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04 January 2018

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Willybilly

Hopeless bunch, and you are absolutely right in calling them chickenhawks... No matter what they throw in the theater, they will lose badly. They are real bad readers of the strategic environment......

Seamus Padraig

Trump is putting Israel--not America--first. Shameful!

ISL

Thanks Will nice summary,

So for 2) Countering Iran, we have the brilliant policy of supporting the liver eaters who love the US for its freedoms (or do I have that backwards)

for 3) I cant figure out what is feasible against Iranian ballistic programs? Make it illegal to sell advanced rocket tech to Iran? Ooops, already is. Given that Russia will sell one of their S-400?S-300? to Iran, how will the US stop a flow from Russia (who will sell with a price)? Other than full scale war, 3) is a pipe dream.

I subscribe to the Mao-ist approach for the recent protests - government inspired to get the malcontents (with US encouragement from some really brilliant foggy bottom types) to stick their necks out, identifying them for arrest.

james

willy b.. thanks for your post and overview..

as someone else mentioned ( my words ) 'it would be nice if the usa regime stopped trying to interfere in the soveirgnty of iran or with the iranian gov't'.. i don't expect the usa or israel regime to change tactics any time soon..

and yes - i think it is very true that iran has been shaped by the actions of the international players, in particular the usa, in a way that has been detrimental to it's well being for a very long time. the only possibility of change i see is when the exceptional nation is no longer an exceptional nation..

Kooshy

The best thing one can encourage Iranian to protest and wins thier hearts and minds, is first to call them a “terrorist nation” and then call thier 3 thousand year old life line body of water “the Arabian Golf”
And then tell them we fully support care for them. That is very sound foreign policy and great strategy to ecurage Iranian to revolt against thier government to benefit of Trump Adminstration. One wonders why no US analyst or reporter don’t mention last month’ Arab golf ocuppying terrorist Iranians are suddenly US head of states new freedom fighters?

Kooshy

Although, Hamid Dabashi is an old lefty expatriate Iranian residing in NY, teaching in Columbia U.. And, besides that we do have different opinions on Iranian system, nevertheless he did a good
humorous job on this article.
The top 10 ways to discredit any uprising in Iran
https://www.google.com/amp/www.aljazeera.com/amp/indepth/opinion/top-10-ways-discredit-uprising-iran-180103074142068.html

Richardstevenhack

According to reports I've seen today, large-scale pro-government protests have been organized and the anti-government protests are winding down.

IRGC chief declares 'end of sedition' after huge pro-government rallies in Iran
http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/huge-pro-government-rallies-iran-protests-die-down-882819839

What is worse is that apparently Trump may re-impose sanctions on Iran that were withheld based on the JCPOA, using the protests as an excuse.

The Iran Nuclear Deal Could Be Dead in 11 Days
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-iran-nuclear-deal-could-be-dead-in-11-days

And yes, the US would be in "material breach" of the JCPOA to do this. In other words, another deal the US reneges on.

How anyone can believe that the US is not directly and deliberately heading for war with Iran - in concert with Israel - is beyond me. This has been true for at least the last 15 years if not the last 30. The only reason Obama actually got a deal was because he wanted at least one foreign policy "success" on his resume before he left office. He could have had it in 2009-2010 but blew it off for another six years. And of course he knew whoever succeeded him - whether Republican or Democrat - would tear up the deal in the first year of their office.

Kooshy


As I wrote in last Iran thread, at least ever since Clinton, every new US president has (or had) to try a regime change operation on Iran, to at least, show his founding lobby supporters that he tried and didn’t work, even if it failed. IMO ever since Obama, the lobby will not support reelection if this operation is not tried early on first term. I don’t believe Obama would have been re-elected if he had done the JCPOA on his first term.

The Twisted Genius

Willy B,

A good summary. Thanks for your effort. Along with the earlier observations by our Iranian brethren, I think we have about as accurate account of the situation as we can expect. Al Masdar has an interesting report about possible foreign involvement far beyond the tweet assault. IRGC claims to have destroyed an armed element entering Iran to conduct false flag attacks in the country. They also ask for legitimate demonstrators to clear the streets so they could identify and take out the armed agitators.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/security-forces-destroy-foreign-anti-revolutionary-terrorist-group-northwest-iran/

Peter AU

The area they entered Syria is interesting. Perhaps from al Hasakah, through Iraq Kurdistan and into Iran?

Bandolero

Kooshy

I agree. Trump campaigned on an anti-Iran platform, so he has to support attempts for regime change by color revolution in Iran.

But this attempt for regime change by color revolution is the most unprofessional I ever saw. It starts with tactics: some groups of "protesters" burn buildings and hurt and kill security forces and innocent bystanders alike. In Iran, even for opponents of the Islamic Republic and Ayatollah Khamenei that sounds like some people try to bring a situation like in Iraq, Libya or Syria into our peaceful country. And it ends with the leaders of these protests. In the west, mass media claim these protests are leaderless, but in Iran, the people see who supports these "protests" publicly: Maryam Rajavi, Donald Trump, Benjamin Netanyahu, Prince Salman, Hillary Clinton and John McCain. These leaders or supporters of this "people's revolution" in Iran, are in Iran about as "popular" as Ayman al-Zawahiri, Hassan Nasrallah, Ayatollah Khamenei and Kim Jong-un are popular in the USA. The people simply hate them.

To try a "popular revolution" with such leaders has maybe a bit of comic, but in Iran it will surely srengthen the position of Ayatollah Khamenei, the IRGC and the basij, who protect Iran from these horrific actors. While supporters of economically progressive political leaders like Mahmud Ahmadinejad, and the IRGC whom he is close to, therefore become more popular in Iran, the star of more so-called reformist, ie neoliberal, leaders like Rouhani sinks. And abive these disputes Ayatollah Khamenei will be lauded in Iran to have managed the situation well.


Internationally, I think the mass media fake news and their supporters, who spoke of a chance for regime change in Iran, may take a hit.

Babak Makkinejad

Obama could have obtained the 2015 deal in 2009. He refused.

C.Bridge

http://www.rudaw.net/mobile/english/middleeast/iran/030120182


Is this the same story?

kooshy

I don't think Rahm Israel Emanuel would have allowed JCPOA negotiation in Mr.Obama' 1st term. But surely
2009' green color revolution 5 month after inauguration was on the cards, and had to be tried first. Israel and US' other unpopular regional client state KSA, still can't digest and accept JPCOA. IMO, Iran is now too JCPOA or not they have no choice, they no longer can change or reverse Iran' trajectory.

JJackson

How much of the the original economic protest can be traced back to false expectations raised by Rouhani around the 2015 deal? At the time I was concerned that the benefits of lifted sanctions were overplayed - and that they were unlikely to materialise as promised given the deep anti-Iranian mindset in the west.
I am expecting a similar backlash at home as some of the Britexiters were also promising an unrealistic vision of cherry picking the EU arrangements they liked while giving little in return.

Babak Makkinejad

You have to ask the protesters.

But I agree with your observations about JCPOA's economic benefits being exaggerated by the government. But, then again, every politician exaggerates his own accomplishments and blames the problems on his predecessors.

My sense of Brexit in England was that it was caused by largely a crisis of jobs for the lower social classes and enduring austerity measures since 2008.

I should expect the job crisis to be eased a bit and the Brexiters be at least partly assuaged.

Kooshy

IMO, and from what I have read from Mr. Zarif and Araghchi Iranian negotiators were fully aware that US would not and could not stay with the deal and can delay, or later bring back sanctions even on banking and foreign finance for various reasons like HR. But to them the deal IMO was about and more important as a cease fire on a possible hot war, rather than ending economic war. That’s why it was important for US to be on the table. Besides, is not that the Iranian population is not aware that the economy is not improving because west didn’t stick to her side of agreement and they didn’t know, as fas I have read, for last two years Iranian opposition hardliner’ media even TV is full of articles and story’s on how economy is not getting improved because of banking and finance impediments by the west.
IMO Iranians would be fools if they think their old, single sourced, corrupt socialized subsidized neoliberal economy, with a lazy work force with a lot of expectations( we have plenty same here) will be fixed and stable in just two years, specially when west will do everything she can to prevent that.

The story is in the begging of the revolution when bunch of merchants went to leader of revolution. Imam Khomeini and complained that the price of watermelon has gone up, what could you do, he told them people didn’t do this revolution for watermelons.

I don’t think in Iran a revolution for watermelon is possible, but is easy to have a revolution in Iran if one f*s with their honor like their mother or country.

Kooshy

BTW, as far as history is the source, ever since Cyrus the great, nobody in Iran’ streets ever liked any government or king, and all, at all times complained about the economy.

English Outsider

"I am expecting a similar backlash at home as some of the Britexiters were also promising an unrealistic vision of cherry picking the EU arrangements they liked while giving little in return."

It's odd that what was supposed to be an amicable and mutually beneficial trading arrangement between the UK and Europe turned into a pay to play deal in which we got a fair bit of the paying but not so much of the playing. It's a good thing we'll be at least part way out of that deal because, if the EU is to remain intact, there's a lot more paying to come from the richer countries and the UK simply doesn't have the money to help prop up what is in any case a dangerously rickety structure. Why pay for the fantasies of the European neo-liberals? We've got enough to do paying for the fantasies of our own.

By "we" I mean those who, as in the States, do the paying with their ever less secure livelihoods. THAT is why so many votes poured in for Brexit. It is false to pretend otherwise.

Remainers often advance false explanations for the Brexit vote because they do not want to get to grips with the real arguments. Perhaps this is like the Democrats in the States finding all sorts of meretricious reasons to account for the Trump victory because the real reasons for that victory are too difficult for them to deal with.

I am afraid you are peddling one such false explanation. Babak gets it:-

"My sense of Brexit in England was that it was caused by largely a crisis of jobs for the lower social classes and enduring austerity measures since 2008."

But even Babak misses out on one or two other reasons.

English Outsider

LeaNder

Kooshy:

The story is in the begging of the revolution when bunch of merchants went to leader of revolution.

Outside the MSM context my source on Iran's current affairs/politics is Bahman Nirumand's Iran report:
https://www.boell.de/de/tags/iran-report

As you, he obviously observes Iranian media.

From a no doubt more superficial reading I get the more genera impression there is an ongoing struggle between the more hard core conservative and the more moderate conservative camp.

One snippet from his latest Dec, 2017 report, slightly modified via Google translate, I didn't check English spelling conventions on the names:

AHMADINEDSCHAD ATTACKS IRANIAN LEADERSHIP
According to Iranian media reports, former President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has sharply criticized the leadership of the Islamic Republic, namely the Chief Justice and the Speaker of Parliament. "The Iranian people will dismiss you both in time," he said on November 16 at the Abdolasim Mosque south of Tehran. His former deputy, Hamid Baghai, former treasurer Habibollah Chorasani, and his spokesman, Ali Akbar Dschawanfekr, were in a sit-down strike. They had received an order to appear in court the day before, but didn't appear. The prosecution accuses them of corruption and misappropriation of state funds.

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What does "the story is in the begging" mean?

Question: I may be slightly obsessed with Ahmadinejad, but what's your opinion of him?

There is of course this information that The Iranian admin diminished the money flowing into the pockets of the Revolutionary Guards. If that is what they call themselves.

kooshy

I have never participated on any Iran elections, as I have lived in LA since 72. But I thought Mr. Ahmadinejad at time was a good choice for Iran, specially for being a political and verbal bully against the west. When, west (you read US) was bloodied by 911, and, in high moral justified place, she wanted to use 911 to settle and scores her old differences with Iran which had nothing to do with 911. Ahmadinejad administration, increased Iran’ spending on Nuclear research, missile development, space research by many, many fold which at the end forced US to become serious to negotiate for JCPOA. He also challenged US moral standing for attacking Iraq, by calming, it was to secure Israel, which she doesn’t belongs in the region to begin with, as she is an occupying state.

But IMO, like any other politician, his time and usefulness is over, and I don’t believe he has much support in Iran, he and his handful of close supporters have to come to term with that and realize it, as far as I have seen I don’t think IRI will jail any of her high officials, including Mr. Montazeri, Rafsenjani, Mossavi, Karoubi, Khatami etc. But they correctly limit their exposure. Like Clint in one of movies (dirty Harry?) said, “man got to know his limitations’ this folks, like our own Clintons don’t want to realize their usefulness has ended.

LeaNder

He also challenged US moral standing for attacking Iraq, by calming, it was to secure Israel, which she doesn’t belongs in the region to begin with, as she is an occupying state.

that far I am and always was with him. My problem with Ahmadinejad was his larger narrative and ill decisions.

In a nutshell, at one point (UN speech, never mind his legitimate East-West complaints) it looked like "the Mossad" couldn't have invented a better alter-ego then him.

* yes, there is no rules based reason to use quotes/quotation marks here. Nevertheless.

*****
Basically, it feels the Iranians should have the same rights to study and develop tools that may or not ultimately serve as the best of all defensive weapons.

kooshy

From what I have read and understand of Iran’s military strategy in her own region I don’t think Iran fears a military invasion or even an attack by US and or her monarchic regional allies. Iran’ military strategy is based on two points first, Iran has no ambition for expansion or invasion of any of her neighbors even the ones they do not respect or agree with. That automatically shapes Iran’ second and more important military posture point, which makes Iran’ military only a defensive force, tasked to defend Iran’ territory and her Islamic revolution and the entire Shia interests as whole. That is the reason Iran’s military spending is concentrated mostly on Air-defense systems, Radar, Mobil precision Missiles, fast cheap missile attack boats, and reconnaissance and attack drones. IMO, this strategy has made the bang for bucks of Iran’ military spending very reasonable and inexpensive as well as a very effective at deterrence.

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