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22 December 2017

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outthere

I have read that USA government is holding materials from UFO's
that are not made from any metal or plastic known to science. I have not been able to find anything more about this, seems to be a well kept secret.

JamesT

Is this why the Borg didn’t want Trump to become president? Because he can release info other presidents would keep secret?

outthere

Do you know about Cortez Bank, about Bishop Rock?
It is in this area, and may be the "frothing water", the "100 meter circle of turbulent ocean", that these pilots saw.
Then again, maybe not, as Bishop Rock is located a little north of where this article indicates these pilots were. Hard to tell, as accurate coordinates are not given in the article, and they fly so fast that a few miles is a very small distance.
None of which explains the UFO itself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cortes_Bank
https://www.scribd.com/doc/64183796/Ghost-Wave-The-Discovery-of-Cortes-Bank-and-the-Biggest-Wave-on-Earth

Babak Makkinejad

Yes, of course. Everyone knows that both the transistor and the microchip were reversed engineered from that crashed UFO in Rosewell.

Richardstevenhack

Interesting due to the recent date, but once you've read hundreds of these over the years, it's reduced to a mild yawn.

I recall a case in France decades ago where the object was described as the size of an aircraft carrier and it was seen by thousands of people which is rather more impressive.

Objects in the sky tend to be meaningless in terms of developing any theories of origin. Keel subjected them to statistical analysis (he even tried to build his own computer to aid him but failed - this was shortly before the microcomputer revolution.) But while the statistics were interesting, they ultimately didn't give much in the way of clues.

It was John Keel's discovery that events on the ground were more important that lead to his most interesting theories.

The one I found most interesting was his discovery that there were places in the US - the back hills of Point Pleasant, West Virginia, was one - where you could go and see UFOs frequently if you could stay up all night. Keel would park on some hill away from city lights, pull out a star map and identify all the high visibility stars. He would notice that there were some bright stars NOT marked on those maps. Sometime in the early morning between 2AM and 4AM, those same "stars" would suddenly flare up, drop down vertically into the surrounding hills, weevil around a bit, then go out. (Yes, Keel knew what meteors look like. He also knew about ball lightning and swamp gas.) One of these objects came down a few hundred yards from him one night, which gave him a bit of a fright.

Keel speculated that these sorts of places were actually very common - there might even be one in every county in the US.

Amazingly, I don't recall anyone else in the UFO game ever following up on that report.

John Minnerath

I would have thought people would be all over this given so many reports by such expert witnesses.
As far as the Cortez Bank and Bishop Rock go, they're well known now and even if the pilots themselves didn't know about them, the navigation people would have.
This thing just raises a lot of questions and people need an open mind to think about it.

C.Bridge

Why did it take two weeks of tracking the objects for them to send an airplane to investigate?Sorry if I missed a previous answer.

Allen Thomson

>accurate coordinates are not given in the article

One of the other articles had this, purportedly from the CVW-11 event summary:

FAST EAGLES 110/100 UPON TAKE OFF WERE VECTORED BY PRINCETON AND BANGER (1410L) TO INTERCEPT UNID CONTACT AT 160@40NM (N3050.8 W11746.9) (NIMITZ N3129.3 W11752.8).

I assume that the coordinates for the unidentified contact, N3050.8 W11746.9, is 30d 50.8m N, 117d 46.9m W. Or, in decimal degrees, 30.847 -117,782.

dprijadi

Keel at his later years become a bit paranoid or as other ufologist note the phenomena adjust itself for keel.

many ufologist quit researching UFO because it become more than just research but unexplained poltergeist like phenomena also haunted them , and strange apparation not unlike ghosts hounded them..

it is said a serious reseacher of UFOLOGY should learn occultism as basis of his research , because sooner or later the phenomena will behave like that to the researcher..

witness mr Puharich descent into madness when he got himself involved in Uri Geller phenomena and the subsequnt UFO sightings..

Peter in Toronto

Never heard of this one, most interesting!

I'm dredging web archives to see if there's a video of this incident saved somewhere. The screen shot you chose Col., is BTW from the Mexican Air Force FLIR sighting of a formation of AAVs.

Peter in Toronto

That doesn't even attempt to explain the "white Tylenol that could stop on a dime" as described by the naval aviator, or the radar signatures and multiple witness aerial sighting.

Please, if you're struggling with a bout of primate ego-centrism that a lot of people seem to experience when discussing this type of material, do not at least insult us.

The description of the acceleration capabilities of these craft seem to indicate the visitors don't deal with the effects of inertia or physics as we know and experience it.

dprijadi

The Peruvian SU22 incident here (as for reference , search for IRIAF F4 pilot whose aircraft got disabled by UFO everytime he tried to activate his Sidewinder missile)

A fighter pilot in the Peruvian Air Force for 25 years, Col. Oscar Santa Maria Huerta, was no novice when he took aim at a threatening balloon-shaped object hovering above his airbase at Arequipa, Peru.

“I approached within shooting range and shot around sixty 30mm shells at the balloon” he said through a translator, “It had no effect at all.”

“I decided to ascend quickly and get in an attack position vertically, but I was not able to get it in my sights to fire,” he said. The jet and the craft continued in a game of cat and mouse, flying high over the surrounding area. Twice Huerta had it in lock to fire and each time the craft would move, quickly rising to become level with the jet.

Huerta kept moving up higher and higher until he got to around 63,000 ft. That was when the craft came close enough for him to see what he was dealing with. It was about 30 feet in diameter; the balloon-shaped craft had an enameled, cream-colored dome and a wide, circular silver metallic base. The surface was smooth with no apparent antennae, no wings, no exhaust and no visible means of propulsion.

At this point, Huerta started to realize that he was not dealing with any type of spying device. Headed back to base, and running low on fuel, he realized he was not dealing with anything he had ever seen before.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/peruvian-jet-pilot-tells-of-tangle-with-ufo_37316.html

dprijadi

Actually the thousands of documents released publicly (bluebook program) indicates the USAF dont know how to contain the phenomena , and since the phenomena dont really do anything to human acrivities , they just fold the whole UAP/UFO phenomena as unnecessary , the same conclusion also reached by the Soviet unit tasked with the data collection of UFO encounters.

few intersting tidbits from the soviet UFO conclusion , majority (70%) UFO sighting related to water (lake / sea) , UFO/UAP usually appears on major military maneuvers (so much so that the soviets suspect it is US unmanned spy drones).

Anyone who want to learn about UFO phenomena , i highly suggest reading the blog of Prof Michael Swords , he is not acrive anymore but his blog is still online..

http://thebiggeststudy.blogspot.co.id

FourthAndLong

All sorts of simple devices could stir up a froth in the ocean of nature described in the article. I'd look into that long before considering the looney-toon stuff. And the pilot could have been pulling his buddy's leg about how the YouTube videos were taken down. And even if they were taken down, so what? That happen's all the time for non nefarious reasons. An EA -- electrical warfare attack -- yes that would be where I'd look. Some companies, contractors, whoever, invented and manufactured all the equipment being used on those fighter planes, and by the radar crews of the Princeton. Raytheon, General Dynamics, Lockheed, whosome-ever -- they might have cause to test vulnerabilities, I'd think, right? Develop capabilities and prototypes? And with absolutely all the specs at hand, why couldn't they jimmy-up some signals which would read out such peculiarities as reported -- or just about anything they wished? Hidden equipment/circuitry within the fighter's fancy new gizmos ? I knew a guy who believed he had a friend who could make this guy's busted cell-phone ring simply by force of will from several hundred kilometers away. I checked it out. Yes, it sure seemed busted to me. Took it to the nearby Sprint tech office. Yep, won't ring. Then he said, "well wait around, he might call." Sure enough the busted cell phone rang in about an hour or so. And it was his "psycho-kinetically gifted" friend. Sure was. They chatted. He got off. "See! What did I tell you! Explain that one!" "Simple" I said. "Many possible explanations. Maybe there's another carrier signal used by LE or Emergency service people that us civilians aren't to know about, and for any number of possible reasons your friend has access to it via some permission. Or there's a string of symbols a person can type in before the phone humber that activates something the tech guys didn't know about or aren't allowed to disclose, but again, for whatever reason your friend is allowed to use such stuff or has got ahold of it nefariously. I've no idea. But there are so so many rational scientific possibilities that you're not going to get me to believe your friend has magical powers."

And back to the flying saucer story. Aren't there all sorts of protocols and test of pilots and radar crews and other people as to gullibility and a millions other things? To see how suitable they might be for various stuff? I've no idea, but it sure seems reasonable to think there must be, right?

I remember watching an episode of the Twilight Zone with my dad back in the fifties when I was seven years old or something. It concerned a man on a airplane trip seeing strange creatures materializing on one of the wings. My dad had been a navigator and pilot on WW II for the duration and a bit -- really long hauls in the Air Transport Command. He said pilots used to see stuff like that, it wasn't uncommon. They called them "gremlins".


outthere

Thanks Allen

Allen Thomson

> I remember watching an episode of the Twilight Zone with my dad back in the fifties when I was seven years old or something. It concerned a man on a airplane trip seeing strange creatures materializing on one of the wings.

That was Captain Kirk, before he got his commission in Star Fleet:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nightmare_at_20,000_Feet

outthere

P in T
Spare me the personal insults, and maybe read what i wrote again a little more carefully
i.e., "None of which explains the UFO itself"
FYI Bishop Rock rarely breaks, not many days in a year.
And when it does, a swell might hit once every 10 minutes or even less often. So "frothing water", and a "100 meter circle of turbulent ocean" that suddenly disappears is a pretty good description of Bishop Rock.

Peter in Toronto

"Actually the thousands of documents released publicly (bluebook program) indicates the USAF dont know how to contain the phenomena , and since the phenomena dont really do anything to human acrivities , they just fold the whole UAP/UFO phenomena as unnecessary."

What else could they possibly do? Announce to the bewildered public that are are unknown craft with technical parameters far beyond our understanding, operating in our airspace, over sites of defense significance, seemingly able to interface and mess with our sensors and technology, and there's not a thing we can do about them, but HEY, we thought you might want to know!

This phenomenon erodes the confidence people have in government. Imagine what would happen to the Treasury Bonds and other government debt if people lost faith in government authority.

Mathiasalexander

Unknown natural phenomena. As it shrinks it looks like its moving away rapidly.

John Minnerath

ForthAndLong
Whistling past the graveyard after telling ghost stories?

Fred

Maybe its a scout from the Galactica looking to see if they have found the right planet.

Sleepybear51902

I have some personal experience.
Briefly: if one believes in God, one can accept the presence of other spiritual beings which sometimes manifest themselves. Are they good or evil spirits? I confidently advice you: UFOs are often not the good ones, it's the ones who like to deceive and play "aliens" with someone, even the military, a piece of cake for them.
May God bless you all and this bulletin in this joyful Holiday, in Jesus name.

dprijadi

thats the gist of it , since USAF dont have the ability to counter the UAP phenomena , the goal of govt program seem to focus on ridiculing UAP witnesses to make it sound like a total nonsense bunk and those who saw it are total kooks / crazies..

these UAP phenomena , based on encounter records from US military sources , indicates that UAP are benign and totally harmless if not aroused. There's been cases of aircraft avionics or even guns disabled right at the moment the pilot "want" to activate his guns/missiles.. Many of so called "dogfights" records that the UAP phenomena seem to "read" the pilot intention before he make the maneuver..

there's no greater record than those coming from public US military sources , one can glean the high strangness of the UAP by browsing thru thousands of recorded cases..

btw dr allen hynek said theres plenty of classified UFO Report that never passed on to him or bluebook team

DC

...and the always-thoughtful Ross Douthat gives his commentary on the incident, in the NYT:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/23/opinion/alien-encounters-christmas-ufo.html

As others here have said, Jaques Vallee's work (1969) comes to mind as a possible explanation: that there is a 5th dimension, that "they" reside there, and the most capricious of them like to play tricks on us. Interestingly, the Navy Pilots in our headline story were told, you're not going to believe this, but it's at your CAP [position]. What is that an example of, if not trickery or playfulness? Such "ultra-terrestrial" (John Keel) neighbors are written in myths throughout human cultures, not only in our Western fairy tales, but as told by the American Indian "Coyote" stories, and African "Anansi" tales, to name a couple. IMO, we should continue to study the phenonmena, "real" as they now seem, as that's what science is supposed to be about.

jpb

Until we have more data, this transmission receives the standard filing: Either a Psychological Operation, a publicity stunt for the author's new novel, or the boys having a little fun with the civilians.

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