Underground in the 1960s and 70s,
especially its hatred (definitely not too strong a word) for the values of the American establishment and population of the time.
For a reminder (or an introduction, for those not so old) to their views, please see
https://spectator.org/54386_patriot-larry-grathwohl-65-infiltrated-weather-underground-indicted-bill-ayers/
At the beginning of that is a reference to "a Hatchet Force unit of the U.S. Army’s 101st Airborne Division" in VN.
Colonel, have you ever heard of such a thing?

Tom Wonacott

The far left end of the Democratic party has hijacked the Party. The Centrist are clearly fearful of challenging the AOC wing (Biden was a classic example). As much as anything, this shows the state of the Democratic Party. Their weak response to the far left boost Trump for 2020.

optimax

Thanks, I would have stolen it anyway. I also have culturally appropriated Hawiain Shirts.

Factotum

You would need to follow the facts about "union thugs" on website Freedom Foundation, which tracks the teachers unions post-Janus. Freedom Foundation also just got a nice court settlement check from the SEIU for forging a signature to a union membership card. Lots of strong arm tactics used to keep the union dues flowing ,as well as proposed legislation to let the public unions skim it directly off the top of the government paychecks ...again. Sign up for their printed newsletter "Living Liberty" to stay on top of this issue, since you are interested in the facts.

John Minehan

An acquaintance, a Baptist Pastor and Airborne/Ranger Infantry Combat Vet, went to the Border a while back before it became trendy. He was appalled by the conditions.

The Obama Administration did not have a handle on this and the Trump Administration has doubled down on this and cut the funding.

Someone needs to get a handle on this. This is a shanda.

John Minehan

Puerto Rico IS part of the United States, however.

John Minehan

AOC has a lot in common with Henry Clay.

Like Clay, she is the child of a successful, self-made man who over-extended himself and died young and in debt.

She comes from a group, as Clay did, who are just coming into political power.

Like Clay, she is a young person in a big hurry.

I would suspect, like Clay, she might be in too big a hurry and might not understand the need to consolidate her position, which (like Clay) might deny AOC the very top roles in government.

But the great thing about Clay was who he influenced in the next generation (Lincoln). One wonders who AOC will influence as time goes on?

John Minehan

I suspect that will be Harris or Warren.

John Minehan

If not Pompeo or Bolton, then who?

The people who could handle those positions (AND get confirmed, there are, of course. many Foreign Service Officers who could be good SecStates and lots of people from the IC, the Military and Academia who could be successful NSAs) are not enthusiastic about working for Trump, something considered to be a blot on the old CV.

I think that, as much as anything else, is what will ensure the Trump Presidency is a 'one-term proposition."

turcopolier

John Minehan

Freedom for Puerto Rico!

John Minehan

And they eliminated, in AOCs' case, a White, Irish, Machine Pol, who had no more in common with that District than the man in the moon; it was basically a "Rotten Borough" situation like in early 19th and late 18th Century English politics.

AOC's victory is analogous (with a more photogenic protagonist) to Dan O'Connell running for Albany County Assessor in 1919, still wearing his Navy uniform, and setting back the Sassanach (although O'Connell usually used them for front-men there after, they Irish were content to pull the strings).

The rise of people like AOC isn't a grand Red conspiracy, it is the unfolding of American political history that brought you people like Dan O'Connell and Henry Clay in years past.

Fred

Factotum,

Severice Employees International Union does not represent teachers or government employees as I've pointed out to you a couple of times.

Fred

John,

The commonwealth has been run by Democrats for a couple generations.

Fred

John,

So she's going to negotiate a "Puerto Rico" Compromise on how many immigrants come into the US or is she going to support tariffs to help domestic Industry - like Henry Clay?

John Minehan

Ojalá que, coronel; si Dios quiere . . . .

Eric Newhill

Amir,
He was USMC. He fought the Japs.

Eric Newhill

Amir,
Nah. It has been demonstrated repeatedly in scientifically sound studies that they have an avg IQ that is a standard deviation below white's avg (100) and even farther below Jews and Asians. They simply can't follow the bouncing ball. So they put their limited brain power to work trying to figure out why they perennially fail, even in the country of origin (heck entire continent in the case of Africa) and they conclude that their failure is due to racism.

turcopolier

John Minehan

Ojala que Puerto Rico sale manana.

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