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27 February 2018

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Tyler

(((Libby Schaaf))), every time.

Pacifca Advocate

>>>IMO this game can only be played so long as the federal government allows it. If that forbearance ends then they could easily be declared to be guilty of criminal acts. pl

It seems to me that there are a lot of people--Americans, who are fed up with being marginalized and arbitrarily imprisoned in their own home country--who are out, living on the streets, and who are prepared to fight this "war" (I'm presuming you mean in a military sense--no?) that you imply, here.

I'm asking you, sincerely, Col: first, do you think there is an alternative to this particular civil war--which, please correct me if i'm wrong--you are suggesting is likely to occur?


Secondly: do you know people, currently in power, who really do want to fight this particular war?

james

thanks pat.. fascinating post and conjecture..

is it possible for a state to secede from the usa? if not, why not? i think california would be better off on it's own... however, the federal gov't wouldn't see it the same way.. i think about this from time to time here in b.c. in fact, where i live on vancouver island - i think we could have our own country right here and skip canada! i was thinking of starting a party called the vip.. only very important people can be a part of it! - vancouver island party..

but really - is it possible for california to entertain the idea of leaving the usa?

someone might want to start working on the idea of a country called cascadia... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia

it seems like the people of the west coast have more in common.. they got the division wrong with north american countries.. it would have been better to divide running the boundaries north-south, as opposed to east-west, which is what we have at present... i have often marveled how much the folks on the west coast - b.c. washington, oregon and calif. have in common.. obviously you are not from around here!!!

Oilman2

Trumps EO regarding human trafficking expressly declared a state of national emergency.

How does this factor in to curbing sanctuary and non-enforcement?

Covergirl

Nice hypothesis. As an Oakland resident, I say F*ck the Feds. This country was not built on xenophobic genocide...oh wait, yes it was,,

Amendment 10: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Ofc, the Supreme Court has devolved from an independent branch of a moderately well conceived government into something very difficult to understand. It increasingly weighs in favor of adjudications which run counter to much scholarship, and certainly abrogates much of the intent of the Constitution.

Though California may well get smacked down by the Feds, there are a great many solid, rational arguments that lead to the conclusion the Fed oversteps, and thus acts illegally. Precious little anyone can do about such abuses though. Voting sure as hell doesn't work and to take arms against a sea of troubles is just daft.

JohnsonR

Forbearance for now possibly being motivated by "give them enough rope"......

Jeannie Catherine

"...this game can only be played so long as the federal government allows it. If that forbearance ends, then they could easily be declared to be guilty of criminal acts." pl

Let us pray!!

A 4th generation northern Californian (and a 5th generation legal immigrant), I have lived in the same home in Berkeley CA for the past 35 years. I am _afraid_ to fly the American flag from the holder installed on my front porch almost 100 years ago. Afraid to fly the American flag? ...because that would identify me as (a) a patriot, (b) opposing the hard-lefts' insane political tactics, and (c) invite a rock through my picture window.

God bless this site! I find refuge and courage here.
Jeannie Catherine

TV

Whenever I've visited California, or dealt with Californians in other places, it's always felt like dealing with children.
There's like a missing maturity gene there.
They're forever apologizing for screwing up.

turcopolier

PA and james

It seems that you missed the whole story of the US Civil War. It is obvious that no state can secede. An attempt to do so would be met with whatever force was necessary. pl

Jubal

"It is obvious that no state can secede. An attempt to do so would be met with whatever force was necessary."

What is obvious is that no war crime, no crime against humanity, no lie will be allowed to prevent Yankees from completing the current task given to them by their Zionist overlords.

When the time comes that it is in the interest of these overlords to have the US torn asunder, it will be. It is no different than Yugoslavia, birthed in Versailles but ripped apart in Nato's eastern Europe power grab.

Richardstevenhack

I dismiss all his "California secession" stuff as utter nonsense. It ain't gonna happen.

As for the "sanctuary state" stuff, California has managed to get marijuana for medical purposes developed, so perhaps the state has enough tax clout that it can hold off some degree of Federal enforcement for a while.

But I don't see it being able to do so indefinitely. If the Feds want to crack down on immigration in California, they'll do it.

However, with, what, seven million illegals in the US, throwing them back over the border just isn't going to be a long-term solution. What needs to happen is somehow Mexico needs to be changed from a narco-state to something more compatible with its population's real needs.

I don't care how many "walls" you build, people who see a better future in the US than they have in Mexico are going to get in. And so will the drugs and the crime.

Beyond those statements I couldn't care less about the whole issue since it's just another example of how a country this size is basically ungovernable.

AEL

Canada *did* put down a couple of rebellions with force out west a while back. And, of course, there was the The Republic of Manitoba

A.Pols

There is a possible scenario for secession, but a lot of pieces would have to fall into place. Hypothetically, if a sufficient number of states became restive, and a push for a constitutional convention arose, those states could in theory vote to dissolve the union, go their separate ways and even form new nations. But a whole lot of antecedent conditions would have to be met, chief among them being collapse of finance and loss of Dollar dominance. That could vitiate the power of the central govt. to the point where the cost benefit balance would tip against remaining united.
But that's not happening tomorrow.
"Sanctuary Cities" are somewhat of a fiction created by virtue signalling local governments. As such they are certainly free to withhold active collaboration with federal law and policy, but should they choose the path of active interference their govt. officials could end up in Federal Court on obstruction charges. Personally I think it might not be such a bad idea for the the feds to target sanctuary cities for enhanced enforcement.

Jose

California secession = Making America Great Again!!!

If they refuse to obey laws or election outcomes, why should they be considered Americans?

Seamus Padraig

John Calhoun lives!

turcopolier

AEL

Louis Riel et all? Sure but it is no longer the same country. the US has in contrast gotten even meaner since CW1. pl

SmoothieX12

it seems like the people of the west coast have more in common..

Depends. Plus damn Californians were moving North for two decades now screwing real estate prices and local politics non-stop. As I stated once--the ideal solution would be to "cut out" the coast from SF-through LA into whatever the hell those freaks there want it to be--a multicultural cloaca and be done with them. This "plan" allows to preserve San-Diego as a naval base and Mt. Shasta's magnificent oecumene. Just fence the damn freak-show in that cursed locality. Run the freaking national border south of Redding and along Sierra-Nevada slightly to the north of San-Diego, with all infrastructure which comes with borders--sensors, fences, patrols and clear cut and well advertised ROE of intruders. Culturally and politically that part of California is a cancer which continues to metastasize.

Eric Newhill

Feinstein has been declared too moderate to be in the running by Californians. The streets of the major cities are filled with homeless and their feces. La Raza and the Mexican Mafia have infiltrated the seats of local government. The state is perpetually facing natural disasters and fiscal collapse. There must be some law(s) could be interpreted to allow the feds to move in and take over.

If CA goes, the other bastions of leftist goofballs, Oregon and Washington state, will go with it. Obviously that can't - and won't - be allowed.

Declare Gov Brown et al traitors who collude with Mexico and other countries (e.g. global warming initiatives) against the interests of the country, invade, imprison and restore order?

james

i didn't realize that was one of the results of the us civil war.. i am not good on history.. thanks for that..

james

thanks.. i think the weather pattern from the west coast of b.c. right down to san francisco is much the same.. it changes south of sf though.. it is interesting what you say in your last sentence.. i have no idea how true that might be..

SmoothieX12

but should they choose the path of active interference their govt. officials could end up in Federal Court on obstruction charges. Personally I think it might not be such a bad idea for the the feds to target sanctuary cities for enhanced enforcement.

Ideally--yes. The problem, however, is not just judicial, it is cultural and ideological (with ethnic and racial factors following)--they continue to reproduce generation after generation of people who are not identifying with America in a larger sense. It is a wholesale rejection out of hand of ANY American idea, not just the bad ones, which, of course, there is aplenty around. They disagree in principle. That was known in Marxism as irreconcilable contradictions. In general, those people have no conception of nation.

Fred

Covergirl,

Those darn Buffalo Soldiers and Indian Scouts were a tough lot when it came to "pacifying" those opposed to settling the West. The settlers in those wagon trains were not quite like the bunch who now show up at an airconditioned international airport and are met by their choice of volunteers and employees of hundreds of refugee resettlement groups and are promptly provided, free of duty, charge obligation or fee: preferencial placement for housing, education, jobs, business set-assides, and lets not forget outright grants of money. To which their progeny are entitled for generations to come due to the legacy guilt of every other American.

"Voting sure as hell doesn't work...." It seems to have worked for Libby Schaff and it's not even gender biased - it worked for a man! Donald J. Trump.

Peter VE

Colonel, The Constitution can be amended to allow secession. Of course, there are usually hotheads like General Beauregard who want to cut the Gordian knot, rather than negotiate. The likelihood that Congress or a Constitutional Convention will approve an amendment, which will then be ratified, is pretty close to zero, but it is possible.

turcopolier

Peter VE

Yes, and it is more possible that I will live to see SST 100 years old than that there will be either a constitutional convention or an amendment allowing secession. You don't think I know these things are POSSIBLE? I despair. pl

turcopolier

fred

"Buffalo Soldiers? Those four regiments were a small part of the Indian wars army. pl

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