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11 July 2019

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JamesT

I have a vivid memory of taking an overnight train from Warsaw to Moscow in 1998 - and stopping in Brest while they changed the undercarriage from the European track gauge to the Russian one. It took a while.

Google tells me that both China and Europe share the same track gauge - so perhaps Russia will adopt this gauge for its OBOR rail lines, and then set up some NAFTA like border expedition procedures, so trains will be able to zoom from a Chinese industrial heartland right into the center of major European cities in under 24 hours.

Cortes

I believe that the Spanish gauge adapter technology is attracting interest...

https://www.vialibre-ffe.com/pdf/Track_gauge_changeover.pdf

I recall tedious delays in rail journeys between France and Spain forty years ago. The gauge adapter put an end to that at latest by around 2000, possibly long before.

The Twisted Genius

Russia will also contribute the Northern Sea Route to China's OBOR. I just saw an article today about Tonga joining OBOR much to the chagrin of Australia. China has been gaining influence in Tonga for quite a while similar to her efforts in Africa. OBOR is definitely going to reshape international commerce once it comes to fruition.

The Twisted Genius

In regards to the ruling referred to in AMERICA-HYSTERIA II, Sputnik interpreted the judge’s ruling all wrong. Concord asked the judge to hold DOJ/Mueller in contempt because the Mueller report emphatically stated that Concord/IRA conducted operations targeting the 2016 election at the direction of the Russian government. This is far more than what is alleged in the IRA indictment. As you correctly noted, the indictment “does not link the defendants to the Russian government.” Concord claims and the judge agreed that the conclusions included in the Mueller report and other government statements linked the defendants with the Russian government thus providing an “opinion about the defendants’ guilt and the evidence against them.” This violates a pretrial rule. However, the judge did not find the prosecution in contempt and denied Concord’s motion.
As to the IRA activity being a mere click bait campaign, I offered the following as a response to Larry’s posting you also pointed to. “Recently read a Symantec study of the IRA's twitter campaign based on the full data set of IRA produced tweets leading up to the 2016 election (3,836 Twitter accounts and nearly 10 million tweets). The campaign used 3,836 total fake accounts with 123 main accounts pushing out new content supported by 3,713 auxiliary accounts amplifying messages by retweeting content from the main accounts. This included the influential and infamous TEN_GOP which eventually had 150,000 followers and 6 million retweets, almost all from real twitter users rather than IRA auxiliary accounts. The full report is at:
https://www.symantec.com/blogs/threat-intelligence/twitterbots-propaganda-disinformation
How much did this cost? Probably not a damned thing outside of employee costs. This was just the twitter part of the IRA campaign. They were also active on Facebook and Instagram. Comparing the cost of social media ad campaigns does nothing to understand the Russian campaign. However, medium.com is a good place to understand how social media was used in the 2016 election cycle and in other areas as well. Jonathan Albright has been a prolific researcher in this field and has published prolifically in Medium.”
Another researcher collected a large collection of twitter and other social media postings of the actual IRA produced material including the notorious @ten_GOP account. Click bait, my ass.
https://medium.com/@ushadrons

Eugene Owens

At a memorial for those killed in the Losharik, an aide to Admiral Yevmenov is reported to have said: “With their lives, they saved the lives of their colleagues, saved the vessel and prevented a planetary catastrophe.”

Shoigu and the Kremlin have said there was never any danger to the reactor.

Who is right? Who knows? Even if true the reactor was only five megawatts, which is less than one sixth of one percent of the Chernobyl nuclear plant. Not sure what a safety rating would be for that as the INES scale of the IAEA does not track military accidents or incidents.

Mathias Alexander

What does Putin understand the 'liberal idea' to be?

Patrick Armstrong

That's what I said -- no connection shown say the judge.

As to the rest, the fact that the accounts covered the ground is evidence to me of fishing expeditions to create the interest in the fake accounts. And what better place to fish than in a US election when passions are high. I stand by what I wrote here: it doesn't make any sense
https://patrickarmstrong.ca/2017/12/22/it-doesnt-make-any-sense/

Patrick Armstrong

Read the interview. I think lots of people would say he's talking about "neo-liberalism". But it's certainly true that we in the West are throwing away our "liberal" freedoms as fast as we can.

ISL

TTG, if elections can be won (tossed, thrown, whatever) by spending nothing, then truly why do the politico's spend all their time dialing for $$ (making them, by definition, sex trade workers) to hand the billions to the media companies? Wouldn't the savy politicos hire IRA (or Bellingcat) to win their next election for a few thou?


Fred

Eugene,

This submarine sounds very similar to the NR-1 (now a museum piece), which I served upon many years ago. The book, "Dark Waters" has some interesting info on operations conducted long ago. I wonder if the Russian Federation is just repeating what was done in the cold war? "prevented a planetary catastrophe" to use Admiral Yevmenov's phrsase, probabaly doesn't refer to a reactor accident but an accidental war, which would certainly be catastrophic.
http://www.ussnautilus.org/nr1/index.shtml

John Minehan

If it does.

OBOR makes little economic sense. On the other hand, I think the overwhelming reason fir it is to promote stability in the PRC itself.

Patrick Armstrong

Something I've wondered about too. As some of you know I do a lot of cruising and I've seen a lot of container ships mooching along with 2000-3000 containers on them. That's a lot of high-speed trains. My assumption is that long-distance trade used to be high-value low-volume goods like silk, spices, precious metals. Nowadays it's high-volume low-value goods. Perhaps the trains will do the former and ships the latter.
But China has mountains of money and is an engineer's playground. Books like Jeff Brown's 44 days describe superhighways on stilts all over the place. So, you have the money, why not do it? And the USN can't get at it.

blue peacock

"But China has mountains of money..."

Patrick,

Indeed, they have mountains of Renminbi and can print that to their hearts content. And of course their banks can expand balance sheets too at will...in Renminbi. But....they don't have mountains of USD. In fact they're rather short of it currently. BRI requires lots of USD. Look at what is happening in Pakistan & Sri Lanka & Tanzania where BRI projects are not being funded as planned.

If Trump expands the "trade" dispute to investment too by preventing US entities from financing any CCP linked entity that would be a world of hurt for Xi and his CCP politburo. China's banking system as a ratio to GDP is something to behold. Of course the usual argument is that the working people can always bail them out.

Johnb

Being North American if you want to connect with other markets you have to look to seaborne trade, yet within North America it was the railroads that connected the interior to the sea board and external markets. China has historically traded at distance via land corridors, there was but one short period when significant ocean voyaging took place then was abandoned as policy. In our times strategically of course it allows China to expand its influence outside the reach of the US Navy. For Russia it means it becomes the centre of a whole new trading economy with the Chinese market at one end balanced by the West European market at the other. In effect the essential link between the two largest global trading economies. Container shipping will remain the least cost option but the new/upgraded rail corridors will be more time efficient for the markets of concern.

Patrick Armstrong

Sure, but China has already done a thousand impossible things. Most of us in this group can remember when China built dams by getting a million people with a million buckets and spades. Long time ago. But really only 30-40 years.
I wouldn't make any bets against Baba Beijing.

Eugene Owens

Fred -

It was not Yevmenov himself; it was his Aide. Maybe his statement was just meant to give comfort to the bereaved by hinting that their lost ones died saving the world?

Or perhaps the statement was true and they were trying to recover nuclear tipped torpedo or cruise missile from the Kursk? Those were reported as recovered long ago but I recall there were some doubters.

Or perhaps they were nosing around the K-278 Komsomolets which sank in 89 at a depth of 1680 meters. The Losharik could supposedly dive at least twice as deep as your NR-1. She, the Komsomolets, also was nuke weapon capable. But then Bear Island is a long way from Olenya Guba.

JamesT

Patrick

It seems to me that shortening the supply chain time wise (with high speed rail) can provide a lot of economic benefits. When a customer in Germany buys something on Amazon.de, the order is electronically routed to a factory in China, the item is manufactured an hour later and put on a high speed train for delivery to that German city, and then placed in the customer's mailbox a few hours later ... the problems and costs of inventory carrying and management (which I was memorably taught by playing The Beer Game in University) are wrung out of the system.

aleksandar

You have to take in account others things
1 - Security, train will be a more secure asset
2- Trains can stop nearly everywhere to load/unload it's more than a one way asset. As OBOR is also a development project, it makes sense to set up logistical hubs from Pekin to Hambourg.
OBOR is " inland " from east to west,so you can all along send goods north and south.
Speed has no importance, maritime way from china to europe is from 24 to 30 days.
An average goods train (150 km/h & 18 hours/day -200 boxes )will need only 4 days from Pekin to Hambourg.
24 trains per day = 4800 boxes
What is OBOR ?
A revolution, sir.
Half of the world will turn theirs eyes from sea to mainland.

Phil Espin

One point not made here about OBOR compared to sea transport is that OBOR is sea level rise proof. Sea transport faces the inundation of all major facilities over the next 50 years, land transport across Asia, not so much. What are the chances that the required infrastructure investment to replace all port facilities will be found in the US when it cannot be found to upgrade your road infrastructure, particularly bridges?

Fred

JamesT,

I don't think that companies in China are building to order for delivery hours later in Germany via a rail link 4,000 miles long that crosses multiple national borders. We also aren't the only country with tariffs.

JamesT

Fred

Yes, multiple national borders - China to Russia to Belarus to Poland. Once you are in Poland you are in the EU and there are no more borders to cross. I watch the Russian news channel Vesti on youtube and they are talking about Belarus joining Russia. The "last dictator in Europe" is clearly not entirely keen, but I think it is going to happen. Once Belarus is part of Russia, that means there are only two borders to cross. If Russia and China set up the same arrangements that the US and Canada currently have to speed our border trade - then that will mean effectively only one border to cross.

As aleksandar points out below, the maritime route from China to Europe takes 27 days. To travel 6600 km at 300 km/h takes 22 hours.

When I bought my macbook on the apple.com website, it took a few days for it to be shipped - and when it was shipped it was done so by air straight from China to me here in Toronto. I reiterate my view that OBOR is all about supply chain modernization.

Fred

JamesT,

Toronto is not in Germany and that 4,000 mile rail line is single track in a number of places. I'll be quite happy for the Germans who have money to buy built in China products shipped to their door in only hours. Guess that means the EU doesn't plan on any industrial development in the poorer members states, which one would expect to affect available resident purchasing power, internal population movement - and a bunch of new social spending for the EUans who will be underemployed due to this great pro-Russian/pro-Chinese idea.

"Once Belarus is part of Russia"
Surprisingly I've heard of no movement in Belarus to join Russia. Are you talking about a trade deal? I think the Russians will have a harder time making a trade deal with Poland if it means those Chinese products get sold within their borders too.

Barbara Ann

Patrick

112 Ukraine TV have announced on their English site the postponement and now cancellation of the Katchanovski/Stone's movie Revealing Ukraine. I guess firing grenades at a TV station, death threats and neo-Nazi protests work, at least in Ukraine.

The IMDB user reviews are hilarious; every one either 1/10 or 10/10. Looking forward to seeing it myself.

Patrick Armstrong

Well, hey. Welcome to the Brave New World (1984 version) of Dignity and Human Rights. Also, someone with an RPG (one gun, one vote), stopped the TV channel that was going to have Ukrainians and Russians talking about things.
I'm sure that Canada's Foreign Minister will explain everything so that even dullards like us can understand).

Patrick Armstrong

Thanks everybody for your comments on OBOR. Given me much to think about.

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