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07 June 2019

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Fred

Isn't Clapper a retired officer as well? He should be getting some new lawyers too.

turcopolier

fred - Yes! Yes!

Harlan Easley

It is a political prosecution. When he was head of DIA and called out the Obama Administration for arming the Salafists in Syria his fate was probably sealed.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/08/10/former_dia_chief_michael_flynn_says_rise_of_isis_was_willful_decision_of_us_government.html

Mueller Investigation threaten his son with prosecution so he took a plea in order to save his son.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/08/politics/michael-flynn-son-special-counsel-russia-investigation/index.html

JamesT

On a related note, when I heard that Paul Manafort was facing mortage fraud charges I immediately thought of the scene in The Wire in which Lester Freaman explains the "head shot". Explanation here (I suggest you skip the video): https://jackbaruth.com/?p=8652

Cortes

Possibly out of order and apologies if so, but I wonder if pressuring Flynn is with a view to him preserving pension benefits for the family by going into the den and “doing the decent thing”?

Would that work for office holders? Might his testimony be THAT toxic for certain people?

turcopolier

Cortes - There are no "pension benefits" for retired military. Can you possible understand that? Read the post.

Cortes

Thanks for the clarification.

I merely wanted to know how the survivors of someone who “ate his gun” before determination of a case against him might fare.

Once again, apologies if I’ve made an inappropriate comment.

akaPatience

Is it even probable that Flynn will serve time in jail? Would a sentence of a mere 9 days (ala Papadopoulos) jeopardize his status with the military?

IMO "protecting" him would have little effect on the luster of Trump's brand. If anything's tarnished it it's the familiarity people all over the world now have with his tendency to shoot from the lip.

Still, it's that pugnacious behavior that endears him to millions of voters. I used to hate it, and while I still occasionally wish he'd just ST*U, I nevertheless appreciate it at times. For instance, I happen to agree with him that "Nervous Nancy" is a mess.

I say protect Flynn and be done with it. It sounds like the guy was the victim of overzealous prosecution anyway.

Kelly Hall

It would have been encouraging if the Army had bothered to Article 133 Flynn when he pleaded guilty. They might still do so, had they pride or honor. But I suppose the powers that be have their reasons for not looking too closely at the peccadillos of their team.

blue peacock

Clapper will sure need some high-powered attorneys if he's called to testify to a grand jury by US attorney Durham. And so will Brennan, Comey, McCabe & Lynch.

edding

From your post I'm assuming a presidential pardon prior to sentencing (if Trump himself has the guts to follow through) would preserve Flynn's benefits. The irony is that Flynn's alleged spurious contact with Kislyak was for precisely those interests to which the Administration (and the Dems and Repubs) are beholden.

Doggrotter

Nice

turcopolier

Kelly Hall

I think an Article 133 investigation would have decided that the misstatement by Flynn was so trivial as to not merit trial. I do not know is there is any double prosecution connection between UCMJ and the US Code. I would think not.

robt willmann

The situation with Gen. Flynn has seemed very strange from the beginning. When he was removed as National Security Advisor for allegedly making a misleading statement to vice president Pence, it was a muddy situation itself. How Pence was "mislead" has been unclear to me, although perhaps I missed a thorough explanation. Then came the Mueller investigation which turned into a criminal investigation.

Around a month or so ago, I heard on the radio part of an interview with a lawyer who was involved with representing the White House or Trump in the Mueller investigation. He said something astonishing about Flynn's situation before Flynn made the plea bargain with the Mueller group. I do not know if I can find a recording of it, but the idea was that some evidence had been produced that showed Flynn's likely innocence.

Doggrotter

Mueller started life in the military, I guess the pols are safe as most of them got deferments.

turcopolier

Dogrotter - Mueller was in USMC for a couple of years. How many years was Flynn on active duty?

joanna

How Pence was "mislead" has been unclear to me

games people play?

Pat said something interesting at one point, I seem to remember, it was a bit naive of Flynn to accept the RT gala dinner invitation. He wouldn't have... But then, I may be dreaming. On the other hand easy dot connectors in the services surely may have thought otherwise. Meaning not naive but evil.

Keith Harbaugh

Perhaps it had something to do with this:
"Exculpatory Russia evidence about Mike Flynn that US intel kept secret", by John Solomon, The Hill, 2019-01-02
See also
"John Solomon Drops a Tick-Tock Bombshell – DIA Holds Documents That Can Exonerate" Flynn…", by sundance, 2018-12-14

The Twisted Genius

Flynn's plea deal required him to plead guilty only for lying to the FBI. The government recommended no jail time. The judge made comments during his last hearing indicating he was still considering jail time. Flynn panicked at that point. I don't blame him. His recent change of lawyers is still puzzling to me. Is he attempting to play hardball at this stage in the game? The perjury charge is small stuff compared to his hidden status as an agent for Turkish interests. Why risk reopening that can of worms? That has the potential of setting him up as Manafort's bunkmate at Rikers.

turcopolier

All - There were a number of surprisingly naive Americans who attended that dinner. They can name themselves here if they wish.

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