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23 January 2018

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james

i also go with the later - malfeasance and coverup... short and to the point pt.. thanks..

blue peacock

PT

These text messages are also critical evidence around the appointment of Mueller as special counsel which happened in May 2017. There is a back story there that these "missing" text messages would shed light on. Note that both Peter Strzok and Lisa Page were senior members of Mueller's staff until some of their text messages were released by DOJ IG Horowitz. Strzok was the person that interviewed Flynn in the White House and set him up for the perjury charge.

The current batch of released text messages show that Bill Priestap, head of CI at the FBI removed the reference that Hillary emailed Obama from her unsecure server. Obama had previously denied that.

There is much more evidence piling up as the Congressional committees continue their investigation. Nunes already knows a lot and his summary memo will likely be released soon to the public. Additionally, many of these people at the FBI & DOJ including Strzok, Page, Priestap, Baker, etc will be testifying under oath to Congress soon as Rosenstein has already agreed to that. Admiral Rogers will also likely provide testimony after he retires from the NSA in couple months.

IMO, the critical piece of evidence is the now declassified FISC ruling. Nunes has seen the unredacted version.

Sid Finster

The problem is that russiagate is an article of faith for its adherents.

This can be seen by the frequency with which the argument from ignorance is invoked: "Mueller hasn't found anything but that just means he needs more time! In the meantime, we will assume that the most lurid allegations are true!"

This also can be seen by the amount of fake news published over russiagate. If the "evidence" were so "overwhelming", why has the MSM walked back so many "bombshell revelations"? Why use lies if the truth is sufficient?

But the real point is that when people are confronted with incontrovertible proof that their core beliefs, the beliefs that make up their self-image and tribal membership are wrong, rather than change beliefs or change tribes to fit the facts, most people, most of the time, will deny the facts in order to avoid changing. Rather than express gratefulness for bringing the truth to light, people will attack the messenger, using words like "heretic", "blasphemer" or even "Putin puppet".

This phenomenon is called "cognitive dissonance", and it is most sharply seen in cult members. However, there are entire religions and political movements based on this principle.

For its partisans, russiagate and other conspiracy theories provide a prime example of cognitive dissonance. Except that this is as a conspiracy theory for establishment types. MSM birthergate.

nard

seeing how IG Horowitz had them in his possession August 2017, it beggars belief! https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-22/whos-lying-fbi-says-5-months-texts-lost-yet-ig-horowitz-says-his-office-received

Eric Newhill

I guess I always expect there to be Machiavellian palace intrigues and plots. So that doesn't surprise me. It's bad, very bad, but not surprising to this cynical mind.

What really strikes me is the sheer sophomoric idiocy of these people all the way up and down the chain. First, you have the democrats and the McCain cucks trying to undo the democratic process and, basically, arranging a circular firing squad to do it. Could they not imagine that the stupid collusion investigation might ultimately reveal their own unsavory machinations and bring about their own demise?

Then you have these oh so respectable FBI/DOJ types - some of whom deal in counter intelligence - cheating on their spouses and sending emails back and forth like hormone addled teenagers. Moreover, their emails contain incriminating language re; the palace coup. Haven't these intel "experts" ever heard of opsec?

What a shabby bunch of "experts" and "professionals" we have in DC. Very disconcerting.

blue peacock

PT

Interesting!

Even Peter Strzok didn't believe there was any collusion between Trump and Russia, after all he and others in the "secret society" at the FBI, DOJ and the IC did to build the narrative of collusion.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-23/jaw-dropping-text-message-fbi-agent-suggests-no-trump-collusion-russia

Account Deleted

So the FBI had mis-configuration issues with their smart phones - must be the Russians \s. Would another three letter agency not be able to provide a copy of the texts from their records?

Walrus

In my opinion, we are in a very dangerous space here. I would put Strozk and Page in protective custody right now. To me, the lovers texts indicate that the Intelligence community succumbed to "Trump derangement phenomenon" like most of the Liberal population and the mainstream media. They did not see a Trump win coming and were caught flat footed.

Lets be clear, what started as a "light hearted" bit of electoral character assassination - the russian collusion meme, golden showers and all, took on a life of its own after Trump won. Hilary Clinton grabbed it like a life preserver as an excuse for her electoral failure. The FBI and their DOJ colleagues suddenly found that their lighthearted jape was being investigated and that Trump and the saner members of Congress were not amused and now it appears to me that wholesale restructure of DOJ, the FBI and goodness knows what else is likely. To put that another way, if Trump had lost the election, would the Russian dossier etc. still be an issue? No.

My guess is that the IC wishes it had never seen that dossier, let alone awarded it a shred of credibility, let alone used it as a pretext for FISA based action. Trump is now going to after the IC community that did this and very probably going to start a restrucutre as a result. The FBI/DOJ "secret society" is at best petrified that they have been found out and will lose their careers. At worst the IC may believe its existence in its current form is threatened and is taking action to protect its power.

The alleged "loss" of five months of texts is to convenient to me to be explained by mere incompetence. My sense is that IC interests are now galvanised in a rear guard action to protect their power and that is why Strozk and Page need to be in custody, and on suicide watch, under the protection of Congress, assuming trusted law enforcement or military forces can be found.

Terry

Yup. I still have days where it is hard to get my head around the fact that I live on a planet where the majority are either mentally dysfunctional or mentally ill. Logic and Reason tempered by compassion is rare. There must be a few fine people holding things together out there. Kudos to them.

"Even after the evidence “for their beliefs has been totally refuted, people fail to make appropriate revisions in those beliefs,” the researchers noted. In this case, the failure was “particularly impressive,” since two data points would never have been enough information to generalize from."

This article is a good writeup on the science but What is sad and humerous in this article is the last paragraph blaming Kellyanne Conway and Steve Bannon. The author is clueless to her own participation in cognitive bias.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/02/27/why-facts-dont-change-our-minds

Sid Finster

When you are part of the establishment, you don't necessarily have to be very good. Mistakes are overlooked, errors in judgment forgiven.

n.b. HRC and her email fiasco. If she were a normie, she'd be in a SuperMax.

Tel

The picture says it better than the long explanation.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUPK2BPU8AANkCW.jpg

Greco

That alleged secret society may extend to the State Department. During Comey's investigation into Hillary's private email server use, there were officials at the State Department who allegedly tried in vain to release Hillary's emails all at once so that they could better coordinate among themselves (i.e., get their stories straight). And the deputy secretary, Patrick Kennedy, allegedly offered the investigating agents a quid pro quo bribe.

https://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/17/fbi-releases-100-new-pages-on-clinton-email-probe.html

One revelation in the documents came from an interview with an unidentified person who suggested that Freedom of Information Act requests related to Clinton went through a group sometimes called "the Shadow Government."

"There was a powerful group of very high-ranking STATE officials that some referred to as 'The 7th Floor Group' or 'The Shadow Government.' This group met every Wednesday afternoon to discuss the FOIA process, Congressional records, and everything CLINTON-related to FOIA/Congressional inquiries," the FBI's interview summary said.

That group, according to the summary, argued for a Clinton document release to be conducted all at once "for coordination purposes" instead of on a rolling basis as would normally be the case. But the "Shadow Government" did not get its way, and the agency in charge decided for a rolling release, the FBI summary said.

Another claim from the documents is that one unidentified interviewee said Undersecretary of State Patrick Kennedy pressured the FBI to unclassify certain emails from Clinton's private server that were previously deemed classified.

The interviewee said Kennedy contacted the FBI to ask for the change in classification in "exchange for a 'quid pro quo.'"

A representative for the State Department categorically denied that claim.

[....]

The FBI also denied such a "quid pro quo" [...]

JerseyJeffersonian

Eric Newhill @ #5,

To paraphrase the "Queen of Mean", Leona Helmsley, opsec is for the little people.

But hey, thank God that these inexpert and non-professional types were so incompetent in their practice (or even understanding of) opsec; .

No quarter should be offered unless it is to obtain actionable information to be used against other participants in this series of interlinked crimes. Some of these people gave an oath to defend the Constitution, after all, and they blatantly went against their oaths to advance their careers and the political fortunes of their own political party.

Rhondda

18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy

Fred

Publius,

50,000 texts in 151 days? That's more than 300 a day. When the hell was the Chief of the Counterespionage Section of the FBI doing his actual job rather than acting like a teenager overwhelmed by hormones? Why the hell is he now in "human resources" when it quite apparent that his professional judgement is compromised?

Richardstevenhack

Alt-right activist Jack Posobiec claims that all FBI Galaxy S5 smart phones come preloaded with the Samsung Knox Security Suite which automatically archives text messages, and that this can't be disabled without FBI IT admin express action.

According to experts, FBI “lost” text messages proving ‘Obama-Hillary collusion’ can be found (Video)
http://theduran.com/according-to-experts-fbi-lost-text-messages-proving-obama-hillary-collusion-can-be-found-video/

It's also suggested that if any of these people used syncing to their PCs or home PCs that the messages could be found, as well anyone who synced with iMessage, an Apple platform.

The Strzok email explicitly claiming there is no "there there" on Trump collusion is itself a real find. If one of the main architects of Russiagate doesn't think they can prove it, then Mueller doesn't have much hope of doing so.

Fred

Walrus,

Trump and his family are the ones who need additional protection from an assasination attempt. Is Air Force maintenance any better than the US Navy's? You might have read of a few of their snafus. Maybe Melania staying home while the President goes to Davos is about something other than disaffection with her husband from yet another recycled allegation of an extramarital sexual tryst.

Jack

Thank you Publius Tacitus and blue peacock for keeping us abreast on this momentous conspiracy at the highest levels of our government. It is clear that we don't have a republic anymore. The question is how much sunshine will we get and if anyone is held to account and most importantly will there be a top to bottom clean-up.

TV

Incompetent plotting.
These self-important dolts have seen too many movies.
If Strzok is a "star" at the FBI, no wonder it took them and the CIA (another collection of "rocket surgeons") 10 years to uncover that Chinese spy.
These people - through sheer ineptitude - are more dangerous to themselves than anyone else.
You know how these "Inspector Clouseau's" will finally defeat the Chinese and Russian spy services?
The Russians and Chinese will die laughing.

Eric Newhill

JJ,
I agree with the "no quarter" suggestion. These people are traitors, as you basically say, to the Constitution they swore to uphold. The time is now to make examples of such people. The public needs to understand that something very wrong did happen and they will understand that if the punishment meets the crime. Otherwise, it's just more partisan political mudslinging to their minds.

I think that sever punishment is what will happen. Jeff Sessions (and Trump) is now approaching the point where he is unbound from the chains of potential - and likely - allegations of obstruction of justice. He can now deal with Mueller and the rest of them. The swamp will experience a major draining of unprecedented proportions. Some will be jailed. Some will leave office for "personal reasons/more time with family/pursue other opportunities". I can foresee Clinton being brought up on charges stemming from the server/classified emails and god knows what else. Lynch will get wrapped up. Obama himself is probably facing some risk here. McCain will use his brain cancer as an out, but he should go down too. I think they will protect him somewhat though because of his war hero status and because he's on the way out anyhow.

Trump now looks pretty smart and correct for canning Comey (who is facing a world of hurt for lying to Congress and conspiracy in fixing the Clinton email investigation). The entire democrat/leftist meme set is falling apart in a very ugly way across the entire spectrum; from this un-democratic plot to preferring illegal aliens over actual citizens. I predict the left will merely double down on stupid insanity. Nov 2018 is the Republicans' to lose.

It isn't just that people underestimate Trump. It's that those who oppose him are proving to be utterly feeble minded, undisciplined fools. And they're in the wrong. A very bad combination when people like Trey Gowdy are gunning for you.

Sid Finster

Oh, very well...

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-21/15-year-old-hacker-impersonated-cia-director-and-other-high-ranking-officials

Our Best and Brightest, indeed.

Sid Finster

In my feline experience, cognitive dissonance is as much a problem of the intelligent and well educated as it is of the doltish and poorly educated.

Keep in mind that much of "knowledge work" these days consists not at getting at the truth, but of using facts and inferences to support whatever it is that you or the person who is paying you wants them to support.

A particularly egregious example is how the Tobacco Institute for decades engaged highly credentialed scientists, specialists in their respective fields, to argue that first, that there was no link between smoking and cancer, and then, to argue that such a link couldn't be proven, and finally, in the face of overwhelming evidence, that such link was weaker than the evidence made it seem.

turcopolier

All

IMO Trey Gowdy R-SC should be named Special Counsel for investigation of this massive conspiracy involving DoJ,FBI,The Clinton Campaign/CIA, etc. He has been a state prosecutor and a federal prosecutor. His district in upland South Carolina is so red that he would certainly be replaced by another conservative Republican. I urge you all to press for his appointment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trey_Gowdy pl

Valissa

NOT an Onion article… LOL…

Comey to teach course on ethical leadership for College of William & Mary https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/comey-to-teach-course-on-ethical-leadership-for-college-of-william-and-mary/2018/01/18/4ea7b2ca-fc8d-11e7-8f66-2df0b94bb98a_story.html
“I am thrilled to have the chance to engage with William & Mary students about a vital topic — ethical leadership,” Comey said in a statement. “Ethical leaders lead by seeing above the short term, above the urgent or the partisan, and with a higher loyalty to lasting values, most importantly the truth. Building and maintaining that kind of leadership, in both the private sector and government, is the challenge of our time. There is no better place to teach and learn about it than the W&M Washington Program.”
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Words fail me...

Jack

Eric,

From what I have read, it seems it is Nunes' doggedness that has uncovered the evidence that we see now. His summary memo will be released soon despite the Democrats opposition. That and the testimony of the key conspirators and the IG report as well as the obstruction by the FBI & DOJ will increase the calls for a special counsel.

Let's see how all this plays out in the next few months. Trump is going to come out of this much stronger as many voters see how he was screwed over by the Obama administration.

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