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22 December 2017

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Fred

Babak,

"...you guys want to be free to indulge in your appetites and whims, all the while expecting us -... - to come in and either bail you out or to clean up after your mess."

That's a very apt summary of a couple of generations of Americans.

J

POTUS Trump has just given U.S. a Christmas Present that has many jumping up and down for joy. POTUS is continuing to drain the swamp and this draining affects Bill and Hillary's finances, namely their big payola they have been getting from Bill Clinton's pardon of Marc Rich:

Backgrounder:

https://nypost.com/2016/01/17/after-pardoning-criminal-marc-rich-clintons-made-millions-off-friends/

Now back to the present, the new White House Executive Order, in its Annex lists an individual by the name of Dan Gertler an Israeli whose criminal enterprises, who acquired a fortune through shady (aka corrupt) deals in the Democratic Republic of the Congo is listed in the Annex of the E.O.. Gerler was also exposed in the Paradise papers as Glencore secretly donated millions to Gertler to act as a middleman for DRC deals. Glencore former leader of the firm Marc Rich fled the U.S. in 1983 after being indicted for a host of charges including sanctions-busting, fraud, tax evasion, arms dealing. Rich's family were major donors to Bill Clinton, Rich later pardoned by Clinton in the final hours of his presidency.

Another Clinton Foundation type listed in the E.O. Annex, Gulnara Karimova organized Clinton Foundation fundraiser in Monaco trying to acquaint herself will Bill and gain favor with Hillary.

Continuing on, the E.O. Annex lists Sergey Kusiuk, a Ukraine police commander who engineered the Obama-Clinton coup against the Ukraine. Kusiuk hired Georgian merc snipers that fired on police and protestors Nov. 30 2013.

When POTUS promised U.S. he was going to drain the swamp, he really meant it.

LOL Love it when a plan comes together.

james

here is the usa dept of treasury press release you refer to which includes sergey kusiuk..
https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sm0243

 jld

Huh?
Aspirin as a drug which should be "removed from the market"!
Are you sure that you have not (inadvertantly?) imbibed on some pretty hard stuff?

Anna

"For Trump, he's against Iran and for Israel so his Jerusalem stand is obvious. As for Ukraine, he probably couldn't care less that there are neo-Nazis there."
-- It seems that saying on the same breath "support for Israel” and “support for neo-Nazis" does not make any dissonance for the US deciders. Considering that any questioning of any claim re Jewish Holocaust during WWII could result in a prison term (at least, in Europe, though the US has been drifting in the same direction), the ziocons' involvement with neo-Nazis should be a bombshell. The ziocons' triumph in Ukraine includes the presence of neo-Nazis in Ukrainian government, the proliferation of neo-Nazi parades in various Ukrainian cities, and the glorification of leading Nazi collaborators. Add to that the numerous instances of desecration of Jewish cemeteries. All these seem to be OK for the ziocons “stink tanks." In the light of this tolerance for neo-Nazism in Ukraine, it will be only logical to stop punishing people for questioning Holocaust “data" (and to stop harassing the BDS activists).

Anna

Lazar Kaganovitch survived Stalin; he died at the age of 97, in Moscow. -- A good example of Russians’ tolerance, btw.
The collectivization was the ideological shtick and crime against humanity. One of the side effects of collectivization was the extermination of the most able and laborious peasants and producers; they were branded "kulacks" and they died under the most sadist circumstances. Moreover, the highly suspicious and murderous Stalin managed to kill out the best part of the officer corps of the Red Army just before the WWII. It was the immense reservoir of Russian manpower and moral courage, which saved the Soviet Union during the WWII. The ordinary westerners still poorly understand the enormous tragedy of Bolshevik Revolution.

Anna

My point is the apologia of ziocon crimes in the context of the “exceptional and eternal victimhood.” If you had a chance to read Solzhenitsyn documentary “Two Hundred Years Together" you should know that Jews could be as murderous and ideologically driven and opportunistic as any Nazi-SS functionary or any Pol Pot thug. But I doubt that you read the documentary since it was sequestered by all (ALL) publishing houses in the US/UK. (Mind that the author, Solzhenitsyn, was awarded the 1970 Nobel Prize in Literature for his critique of Soviet State).
Nowhere my post mentoned Judaism.
It is highly disturbing to observe the numerous Holocaust Museums, and the continuous milking of Germany for reparations due to Jewish sufferings, while the US wages wars for Israel and while many Jewish activists (Gessen, McFaul, the NYT, WaPo, Atlantic Council, Guardian… the name is a legion) have been accusing Russians in all deadly sins, while not noticing the involvement of Jews in the making of the Soviet Union, including the bloodiest pages in its history such as collectivization and GULAG.

james

anna - 108 i am curious if you would recommend any other reading sources for a better perspective on some of the history.. thanks in advance..

Babak Makkinejad

Thank you for correcting me about the fate of Kagnovich.
For the rest, I stand by what I wrote, absent Stalin, USSR would have been defeated and WWII likely would have ended with a cease fire.

Poul

Stephen Kotkin (professor in history and international affairs at Princeton University) has a new book (Stalin: Waiting for Hitler, 1929-1941) which covers the Holodomor.

His impression is that Stalin's socialist ideology which caused so much death and suffering.
He finds no evil deliberate intent to kill Ukrainians but instead the brutal implementation of an ideological idea: the collectivization policies.

Babak Makkinejad

Stalin was against Collectivization, he changed his position because of the thread of Germany.

blue peacock
WOW, @foxandfrlends “Dossier is bogus. Clinton Campaign, DNC funded Dossier. FBI CANNOT (after all of this time) VERIFY CLAIMS IN DOSSIER OF RUSSIA/TRUMP COLLUSION. FBI TAINTED.” And they used this Crooked Hillary pile of garbage as the basis for going after the Trump Campaign!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 26, 2017

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-26/trump-slams-crooked-hillary-pile-garbage-funded-bogus-dossier

...while there is a dearth of evidence to date that the Trump campaign colluded in Russia’s cyberespionage attack on the 2016 election, there is abundant evidence that the Obama administration colluded with the Clinton campaign to use the Steele dossier as a vehicle for court-authorized monitoring of the Trump campaign — and to fuel a pre-election media narrative that U.S. intelligence agencies believed Trump was scheming with Russia to lift sanctions if he were elected president. Congress should continue pressing for answers, and President Trump should order the Justice Department and FBI to cooperate rather than — what’s the word? — resist.

PT and others that know how the DoJ works, why is it that Trump cannot or chooses to not, appoint a special counsel to investigate the FBI, DoJ, CIA, NSA collusion to attempt a coup against a legitimately elected POTUS? Is there something preventing him from appointing a presidential commission to look into partisanship, obstruction of justice, lying under oath, self-dealing and corruption at these agencies? Is it possible to fire the lot and take out the entire top 3 layers at these agencies?

LondonBob

Fact remains Trump is the reason lethal aid hasn't been provided already. Here is L Todd Wood interviewed on it.

https://twitter.com/LToddWood/status/945694568103727104

A.I.Schmelzer

Concerning Ukrainians in WW2:

I wish to state the following:

1: "Holodomor" killed around 2 million in total, Russian peaseant areas in Kazakhstan were actually hit harder, in terms of relative loss of population, then Ukraine. I see it as a campaign designed out to wipe out rich peasants, irrespective of their ethnicity. Saying it was a genocide of Ukrainians means one denies the quite sizeable amounts of Russian, Byelorussian, Volga-German and Kazakh victims.
2: Vast majority of Ukrainians fought with, not against, the Red Army in WW2. UPA was pretty much Galicia-Volynia only. Collaborators of course existed everywhere, including in Russia (f.e. Vlasovites, Lepiel "republic"), famed sniper ace Lyudmilla Pavlichenko is more representative for Ukraine then Stepan "dumb traitor" Bandera.
3: I think that, in many cases of Nazi collaborators, these people simply collaborated first, and then became Nationalists later in order to gain some type of "legitimate reason" for their collaboration.
4: One should also add that the more Ukrainian Kiev and Odessa military districts performed better in the dark early stages of Operation Barbarossa then the more "Great Russian" Central, Leningrad and Baltic military districts.

Concerning current situation is roughly as follows:

"Pro Western Oligarchs" and outright Nazis are the 2 major powers. The current Oligarch clique rode the Nazi tiger into the Rada, and cannot exactly get off it without getting at least bitten. They also regard the Nazis as a good bet against Russia. After all, if Russia would remove the current Oligarchs, they would have to deal with the Nazis.
The Nazis know this, and are currently embarked on a major campaign of increasing the economic heft. They do this in a variety of ways, be it by gaining financial inroads into sublegal activities (f.e. amber smuggling, which is quite a thing in Galicia), be it by converting dissapointed Oligarchs like Kolomoisky to their cause, be it by infiltrating and gaining key positions in the security apparates (f.e. Kievs police chief was second in command of Azov). This is on top of their usual "beat up realtricant workers" stick, and there general "be a violence provider for Oligarchs" stick.
"Pro western liberals" are basically just makeup on other peoples Ski Masks. They do not have their own military forces, nor do they command any sizeable degree of economic power.

The Oligarchs hope to win somewhat like this: Somehow get rid of the Nazis by making them commit suicide by Russian army, without the Russians also blowing them up.

The Nazis hope to institute a totalitarian barracks state by making everything else fail and presenting them as the true radical alternative.

I think Russia is waiting for an incoming Backstab of the Nazis by the Oligarchs, with the real Maidan shooting perpetrators (it is pretty obvious that it wasnt Berkut) being the "Casus Backstabbi". A golden bridge will be built to help the heroic backstabbers back into Mother Russias embrace.

The thing is, both the Russians and the Oligarchs see the Nazis as a loose hand grenade and plan to make that hand grenade detonate in someone elses faces. I am somewhat afraid that both may be heavily underestimating the Nazi strength. The situation for common people in Ukraine is so dire that "radical final solutions" could become seen as acceptable.

Ukrainian conventional army is a wild card. Some type of Bonapartenko is possible, although post Soviet forces dont do much couping.

Anna

My “point” was not published here for some reason. -- In short, Jews are no different from other people. The concepts of "eternal victimhood" and "superior morality" of Jewish people are not supported by the hard facts. This is not about religion.

Jane

Trump lost his older brother to alcohol addiction. His reaction was lifelong abstention. His advice to the addicted is don't start. Which is not much help to those who become dependent in the course of medical treatment.

GeneO

A. I. Schmelzer -

You left out the Russian collaborators from Lokot in Bryansk. They formed the 10 to 12,000 strong Russian National Liberation Army (RONA). They butchered the Jews of their area without any help or encouragement from the SS. They murdered Red Army POWs. When Soviet Partisans attacked German rear areas, RONA conducted bloody reprisals against civilians when they could not track down the partisans.

Later they were made part of the Waffen SS. They participated in putting down the Warsaw uprising where 150,000 - 200,000 Polish civilians were killed. And they conducted anti-partisan operations in Czechoslovakia.

Eventually they were incorporated with Vlasov's Army. But they were never former POWs like the majority of the Vlasovtsy.

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