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30 April 2019

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notlurking

Jacobo Árbenz 1954 Guatemala....just one example...

notlurking

Corporate main stream media part and parcel of the game...

Bill H

"The first obstacle is our Constitution, which has a non-interventionism clause and that allows wars only for self-defense."

Please cite the article and clause which contains that prohibition. I just re-read the text of the constitution and cannot find it.

turcopolier

Bill H We are discussing the Brazilian constitution?

turcopolier

notlurking

Arbenz is a valid example of your thesis, perhaps the best one. Give me other examples please.

rho

Seems like there are no true Scotsmen in the world - and also nowhere "real Communism", because those who had called themselves Communists have always failed miserably when trying to establish their utopia. But that is certainly not the fault of their utopian ideas, right?

Eric Newhill

What B says does not reflect my understanding of the situation in Venezuela.

Chavez attempted societal reform based on petro dollars. This worked for a while oil was expensive and it could have been the start of a good thing, but Chavez took a left turn. Rather than diversify the economy and invest in education, land reform and other infrastructure, Chavez centralized the economy. He decided to simply purchase what was needed (medicine, food, cars... everything) from other countries. Since these purchases were subsidized, it drove domestic producers out of business (they couldn't compete). Then Chavez purchased the domestic producers and made them govt owned. he also borrowed from other countries to keep all of that going. Of course, he and his cronies pocketed vast wealth for themselves too.

Then oil prices fell. The country owed money and it had lost the means of domestic production.

So, naturally, massive inflation kicked in. Maduro inherited this mess and did exactly what was needed to make it worse, including corruption like allowing himself and his buddies to enjoy a decent exchange rate, but forcing the people to trade at incredibly disadvantageous rates.

But if you want to believe the Uncle Sam - the dreaded Yankees - caused all of this unfair destruction of a socialist paradise, then knock yourself out. Your unreachable.

still_learning

If I may, another example might be the US backed military coup against Brazilian reformist president João Goulart.

His attempt to manage an independent and unaligned foreign policy, nurture a broad center-left populist coalition under the banner of the Brazilian Labor Party, and a series of mild reforms similar to what Arbenz proposed in Guatemala were considered too radical by the USG.

In December of 1962, Goulart and Kennedy spoke for three hours, with Kennedy objecting to the inclusion of Communists, nationalists, leftists and anti-Americans in Goulart's government and putting an ultimatum to Goulart to make his government more in line with the USG's concerns or face economic pressure.

At the same time, JFK directed CIA to "do something" about Brazil and they responded by creating the climate for a coup, identifying and nurturing plotters, and organizing efforts to provide material and military support to the coup plotters.

https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB465/

JamesT

The worst part is that incompetent socialists like Maduro have their position strengthened by attacks from Washington. The same thing happened with Mugabe in my opinion - the more "the west" criticized him, the more his base supported him.

JamesT

Maduro is terrible and has to go - but it is worth noting that the rest of the region has serious problems too. I saw 13 year old girls prostituting themselves in the street in Medellin while policemen looked on and did nothing. I saw nothing like that in Caracas. Venezuela is not the only country in the region that has problems with poverty and injustice.

Ben Norton tweeted this from Colombia on the human rights situation there:
https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1122992172385673216

blue peacock

You clearly don't understand the crude market or commodities markets in general. I began my career on an oil trading desk. Manipulation only works at the margins when the size of the markets are large. Crude prices wax and wane primarily driven by supply & demand. All the peak oil cultists were wrong. US is producing more oil than it ever has.

Russian economy didn't collapse. Their economy didn't go into a Depression. Oil is their primary product. You don't want to accept that the Venezuelan economy was mismanaged under Chavez. Apparently for ideological reasons. Unfortunately that's the reality. When crude prices dropped they could have produced more but they didn't. The reality is that under Chavez & Maduro Venezuelan crude production has fallen despite having large reserves.

turcopolier

stilllearning I am unfamiliar with the case.

Bill H

Sorry, I misread the comment. Somehow my feeble mind did jumped right over the "I do not see how Brazil would end up..." Duh.

I was about to comment on the "capability of the military" bit as well (i.e. "It certainly does have the capability."), and am glad I didn't, as it would have made me look even more stupid. I'm not expert on the US military, which restrained my comment, and am even less expert on the Brazilian military.

Hallabina

Neither anybody talks about the current war amongst two rival narcocartels in El Bajo Cauca, where people dies in the dozens every week since months :

Look at thisTwitter thread, as it is in Spanish, by some military analyst, you must translate:

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1122150989241434114

Hallabina

Then it is the crowded protests against Duque´s economic policies, of which you will not find any news in the MSM, of course.

Also by the guys from "Descifrando la Guerra" collective, another interesting thread:

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1122816431094210561

Thousands of students of public universities protested against the economic policies of Iván Duque. In the National University of Bogotá there were clashes between students and police that resulted in 13 injured and 30 arrested.
Hallabina

Well the thing is not even limited to LatinAmercia, bu tto the whole world, especially attention ot Europe to never alloow the left to be rised to power:

Another interesting thread on Gladio shenaningans to curtail the left ( I will translate a little bit of the long thread to open mouth ):

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1121738454453432320

On August 2, 1990, Italian President Giulio Andreotti acknowledged the existence of a network in Europe of clandestine armies supported by NATO and the CIA. Its objectives: to act before a hypothetical Soviet invasion and to prevent the rise of the left to power.

22/11/1990 The European Parliament adopted a resolution condemning the existence for more than 40 years of a clandestine organization of intelligence and armed operations in several European states led by the secret services with the collaboration of the United States.

The Gladio organization "could have interfered in the internal politics of several European countries in addition to being involved in acts of terrorism and crime." Follows the European Parliament Resolution.

"Gladio has at his disposal independent military arsenals and military resources that endanger the democratic structures of European countries."

The Parliament urged the different European countries to conduct parliamentary investigations but only Italy, Belgium and Switzerland did so, while the other European countries only recognized the existence of the different Gladio operations without giving more details.

A few days later, NATO Secretary General Manfred Wörner, in the face of media pressure, acknowledged that the NATO military organization coordinated the actions of the Gladio secret network.(...)


turcopolier

Hallabina Could have interfered with European politics but did not.

Hallabina

Yes, but because she was never allowed to rule, being crowned Queen of Jerusalem at only days of age, always under tutoring of men, to then, pass to being recluded by his husband.

May be things could have been different were women had been allowed to rule?

Hallabina

I think that for an unbiased and more seasoned view of the Bolivarian project in Venezuela, we should stop considering personalized views and instead attend to serious studies not influenced by ideology by recognized International organisms like UN Development Programs Reports:

http://hdr.undp.org/en/countries/profiles/VEN

Turcopolier

Ah, sorry, Abrams is the worst of the lot.

PacificaAdvocate

The way you "understand" it, Eric, is just a recitation of US Dept of State talking points, points which have been repeatedly proven to ignore key events like Trump's sanctions, for instance, or the Saudis' 2014 dump into the oil markets, or basic facts like a key part of the Chavista plan was to diversify the economy--except they were interrupted by repeated US-sponsored coups and other meddling in their economy.

PacificaAdvocate

Yap, you're catching on, there, Fred: Rape like you understand it is not the same thing as Rape as Sweden understands it.

No, the article is not "out of date"--the laws haven't changed. Legally, the situation remains the same and instances of rape have declined since then.

Finally, the area where the vast majority of refugees have settled--Malmo--ranks #5 of the worst places for rape in Sweden. Or in other words: there are four places in Sweden where there are far more blonde-haired blue-eyed Swedes raping women than there are in Malmo. a 4:1 ratio of white-on-white rape.

Wrap your haid around that, Fraid.

Joanna

Then Chavez purchased the domestic producers and made them govt owned.

He did? I didn't know. I would have assumed a socialist simply expropriates. If he purchased their property, how would financing a revolution help them to get back their possession? Legally, I mean. And I sure don't know the first thing about Venezuelan private law.

Chavez attempted societal reform based on petro dollars.
you mean, he made US taxpayers like you pay the bill for his social security, to stop people from immigrating to the US? For instance?

he also borrowed from other countries to keep all of that going. Of course, he and his cronies pocketed vast wealth for themselves too. ... Then oil prices fell. The country owed money and it had lost the means of domestic production.

What was worse, the lower oil price, thus less dollars, all the money "his cronies pocketed", debts, or inflation?

And who do you feel is correct on inflation theoretically von Hayek or Keynes?

Joanna

I guess, I would like to stay in the center between the two of you. And I have no time to proofread this, Fred. Other thing may matter too, details. I thought Malmö not Stockholm was declared the European rape capital. I may not be up to date though.

Yes, no doubt, Sweden may have one of the most liberal gender legislations in Europe, as Pacifica writes. And it may matter. There is also something like „Kvinnofrid“, peace with woman, which means, somewhat comparable to the US, prostitution is forbidden since 1998. You cannot buy a women legally. Now surely humans being humans that did not abolish prostitution. But: Could a refugee afford it at all, if it were? ...

********

Concerning rape statistics, comparatively across let's say the West, we are no doubt comparing apples and pears, so to speak, based on different reporting methods, based on different laws. Laws shaping reporting. But it surely makes great headlines without the given context.

Shift: Let' us move beyond Europe to an international perspective. Differences East and West North and South? How do Middle Eastern countries deal with rape? Is it a crime at all? Can you rape your wife there? ...

Strictly, personally, I seem to pay more attention if rape is connected with murder. It is often a simple he-saids-he-said matter, after all. No other relevant evidence, that cannot be faked, no witnesses. yes, we did have three significant cases over here. Three females, a young student and two girls killed by refugees/immigrants. I have no idea how many others were killed during the time that may matter to you. I am aware of two other cases, no immigrants involved in those. They had lesser attention.

Now your perspective are the refugees, I guess: Could this have to do with Middle/"Near" Eastern country's customs, legal systems? Does rape exist in the Koran? What about the way boys are brought up there? ...

Or is there a deeper anti-Western layers involved, at least by now, post GWOT? You destroy our way of living, and don't even help us after? At least not the way, we expect you to help us?

Oh, it is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Islamic_law
As long as women adhere to the standard female status, clothes, and behavior? Only?

Perspective shift: if the numbers of foreigners among unknown perpetrators are significant statistically; how significant or what percentage do they represent among their overall ethnic group in let's say Sweden, Norway, Italy or Greece? Or you feel it only happens in Sweden? The Iraqi that killed a young student of medicine in Freiburg, Germany, had attempted to kill a woman in Greece before, but failed. Curiously enough, he wasn't arrested.

Cee

I want our assess handed to us. I've had quite enough of the US trying to kick governments that we don't like in the teeth. A plus would be to see Guaido, Abrams and Bolton dragged through the street by a tank.

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