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18 June 2019

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joanna

operation Tannenberg?

The Twisted Genius

Eric, Trump's evangelical base fervently believes in a coming Armageddon and a return of the Messiah. War with Iran would be a righteous step toward those goals. I'll give you that many supported Trump based on his professed intention to withdraw from our foreign wars, but those aren't the evangelicals.

Yes, Trump's a BS artist. He lies at a rate not surpassed by any other politician I know, republican or democrat. And yes, the economy is doing well. It's been improving at the same rate for the last eight years. Who is confiscating our guns? Ironically, Obama put more guns in American hands than Trump has. And who is mandating female hormones? If anything, deregulation is increasing the level of female hormones in our food supply. Reparations? Talk about reparations has been around for decades and will probably be around decades from now. No one is confiscating our money for that.

You're absolutely right about Tulsi. She is strongly anti-interventionist and strongly progressive in her stated policies. I'd vote for her in a heartbeat.

Joseph Moroco

Trump fired pollsters because they did not give the correct augury. Maybe his bellicosity had something to do with that.

Part of the reason he won in '16 was that he was the relative peace candidate.

Ginning a war won't help him.

turcopolier

TTG

She won't be nominated.

Eric Newhill

TTG,
Obama told us an anemic GPD growth rate and high unemployment - which is what we got with him - was the new normal and we'd have to get used to it.

Who is taking guns? Every Democrat that opens his or her mouth on the topic. Observe CA and NY + other NE states.

As for lies, you gotta be kidding me. We're all going to be dead in 12 years because climate change? Free health care for all, a free check every month for everyone will be good for the country and afforadable? Illegal immigrants are being held in concentration camps by racist CBP and ICE and that is comparable to what the Nazis did? Illegals deserve free everything and the right to vote? Felons in prison should be able to vote and receive free heroin? Trump colluded with Russians? Trump said neo-Nazis are fine people? Diversity is our strength? A man in a dress is really a woman? Socialism will work if we just we do it right this time? America is a uniquely unjust, racist and evil country - it was founded on such evil? Children don't need a father? Racism is everywhere and you're a racist if you disagree with liberals? These are lies that are tearing the country and culture apart. They're coming from your side, not mine.

Or maybe you truly believe these things are true and good.

A. Pols

I'd have to say a war of aggression (Cue Justice Jackson on "The supreme international crime") against Iran is now likely. Trump will say how much he regrets it, wishes for peace, etc. He'll say it was a step he just had to take, you know, to protect us.
If he does, it'll be in all probability an air campaign designed to destroy Iranian infrastructure and cause suffering for the populace. They won't be able to effectively resist this campaign. I don't think he'll try a ground campaign because the goal will be destruction only.
The oil business in the ME will be severely affected and energy costs will rise.
Other rising economic powers will ramp up their militaries to prepare for what they will increasingly view as an unavoidable war with the United States. These same powers will double down on their efforts to free themselves from the malign influence of Dollar Hegemony.
The end result will be further reductions in US power and influence, both militarily and economically. The short and long term results will be further declines in well being and social cohesion in this country. The patients are now running the asylum.

Lefty_Blaker

I am no fan of Obama but you are dead wrong about the economy under him. He inherited the recession and lost jobs the first year 2009. Then every year after that he added jobs and the unemployment rate went down. According to Forbes, unemployment was 4.6% when he left office and job creation was the sale annually as under Trump. Forbes - no liberal rag- claims that Trump owes his job creation gains to Obama. They are nearly the same on a percentage and annual basis

Trump's deregulation is gutting environmental protection. He claimed to support clean air, water but his policies do the opposite. His push - like Obama - to increase oil and gas production is having deleterious environmental effects at a time when the cost for solar and wind make them very competitive sources of energy. He is regressive in these areas as in others. His health care plan is where? You rail against the type of health care that every major industrial country has and which is more efficiently went and effective than what we have here.

We need someone in office today move us forward, not push policies from the past.

Oscar Peterson

Not sure on Shanahan whether he jumped or was pushed. Now the war can just bypass the Pentagon and go straight to McKenzie at CENTCOM. Yeah, I know--that IS the chain of command. But still, no military besides McDill in the loop--at least as far as decision making goes. Isn't Dunford about to hand over to Milley. Great (and don't let Pompeo, Trump and Milley ride in the same elevator together.) Might exceed the weight limit!

But what concerns me beyond all the other atrocities being perpetrated is McKenzie. He gave an ultra-hawkish, anti-Iran, neocon-script speech six weeks ago at--wait for it--the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, that well-known Likudnik front group. I think that's just about without precedent. And of course, dear old HR has been sent there as some sort of consolation prize after being booted to make way for the psychopath Bolton.

So the whole leadership deck seems to have been stacked. It's worse than 2002-2003. McKenzie, by the way, did not command above the battalion/MEU level except for 18 months at MARFORCENT before going back to the Pentagon. Who the hell is this guy? How was he chosen for CENTCOM? Wonder if was given CENTCOM after making a positive impression on the warmongers as JSJ5 and DJS.

dennis michael nolan

You misspelled "due."

Eric Newhill

Lefty,
I call BS on what you are saying. That's my considered opinion as an economist and actuary who works in the insurance industry. There's nothing wrong with healthcare in the US. It's the best healthcare available. Very few are without.

Socialism is progress? IMO, it is a thing of the past that democrats have regressed to; every damn one of them. They don't even try to hide it any more. In fact, they vie to outdo each other on how far they will delve into it.They even call it "socialism" now.

turcopolier

DMN

Chicken shit bull, you should be ashamed.

jdledell

I am not sure that Trump's base will not support him in a war with Iran. I get two or three emails a day from such organizations as Tea Party Patriots etc. In reading the comments to the articles, I see a lot of crap about "showing the rest of the world who's boss" etc. I cannot be sure this is indicative of the entirity of Trump's base but reading comments on Brietbart and the like there seems to be a lot of "manhood thumping" about destroying a bunch of muslims and payback for 9/11 even though Shites and Iran were not involved. There seems to be no recognition that Shia and Sunni are not two peas in a pod, but like to my wife's Minnesota great grandfather who subscribed to the "only good Indian (Muslim) is a dead one".

Lefty_Blaker

So you call BS on what I say without referring to any data facts etc just your opinion. Well show me some me statistics any statistics that show how the US healthcare system is rated in the world as a superior system. I have never seen any data claiming this. And as an economic you don't offer any data to substantiate your claims about Trumps economy being a result the his polices. I read economists like Dean Baker who write widely on many issues including the effects or lack thereof of Trumps tax and trade polices. You offer your opinion which is at best just that: your opinion. Unsubstantiated etal.

turcopolier

Lefty Blaker

This is not a forum for you to make propaganda fr the left and make academic demands for statistics. This is a forum in which I present my hard earned wisdom for people other than hard core leftists like you. Don't let the door hit you too hard as you leave.

blue peacock

"There's nothing wrong with healthcare in the US. It's the best healthcare available."

Eric

How do you conclude that we have the best healthcare available?

We certainly have the most expensive as our per capita expenditure on healthcare is double every other western country. What is the ROI on this expenditure?

According to a Kaiser Foundation report on the quality of the US healthcare system compared to other western countries that spend HALF what we spend per capita and as a ratio to GDP, we don't rank very well. It would seem we don't get good value for the money we spend as a nation on healthcare.

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/#item-start

Jack

https://twitter.com/ejmalrai/status/1141986161176526848?s=19

If this is true, what would have been the intent of warning of an imminent attack?

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