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21 March 2018

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turcopolier

james

I am not TTG. pl

wisedupearly Ceo

Colonel, isn't the presence of Kurds in Turkey a serious impediment to any rapprochement between Assad and the Kurds? Would Turkey hand back Afrin and northern Syrian lands if the question of Kurdish rebellion in Turkey remains unsettled. Would the Syrian Kurds cut off their brethren in Turkey to please Assad?

JPB

TTG -

Turkey will eventually withdraw from Afrin. Unfortunately their jihadi proxies will not. The FSA that owes allegiance to Ankara is there for good. And they will be waging counterinsurgency ops against the YPG in Afrin for years to come as the both the PYD and the Canton administration announced the start of guerrilla warfare when Afrin City fell three days ago. Can they pull it off? I have my doubts, but I don't see them quitting anytime soon.

http://iran-daily.com/News/211899.html

The Twisted Genius

wisedupearly Ceo,

I doubt Erdogan has any intention of allowing the Kurds to ever again rule in Afrin. He has repeated said that region does not belong to them. He plans to recolonize that area with non-Kurds. Assad and the SAR in full control of the northern border is a far different situation than any kind of semiautonomous Rojava. As usual, the Kurds will have little say in the final disposition of this region.

turcopolier

JPB

As you know I think it is naive to think Turkey will willingly withdraw from any territory in Syria. If they must, they will. I don't care what the Turks say about this. They can easily lie about it. What would be the penalty for doing so? pl

Anna

"I try to imagine some of the conversations that must go on around the fire among these teams. Exasperated talk about what those idiots back in DC are thinking."
-- The idiots in DC are content with the idea of the US troops dying for Israel: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/top-us-general-american-troops-die-israel/
"Washington and Israel have signed an agreement which would see the US come to assist Israel with missile defense in times of war. According to [Israeli commander] Haimovitch, “I am sure once the order comes we will find here US troops on the ground to be part of our deployment team to defend the State of Israel.”
Who has put the signature on the US side, one wants to know. Who is this traitor?

kooshy

I agree with Colonel on this Turkey will not leave unless she is forced economically, and not politically alone. Russia and iran are the major gas supplier to Turkey, they have everage on her. But I would guess, once, US finally gives up on her Kurdish project due to the neighbours, and once again, abandon the kurds, she will throw her full support back on turkey to keep syria disintegrated, US policy is anybody but Assad, Iran, Russia. Deputy PM in Turkey is a nobody and spendable, he can easily be purged as a Gulunist.

Richardstevenhack

We don't have to wonder about the talk around the Special Forces camps. They've been vocal about it:

US Special Forces hate Syrian mission: "Nobody believes in it, everyone on the ground knows they are jihadis"
https://www.sott.net/article/328784-US-Special-Forces-hate-Syrian-mission-Nobody-believes-in-it-everyone-on-the-ground-knows-they-are-jihadis

As for Turkey pulling out of Afrin? Two days ago, Turkey threatened to attack Manbij:

Turkey Threatens to Attack Syrian Town Held by US Troops
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/03/19/turkey-threatens-attack-syrian-town-held-us-troops.html

The Colonel is right - one day Turkey says one thing, the next they say the opposite. It's nothing but "rope-a-dope"...

Terence

No doubt at all that Erdogan regards northern Syria to be part of Turkey; he has made that clear in his various statements over the past few years and no doubt will be aiming to keep this territory, just as Israel has succeeded in retaining the Golan. And one should not forget that Hatay Province is really part of Syria, as was agreed in the settlements following the end of the Great War. The French handed it over to Turkey in 1939 as part of a shady deal, but most Syrians (quite rightly) still regard Hayat (Alexandretta) as part of their home land.

kooshy

Come to think of it, IMO, what that Turkish deputy PM was told to say, was a warning shot to the American side, to milk the American and the Golfies and to get concessions. Erdo is looking to cash in on his investment, he won't leave as long as he can get paid by Americans and Russians.

Bandolero

TTG

I agree that though the fight is tough things are going quite well in Syria for the Syrian army. And overall there are some promising signs that the chips in Syria will in the end all fall in the right direction.

Regarding Turkey's intentions in Syria we don't know Turkey's ultimative policy goals there. Turkey officially says more or less it just wants to make it's southern border safe, but given Turkey's behaviour in the last couple of years there are many reasons to be very suspicious about this. However, what I do think where Turkey was quite consistent in the last two months, is what Turkey military goals in it's "Operation Olive Branch" are. It's establishing a safe zone on Syrian territory all along the Turkish-Syrian border. 2 days ago I found this map:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYrGk0XWkAI-rBK.jpg

The map looks still the same as when "Operation Olive Branch" was started. The most interesting thing in that map I find not the Afrin or Manbij region, but the very far north-east of Syria. Combine that with any map on the general situation in Syria and Iraq, like this one from Wikipedia:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Syrian,_Iraqi,_and_Lebanese_insurgencies.png

There is only one Kurdish-Kurdish crossing from Iraq to Syria, that's where all supplies for the foreign YPG are brought into Syria, and that's the only ground LOC of US forces in east Syria. If Turkey occupies the north-east of Syria, like it consistently said it would do, that means Turkey will occupy the only LOC of all YPG and US forces in east Syria.

What I find interesting then is this question: what will the US do with it's troops in Syria when Turkey occupies the north-east of Syria? It looks to me like there could be interesting debates ahead around this specific question.

505thPIR

GB's same as Vietnam....it is going to happen again front and back

Jony Kanuck

TTG,
Good roundup.

I'll add some detail on Iraq:

The Turks have been talking, sometimes with Baghdad, about an incursion to clear the PKK out the Sinjar. The PKK has heard & is digging in. The Sinjar is strategic territory, important for travel between Syria & Iraq. The Sinjar is also home to brutalized Yazidi & Christian communities of Iraq.

The Iraqi government is now paying the price for concentrating on taking the cities back. The Islamic State left behind in the desert have been mounting ever bigger raids. The government is having to throw more manpower & resources at this problem.

Baghdad has asked the PKK to leave. I saw a tweet today that said Baghdad has now asked Turkey to vacate a base. The KRG let the Turks in to save themselves during the Kurdish Civil war. The Turks never left some half dozen bases & actually put up another closer to Mosul recently.

So I think Baghdad has developed cold feet about more Turkish incursions. Also, the fate of the already decimated Yazidi people at the hands of Turkish irregulars (last week's ISS) doesn't bear thinking about.

Anna

It looks like the US was subjected to an audacious plot: http://www.voltairenet.org/article200232.html
"Their plan was to fabricate an attack against an ex-double agent in Salisbury and at the same time a chemical attack against the « moderate rebels » in the Ghouta. ...
The Syrian army seized two chemical weapons laboratories, the first on 12 March in Aftris, and the second on the following day in Chifonya. ... Moscow had first of all tried to contact Washington via the diplomatic channels. But aware that the US ambassador, Jon Huntsman Jr, is the director of Caterpillar, the company which had supplied tunneling materials to the jihadists so that they could build their fortifications, Moscow decided to bypass the usual diplomatic channels. ... In view of the Russian insistence that this piece of foul play was being prepared without the knowledge of the Pentagon, the White House asked the Director of the CIA, Mike Pompeo, to identify those responsible for the conspiracy."
There is another piece of a puzzle: "40 tons of chemical weapons left by militants found in Syria," https://www.rt.com/news/421919-chemical-weapons-militants-syria/
-- Who was the supplier?

JPB

pl -

I agree that Turkey will never leave willingly. Not only Afrin, but also Idlib and the al-Bab region. They will eventually be forced out. It will take years though. But even then their proxies will remain, perhaps along with MIT backing. Or maybe some Gray Wolf paramilitary, unofficial of course and not in TSK uniform?

daniel

A few questions for a single topic.
Intelligence rule clue: 'Acts bury statements'.

Has the US ever had an ally as reticent as Turkey?
What about Turkey's threats against its ally, the USA?
Is Turkey still in NATO? Would she still be eligible to be a member of the alliance?
What do we lose if Turkey falls into the Russian camp? What's in it for us?

Anna

Are ziocons trumping the US non-zionized brass?- https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-21/if-us-plans-terrorist-false-flag-chemical-attack-justify-bombing-syria-russia-says
"According to reports, terrorists stationed in Al-Tanf received 20 tons of chlorine gas and detonators, disguised as cigarette packs, in order to attack in an area under the control of the terrorists that is densely inhabited by civilians. ...
It seems that there is a significant effort by the United States, the United Kingdom, France and Germany to provoke a military confrontation with Moscow. How else are we able to interpret threats from Macron to strike Damascus, together with his ominous advice to foreign journalists not to go to Damascus in the coming days and, for those already there, to leave the capital immediately? There has even been chatter within diplomatic circles that suggest that UN personnel are leaving Damascus....
Russian military representatives have reiterated that in the event of an attack, they will respond by hitting both the missiles launched as well as the ships from which the missiles were launched."
--- As Zvika Haimovitch [head of the IDF’s Aerial Defense Division] infromed us, the US troops will be "on the ground to be part of our deployment team to defend the State of Israel.” http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2018/03/20/top-us-general-says-american-troops-should-be-ready-to-die-for-israel/

TomV

"Exasperated talk about what those idiots back in DC are thinking. Surly, mutinous talk that stays around the campfire, but also in the minds of the Green Berets. Once the campfires die out, they will move on and continue to fulfill their assigned missions to the best of their abilities.

"Ours is not to question why! Ours is to do or die" ... without regard to the moral implications. The ideal solider in your view is not a moral agent just a killing machine.

Yah, I know Col. I'm just a whiny draftee. But, I love your blog. First thing every morning!

Sid Finster

Much like Trump, Erdogan talks out both sides of his mouth. In both cases, the worst case scenario usually turns out to be correct.

Casey

Am I correct in assuming that the long-term US/UK/Israel plan is to use false-flag events blamed on P (spy poisonings, election tampering, MH17, Syria poison gas, etc.) to force R off the UNSC, then set up a Rus gov in exile (similar to the ploy used recently to steal Libyan cash), transfer the UNSC role to the exile Rus gov, and with all this to give the Rus elite sufficient political cover at home to "take out" an ever-popular P, by any means necessary?

Concurrently, a Syria false-flag gas attack is blamed on P, missiles launched on Syria to make sure Rus sinks a few Anglo warships and a few thousand expendable sailors are sunk, (as Ukraine warring restarts) then the open warfare, limited to the Med, with UK/US/Is certain they can outlast Rus, who will be stunned into surrender by the use of limited yield nukes?

Are the warmongers overplaying their hand? I keep seeing references to hair-on-fire hysteria of the elite doorkeepers being due to them seeing this trap in the Med as the last chance to take Rus out in a bid to try to save the NWO project.


JPB

Elijah Magnier reports Turkish Army and SAA trading artillery fire near Nubl village. IMO the SAA he reports is most probably NDF militia and not SAA regulars. They may not have big guns, but do have truck-mounted MRLs, mortars and even some small gun tubes.

Jony Kanuck

TTG

Update from last night:
Baghdad has ok'd a Turkish move to clean PKK out of the northern border of Iraq. We'll probably have to amend that border on maps or Iraq; Border running through Mosul?

Account Deleted

Jaafari just said otherwise:

Iraq's foreign minister says no joint anti-PKK campaign with Turkey

http://www.kurdistan24.net/en/news/6cd2c769-ffe5-4b03-b090-5dd2cd45c71a

Sarah B

On reasons for the made in a hurry Novichok story and the last surprisingly sane admissions by those in charge of CENTCOM:

http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13961229000496

"The sources said that after the army's expanding march in Eastern Ghouta and failure of the US-Israeli plot to conduct an effective offensive on Damascus, the US command center has rushed to to evacuate allied militants and agents operating for Israel, Jordan and NATO from the region.

They mentioned although the Turkish officials have said they are ready to help evacuation of al-Nusra Front (Tahrir al-Sham Hay'at or the Levant Liberation Board) terrorists from Eastern Ghouta to take them to Idlib, this seems to be a cover as they really mean to rescue their special foreign forces that among the ranks of the Al-Qaeda-affiliatetd Al-Nusra in Syria.

Therefore, the US has ordered Jeish al-Islam, Faylaq al-Rahman and other terrorist groups to allow evacuation of civilians from Eastern Ghouta to army-held regions in a bid to provide the ground for these foreign agents to also leave Ghouta in disguise and enable the Turkish intelligence service to send them to specified regions in al-Tanf and Northern Syria which are under the control of the US troops," they said...

....According to the sources, a sum of 960 foreign agents have so far been transferred to these specific regions after the terrorist groups allowed evacuation of civilians on March 15...."

Sid Finster

To my point above:

https://muraselon.com/en/2018/03/turkish-president-says-army-to-extend-offensive-in-northwestern-syria/

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