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joanna

I, for my life, can not see in what way could Gramsci influence the French, Italian and German "neo-right

Maybe Valissa can help you out here. At one point, to the extend I recall, she was fascinated by power. Maybe that's the link you'll need.

He had a lot of time in prison to reflect on the politically powerful of his time that got him there. And you feel this wouldn't be of interest to their political ancestors? Well you are misguided.

It's not Marxism that interests them, it's the updates to Machiavelli he provides. Maybe?

Gramsci was hardly the only case were ideas, methods and tools change from left to the right. Human, isn't it?

English Outsider

Well, that's a useful correction. I had always thought the "Long March through the Institutions" was Gramsci. Not reflecting that Mao's "Long March" occurred not long before Gramsci died. But it's Dutschke, who was heavily influenced by Gramsci -

"To extend the base of the student movement, Rudi Dutschke has proposed the strategy of the long march through the institutions: working against the established institutions while working within them, but not simply by 'boring from within', rather by 'doing the job', learning (how to program and read computers, how to teach at all levels of education, how to use the mass media, how to organize production, how to recognize and eschew planned obsolescence, how to design, et cetera), and at the same time preserving one's own consciousness in working with others." (Wiki, and the origin of the phrase seems to check out elsewhere.)

Wherever it came from it was a catchphrase among the more conscious of the Progressive Left in Germany from the 80's on and is still used as such. Is that your impression? Also surfaces elsewhere and is often regarded as a tenet of the "Frankfurt School."

But surely, "Left" or "Right", "Progressive" or "Populist", all recognise that control of the education system, the media, and other institutions is central to shaping our mind-world. We need no thinkers to teach us that. We know it instinctively. I know it whenever I listen to the BBC or look at the NYT, or see how our children are taught. And this "Control of the narrative", the shaping of the very way we think, long predates the modern world. It has always been so. The wars of religion of the past - and for some of the present - were about just that; and the fact that today we in the West call them wars of ideology instead serves only to conceal that it's the same war in modern dress.

The Muslims who demonstrate outside English schools protesting against the "Progressive" education our children are getting and the native English who, more timidly and circumspectly, express the same objections, have probably never heard of Gramsci or Dutschke, and likely few of those inside the school system who are enthusiastically enforcing that "Progressive" education. In the battle of Weltanschauungen that is the central battle of our times and of every other we are not in truth inspired by this or that philosopher or thinker. We simply reach for them occasionally as a convenient label or definition of what we'd be thinking or doing anyway.

joanna

Don't worry dear friend, you'll get your own alternative cherry blossom king:

Isabel Hardman: Boris Johnson’s campaign team has been so well-organised that it predicted exactly the number of votes he would get in today’s secret ballot, I understand. According to WhatsApp messages between his supporters, one member handed Johnson a sealed envelope with ‘114’ written in it before the result, telling him to open it once the official numbers had been declared.

He'll take care Albion is safe.

Yes, that was a slogan, but considering the place were I watched matters, and I was slightly late (Dutschke was half a generation older then me). Most forgot about it once they had their degrees, and that was easy to see before. To not go into intrinsic of activist university policies e.g. in Berlin. Most were following cattle at the time anyway. But that may be a much too complicated story for your taste.

But yes, I can see how that slogan might fit into your larger narrative. Notice, I didn't use ideology here.

English Outsider

Joanna. Looks like you're an admirer of Boris Johnson. Honestly, I'd give that a miss. Mr Johnson is a symptom, not a cure.

joanna

interesting response. You feel I am a fan of the man? Admire him? Since he promises to get the Brits out of the EU finally? Get it over with once and for all?

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Nick Cohen, I would lie, if I would claim to be a fan of his. Quite the opposite really in the time frame i watched him:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Cohen#Views

But here he goes. i wonder what David Habakkuk thinks.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/06/boris-johnson-everything-about-you-is-phoney/

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Hunt#Foreign_Secretary_(2018%E2%80%93present)

Spectator, Coffee House, Boris Johnson: everything about you is phoney, Nick Cohen: Boris Johnson: everything about you is phoney

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/06/boris-johnson-everything-about-you-is-phoney/

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might be systemic though:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Hunt#Foreign_Secretary_(2018%E2%80%93present)

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