Open thread for the usual post shooting chaos.

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[Charles]

One wonders which psychotropic drug this one was prescribed/taking and which doctor did the prescribing.

[turcopolier]

All

http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2016/06/universal-means-all.html

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[bks]

All the Fake News on this story came from the alt-right. He was not antifa he was a Trumpling.

[Bsox327]

This young man probably needed medication, seems to have had a very difficult time recently.

"Cruz's mother Lynda Cruz died of pneumonia on Nov. 1 neighbors, friends and family members said, according to the Sun Sentinel. Cruz and her husband, who died of a heart attack several years ago, adopted Nikolas and his biological brother, Zachary, after the couple moved from Long Island in New York to Broward County.

The boys were left in the care of a family friend after their mother died”
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-15/shock-anger-after-florida-teen-charged-17-counts-murder-fbi-was-warned

[Reggie]

Here's something that works & is part of the solution:

"In Israel armed teachers are common, and terrorist attacks at schools nonexistent. Indeed, it was only during a 1997 visit by Israeli schoolgirls to the ‘Island of Peace’ along the Jordanian border, in which the teachers had been asked to leave their weapons behind, that an Arab gunman took advantage of an easy opportunity to open fire, killing seven children and wounding another six.”

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB927233749927433053

[raven]

Yea fuck it, why bother it's just more blood for your tree.

[Bill Herschel]

Why is it that school shootings don't occur in other industrialized countries?

[JPB]

He was reportedly treated for depression, but dropped out of treatment a year ago.

[Eric Newhill]

Another psychopath following the sick and twisted modern fashion statement (for psychos) of committing a mass killing.

All warning signs were ignored or insufficiently addressed. The mother had passed away as had the father. Some reports say under suspicious circumstances or unknown causes (did the shooter kill them somehow?). Where was the social services that must surely have been assigned to the case?

How was the shooter living with a sophomore? Where were the sophomore's parents? What kind of weirdness is that?

The shooter was posting anti-social and otherwise threatening statements and pictures. Someone has said they called the FBI when the shooter had posted statements about wanting to be a school shooter on a Youtube site. Apparently no FBI follow-up with the shooter. Otherwise, people that knew the shooter didn't report to law enforcement even though most felt he was dangerous, had a plan/serious ideation and had the means.

The school saw him a serious threat and wouldn't allow the shooter onto campus with a backback. Then they expelled him. No follow-up mental health or law-enforcement check-ups. No beefed-up security at the school. Apparently, no actual restraining order. Why not? A restraining order, I believe, would have meant no firearms allowed in the shooter's possession.

The shooter was in special education programs. Was there a diagnosis of a mental incapacity? Without a doubt.

Why was he allowed to be in possession of firearms?

Total breakdown of normal social interactions and official processes. A lack of responsible action on the part of most everyone involved.

[Babak Makkinejad]

When God dies...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-43071901

This is a deviant form of the application of the individualistic principle at the heart of capitalist/ liberal/ Western society.

That's where the Western 'model' ends up producing something frankly monstrous.

Truly gross.

You can inject a 6 year old girl and she could conceive – but then – what is the point?

Yet another perversion in the name of individual’s inalienable right to be free.

If I understand the story correctly, we are talking about a man 'transitioning' to being a woman, who has not had the surgery done yet [there is a typo in the BBC story], but has undergone hormone replacement therapy, hence has found that he (she) is able to breastfeed the baby, who is the child of his (her) female partner (and conceived with his/her sperm presumably).

Interesting.'Exciting', even, as the British expert commented, salivating at the juicy opportunities beckoning on the horizon for specialists in this field, with demand said to sky-rocket in the coming years...

Today in Diocletia - tomorrow the whole world!

She was able to produce enough milk to be the baby's only food source for the first six weeks, a study says.

[Lefty]

From the Wash Post:
"And Broward County Mayor Beam Furr told CNN that Cruz had been getting treatment at a mental health clinic for a while, but that he had not been back to the clinic for more than a year. “It wasn’t like there wasn’t concern for him,” Furr told CNN. “We try to keep our eyes out on those kids who aren’t connected. … In this case we didn’t find a way to connect with this kid.”

Adopted, his dad died several years ago, his mom died last fall, he'd been getting mental health services, but his mom died too and "we didn’t find a way to connect with this kid.”

Pretty much what happened with Cho at Virginia Tech too, he was dropped right out of the system. WTF? Can't anyone in the mental health community figure out how to provide services to people who clearly need them? Nonfeasance may be too kind a characterization.

[Lefty]

pl Interesting picture. don't see Krags much anymore.

[turcopolier]

Lefty

My first and favorite big bore rifle. pl

[turcopolier]

james

i'll sell the government almost all my guns for 10k per piece. How's that for an offer? pl

[Babak Makkinejad]

Are there any records of Samurai who attacked schools in Japan before 1865?

Where there attacks against schools in the United States before 1960 and its pervasive drug culture?

Are those parents who bought their kinds a small caliber rifle when their children were 9 years old creating monsters?

The difference between those kids who were given rifles for Christmas and this person is that they knew the difference between Rights and Wrong.

[DJK]

Too many guns are surely part of the problem, just as too many drugs are part of the opiod epidemic, but guns and drugs are really only a part of the problem. There are other societies that are just as heavily armed (e.g. Switzerland) but that don't have regular mass shootings.

I'm afraid that there is something rotten at the heart of US society. I don't know what it is or how to fix it, but there is clearly a problem, a grave sickness when so many people want to drug themselves into oblivion or to shoot as many of their fellow beings as possible.

Maybe the US govt could just shut down the internet and mobile phone signals and force people to talk to each other again?

[Harry]

New born babies have very small stomachs. That doesnt sound like much milk.

[ked]

so much for the "well-regulated militia" thang.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/nikolas-cruz-trained-with-florida-white-supremacist-group-leader-says?ref=home

I don't care much one way or another, but blowback is heck, as we know. Rational, well-intentioned hunting & shooting enthusiasts best get ahead of the issue... before they get way behind.

[different clue]

Eric Newhill,

(reply to comment 4 )

In what percent of these type of shooter cases is the shooter giving off sufficient or even abundant signs of disturbance and danger such that the various intervening agencies and/or people should know very well that it is time to guide and contain the pre-shooter before he or she shoots?

[different clue]

Lefty,

( to comment 7 ),

If keeping proper track of these disconnected people takes more people than what the system now has, and if it would take more money to pay for more people ( and their supporting technologies) to keep unbroken track and touch with these people, then are we the taxpayers willing to pay more taxes to be spent on more staff to man these systems and more and better tools for them to work with?

[Kooshy]

Guns are not the only instruments for killing what or whom you dislike. But constantly 24/7 teaching violence to our kids as a form of entertainment is more lethal. IMO, that is what America needs to understand top down.

[Augustin L]

The stable shooter was a member of the republic of Florida. The ROF has mostly young members in north and south Florida and describes itself as a “white civil rights organization fighting for white identitarian politics” and seeks to create a “white ethnostate. http://abcnews.go.com/US/florida-school-shooting-suspect/story?id=53092753

[Anna]

Is it easier to buy a gun than antibiotics in the US?
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A detour: Terrorist act in Brussels' airport and the allegedly fake news about the terract: https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-brussels-terror-attacks-fake-videos-and-images-the-man-in-the-hat/5519591

[turcopolier]

raven
What is your solution? pl

[turcopolier]

bill Herschel

and? pl