The NeoCons and the hardline Israelis just won't let up when it comes to trying to manufacture a case for war with Iran. Sadly, Donald Trump has bought into this nonsense along with several members of Congress and many in the media. The latest punch is thrown by a Congressman Pittenger from North Carolina and is delivered by Breitbart:
“Hezbollah is partnering with Latin American drug lords to raise money for terrorist activity. This includes participation in drug trafficking, gun running, and trade-based money laundering,” declared the North Carolina Republican before traveling to Buenos Aires, Argentina, to lead the ninth Parliamentary Intelligence-Security Forum on Tuesday. “The combination of radical Islamic terrorists and violent drug lords is a serious threat to national security.”. . .
As its funding sources dry up and its so-called caliphate shrinks, a desperate ISIS is reportedly resorting to drug trafficking to fund its terrorist activities.
“The nexus between criminal networks and terrorist networks is real, and I will predict it will get more sophisticated,” proclaimed then-DHS Secretary John Kelly in April. . . .
Retired Gen. Kelly, who now serves as U.S. President Trump’s chief of staff, has cautioned that ISIS-affiliate Boko Haram and al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) are allowing Latin American drug cartels to traffic cocaine into Europe with the help of Hezbollah.
Joseph Humire, an expert on Iranian influence in Latin America and director at the Center for a Secure Free Society (SFS), told Breitbart News that Latin American cartels are paying Hezbollah a “tax” to move people, narcotics, weapons and other contraband in and out of the Western Hemisphere.
Hezbollah and terrorism. That's the drumbeat. Only one little problem. Hezbollah has been inactive on the terrorist front for many years. But why let facts like that get in the way of good propaganda. It is the message that is important, no matter how deceptive or misleading.
Prior to Pittenger, the last major outburst trying to link Iran to radical Sunni Islam came in early November:
Last month President Donald Trump caused a minor stir in his speech on Iran policy by discussing that regime's connection to al-Qaeda. He said "Iranian proxies" provided training to al-Qaeda operatives involved in the 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. He said Iran hosted high-level al-Qaeda operatives after the Sept. 11 attacks, including Osama bin Laden's son.
His critics pounced. Former Obama administration Middle East policy coordinator Philip Gordon wrote that the president "stretched the evidence" to portray Iran as a partner of al-Qaeda. Paul Pillar, the former senior intelligence analyst who signed off on the U.S. conclusions that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction programs, dismissed Trump's claims as based on the fact that some al-Qaeda operatives resided in Iran under house arrest.
It turns out Trump was closer to the mark than his detractors. On Wednesday the CIA released hundreds of thousands of documents captured in the 2011 raid that killed bin Laden, al-Qaeda's founder.
Ryan Trapani, a spokesman for the CIA, told me Thursday: "Documents collected during the bin Laden raid, which have been declassified, indicate Iran and al-Qaeda have an agreement to not target each other. The documents indicate bin Laden referred to Iran as the 'main artery' for al-Qaeda to move funds, personnel and communications."
Nice try folks. But more lies and spin. The documents, written in Arabic, have not been read by most pontificating on the content. But those who have taken time to actually read what is there report a quite different story. Gareth Porter, true to his nature as an authentic journalist who actually insists on dealing with original source material, has the real story:
In early November, however, the mainstream media claimed to have its “smoking gun”—a CIA document written by an unidentified Al Qaeda official and released in conjunction with 47,000 never-before-seen documents seized from Osama bin Laden’s house in Abbottabad, Pakistan. . . .
But none of those media reports were based on any careful reading of the document’s contents. The 19-page Arabic-language document, which was translated in full for TAC, doesn’t support the media narrative of new evidence of Iran-Al Qaeda cooperation, either before or after 9/11, at all. It provides no evidence whatsoever of tangible Iranian assistance to Al Qaeda. On the contrary, it confirms previous evidence that Iranian authorities quickly rounded up those Al Qaeda operatives living in the country when they were able to track them down, and held them in isolation to prevent any further contact with Al Qaeda units outside Iran.
What it shows is that the Al Qaeda operatives were led to believe Iran was friendly to their cause and were quite taken by surprise when their people were arrested in two waves in late 2002. It suggests that Iran had played them, gaining the fighters’ trust while maximizing intelligence regarding Al Qaeda’s presence in Iran.
I encourage you to take time to read Gareth's piece in its entirety. It is bad enough that we cannot trust most journalists to tell us the truth about what is going on in the world, but we are even worse off when Government agencies, like the CIA, decided to lead the parade of prevaricators rather than tell the citizens of the Republic what is actually going on.
This is the disgrace of Donald Trump. He really is a child. He has no ideological depth nor core. Like a bored dog he simply chases the nearest squirrel. In this case it is Iran. And his decision to isolate Iran at all costs has undermined any hope of a Donald Trump foreign policy.
I count myself among those who hoped that Trump's campaign rhetoric about avoiding foreign military adventures and nation building was sincere. We now know it was a lie. He was simply saying what he thought would resonate among the masses. The situation in Syria highlights the dilemma created by Trump's foreign policy schizophrenia.
We are hanging out in Syria--having deployed a couple of thousand special operations troops and running periodic air strikes, mostly with drones--with no real goal and no clear strategy. We want ISIS dead but there are so few of them left now. We are doing the equivalent of quail hunting with a mini-gun (a mini-gun is an oxymoronic name because the weapon actually spews sheets of lead and is quite deadly). There is absolutely no justification for the level of presence we currently have in Syria to combat ISIS. It’s not required and it’s not necessary. We need a few drones. But that's not what we are doing. Instead we have more than a dozen different task forces, a slew of special operators, a myriad of drone aircraft, and we are dumping buckets of money on the problem that Russia and Hezbollah are handling.
But we can't admit that. Instead, Trump and his team push the fiction that we are the ones killing ISIS while Russia and Iran, along with Hezbollah, are meddling in Syria and preventing peace. But Trump is not a lone voice here. There are scads of Republicans and Democrats who insist it is quite right that we be in Syria and that we need to do more. All is done in the name of killing ISIS, but when you dig beneath the surface of the policy you find that we are enabling some of the radical Islamists (Sunnis that is) that are aligned with ISIS. We are doing this to placate both the Saudis and the Netanyahu wing of the Israeli Government. They fear Iran and are obsessed with thwarting Iran's spreading influence in the region. And to accomplish that goal (which includes clipping the wings of Hezbollah) they have been willing to arm Sunnis Islamists with the goal of eliminating Bashir Assad. Assad, in their eyes, is a proxy for Iran.
Part of the "get-rid-of-Assad" program has entailed arming and funding the Kurds. But we are now backing out on that support because we want to continue with the fiction that we restored democracy to Iraq. We cannot betray the Iraqi Government (which is closely aligned with Iran because of our decision to get rid of Saddam Hussein in the first place) and allow the Kurds to thrive. Therefore we are continuing an elaborate charade--giving lip service support to them but scaling back military support. Apart from not wanting to undermine the government in Baghdad, another motivating and complicating factor in our policy is our desire to not piss off Turkey. We do not want Turkey to pull the plug on our air ops out of Incirlik so, rather than jeopardize that asset we go along with cutting off the Kurds.
You really need to step outside of your American view of the world and look at this situation from the perspective of other nations. Pick you nation. The world simply cannot figure out what the hell the United States is trying to do. We talk tough about isolating and punishing Iran and give tacit support to yapping puppies that now run the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. But at the same time we continue to support Qatar, who is accused hypocritically by Saudi Arabia of being a state sponsor of terrorism, and carry out daily coordinations with the Russians who are killing ISIS and helping save Assad's bacon.
The Trump Doctrine can be summarized in a nutshell as follows: we want to isolate Iran and destroy ISIS, yet in our quest to destroy ISIS we must enter into a defacto collaboration with Iran and its key benefactor (Russia). Therefore we are helping Iran in order to destroy ISIS. Oh yeah. One more thing. We have provided weapons and training to Islamic radicals (who we hoped would be able to help defeat Assad in Syria). Bottomline, we have been arming and assisting both sides of the conflict in Syria. That kind of duality, if present in a person, would normally be described as a raging case of schizophrenia or, even worse, multiple personality disorder.
I do not know if Donald Trump is mentally ill. But his foreign policy in the Middle East certainly is crazy.
"Bottomline, we have been arming and assisting both sides of the conflict in Syria. That kind of duality, if present in a person, would normally be described as a raging case of schizophrenia or, even worse, multiple personality disorder.
I do not know if Donald Trump is mentally ill. But his foreign policy in the Middle East certainly is crazy."
It wasn't Trump who started arming and assisting "both sides" (both anti-Syrian sides I would say) in Syria. It was Obama who started this. He and his mentor (and Saudi agent?) Brennan. Trump shut down parts of the CIA operation and now it is the military which is doing the dirty work - rescuing ISIS from the R6+1.
It is the same with most policies that Trump is now pursuing. Shipping out illegal immigrants? Pampering the rich and the banks? Obama has done way more in those directions than Trump had time to so.
Don't get blinded by the perceived personalities. Look at the factual programs and outcome.
Posted by: b | 25 November 2017 at 11:01 PM
Well said, PT. AFAIR, the only link of Hizbullah to 'international terrorism' was the putative attack on the Israeli embassy in Buenos Aires in 1992. Given the Israeli proclivity to engage in lawfare and their well known desire to control the narrative, is there any truth to that claim? Are there legitimate instances of Hizbullah engaging in any such activities outside of Lebanon and Syria?
Posted by: Roy G | 25 November 2017 at 11:01 PM
I find tacitus a useful source of information. But this statement jumped out to me: Paul Pillar, the former senior intelligence analyst who signed off on the U.S. conclusions that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction programs
This is news to me. The links in the article do not make it clear what Pillar's role in this was.
Posted by: ToivoS | 25 November 2017 at 11:07 PM
What's wrong with traditional duplicity?
I don't think Trump cares too much what happens in the Middle East, his whole policy is "Make America Great Again" and if there's some temporary economic boost selling weapons to both sides in a conflict, that's good for America, isn't it? Make sure neither side wins and next year they will be back asking for more weapons.
Russia does the same. So do the Europeans.
Posted by: Tel | 26 November 2017 at 01:52 AM
Turning Imperial policy within a 12 month period is next to impossible. Trump is one guy. But let's take a look at hostile actions vs hostile rhetoric.
Trump has had multiple chances to escalate with Iran.
Where was the US response when Shia forces attacked Iraqi Kurdistan?
Where was the US endorsement of the Saudi-Israelia demarche in Lebanon?
Where was the US response to the emergence of the so-called Shia corridor along the Western Euphrates?
Where was the Zio-hawk content in the deal hashed out with Russia pertaining to southern Syria?
We've seen magic glowing orbs, fiery speeches to the UN, praying at that wall in Israel, threats on the Iran deal; but nothing where the rubber hits the road. In fact, if you look for the stories, you find the opposite:
- Trump is negotiating with Turkey about distancing the US from the YPG in Syria.
- There are allegations Trump is fed up with Bibi's reluctance to compromise on the Palestinian issue
- There is evidence of a reasonable and understanding relationship between Putin and Trump.
- There are the reports of Israel sending high echelon security delegation to Washington to whine about Russia and Iran, and receiving nothing more than a lunch from McMaster.
- Trump cancelled the CIA training program in Syria.
The reality is that Trump has an entrenched pro-Israel pro-Saudi institutional culture to deal with, a large swathe of his base that still think the Israel-US relationship is the greatest thing since sliced bread (go read Conservative Tree House comments). And since Americans don't really care all that much about foreign policy, there's a pattern of compromising on that in exchange for wins on the domestic front. Nonetheless, Trump has been a far more even handed and cautious President so far *in practice* than anybody since Reagan (who likewise talked a big game and enacted cautious policy)
Posted by: Lemur | 26 November 2017 at 04:28 AM
Whilst you are writing from the comfort of your armchair, Donald Trump is surrounded by a dozen thugs with drawn knives. He is the President and has much power, but also many, many restrictions. If Trump did all the clever things you are suggesting he would be toast by now. I still think he knows what he is doing and will (hopefully) stitch up all the obnoxious people you are describing so accurately.
Posted by: Kutte | 26 November 2017 at 04:38 AM
"Trump has been a far more even handed and cautious President so far *in practice* than anybody since Reagan."
Iran-Contra was cautious? The proxy wars in Central America and Africa were cautious? The marines killed and wounded in one fell swoop in Lebanon were not an aspect of the 'practice?'
"wins on the domestic front"
Such as endorsing a full-on supply-side oligarchy with Goldman-Sachs seated at the table?
(slaps head)
Posted by: Dr. Puck | 26 November 2017 at 10:32 AM
"Nonetheless, Trump has been a far more even handed and cautious President so far *in practice* than anybody since Reagan (who likewise talked a big game and enacted cautious policy)" (Lemur)
True. I don't think there will be any kind of massive new war under Trump. That could only happen if the players interested in starting one substantially upped their game - i.e., their trickery and deceit - to levels beyond what they have proven themselves to be capable of so far.
(So some risk remains, as it always does).
Posted by: elev8 | 26 November 2017 at 11:21 AM
Huh? Hezbollah is moving drugs for the Latin American cartel? A few paragraphs down ISIS is identified the culprit. What's going on?
Hezbollah and ISIS are mortal enemies. Hezzbeloh is Shia, backed by Iran. ISIS is a Suni-extremist group backed by Saudi Arabia.
Posted by: Blowtorch_bob | 26 November 2017 at 11:32 AM
"I do not know if Donald Trump is mentally ill. But his foreign policy in the Middle East certainly is crazy."
After the recent play in Saudi Arabia, I bought the book "The art of the deal" written or first published in 1987.
Chapter two "Elements of the deal" is interesting to compare what he is doing now.
A couple of paragraphs from the 1987 Trump...
"One of the keys to thinking big is total focus. I think of it almost as a controlled neurosis, which is a quality I've noticed in many highly successful entrepreneurs. They're obsessive, they're driven, they're single minded and sometimes they're almost maniacal, but it is all channeled into their work. Where other people are paralyzed by neurosis, the people I'm talking about are actually helped by it.
I don't say this trait leads to a happier life, or a better life, but it's great when it comes to getting what you want. This is particularly true in New York real estate, where you are dealing with some of the sharpest, toughest, and most vicious people in the world. I happen to love to go up against these guys, and I love to beat them."
......
Although I haven't read right through the book as most chapters seem to be about various deals, from what I have read, much of what he wrote back then seems to fit what he is doing now.
Posted by: Peter AU | 26 November 2017 at 11:33 AM
"Hezbollah is partnering with Latin American drug lords to raise money for terrorist activity. This includes participation in drug trafficking, gun running, and trade-based money laundering"
This statement rings a bell. I seem to remember that, several years ago, a similarly preposterous accusation was spread against Hezbollah, which was supposedly setting up lucrative networks in cahoot with local drug traffickers and smuggling rings in the region of the triple border Paraguay-Argentina-Brazil.
Anybody remembers that one?
Posted by: anobserver | 26 November 2017 at 11:46 AM
He can't "make America great again" as that phrase is generally understood unless he confronts the FIRE sector (finance, insurance, real estate) and he is too much of a creature of that sector to do so.
Posted by: ex-PFC Chuck | 26 November 2017 at 11:58 AM
Yes, has been on my mind too. But shouldn't it really be 1992 and 1994? Iran & Hisbollah as main suspects?
It surfaced post "Mission Accomplished", amidst the push 'further please: let's first take Syria and then Iran'. Even the drug trafficking 'cum' terrorism' angle may not be completely new. If I recall correctly it surfaced in some type of combination in Lebanon. Never knew if one could trust it. And definitively did not seriously study matters. And in that context there always already were these assumed Iran links versus Hezbollah.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/terrorist-bombings-in-argentina
Random pick concerning the vague combination of drugs, terrorism Hezbollah/Iran, Lebanon would be Lockerbie. Random pick Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/jun/27/lockerbie.features11
Posted by: LeaNder | 26 November 2017 at 12:16 PM
Publius Tacitus
Duplicity among the highest levels of our government seems to have been going on for a long time. And it seems that the average American has faced a lot of duplicitous propaganda from their government for decades.
In watching the Ken Burns Vietnam documentary I learned that JFK harbored private beliefs that involvement in Vietnam did not serve US national interests yet he ordered US soldiers as advisors into Vietnam primarily because he did not want to be attacked as weak on communism by his political opponents. Lyndon Johnson was even more cynical. So, one could say the Vietnam war escalation was a Democrat project, but the coastal liberal partisans will never acknowledge they have blood on their hands. They keep doubling down on their PCness however, notwithstanding Harvey Weinstein and predatory Hollywood as the anti-thesis of their PC ideology!
In more recent decades it has been a bi-partisan affair, where under the guise of R2P and other "humanitarian" interventions, our government has destabilized many regions in the world and in particular the middle east. From Clinton to W to Obama, their administrations have obfuscated, and even lied as they have created chaos across that region. Unlike them, Trump has not yet launched any new war and at least his rhetoric at times acknowledges the colossal waste in resources in our military interventions and the need for better relations with Russia. Which recent American president even had any rational rhetoric, let alone actions?
Posted by: blue peacock | 26 November 2017 at 12:31 PM
We are taking all of the credit for defeating ISIS in Syria and Iraq while ignoring the productive role of Iran, the PMU, the Iraqi govt, Assad's forces, and Hezbollah. This is not just a matter of fairness, but a matter of perceiving reality correctly and avoiding messing things up again as we are prone to do. If our version of reality is correct then how will we explain why our efforts in Afghanistan continue to fail? Had we chosen to embrace reality there, we would do as Iran and Russia are doing and not equate the Taliban with ISIS and Al Qaeda.
Regarding reality, has anyone else noticed that Al Qaeda in Syria has disappeared from our narrative?
The party line in the U.S. MSM is, 'the physical Caliphate has been destroyed but now we have to deal with the online version of ISIS and their local affiliates'. I wonder if and when the presence of Al Qaeda will be recognized again in N. Syria. The really nauseating thing for me to watch will be how the MSM will just pick up the ball and go with the latest govt narrative as if this collective amnesia never occurred.
Posted by: Christian Chuba | 26 November 2017 at 01:42 PM
Iranian officials are very clear that they have won.
Posted by: Babak Makkinejad | 26 November 2017 at 02:04 PM
I agree, specially Finance.
Posted by: Babak Makkinejad | 26 November 2017 at 02:05 PM
I read it too. My takeaway is that he is patient, that he sees things that others do not and when he moves, he does quickly and decisively. I also do not start with the assumption, as most of the nincompoops in the MSM do, that he is an idiot. He obviously is not. I also believe that we should watch what he does and not what he says -- much of what he says is cover and prestidigitation.
Posted by: Patrick Armstrong | 26 November 2017 at 02:42 PM
Peter and Patrick,
Agree 100%. I also read Art of the Deal when I first began to consider voting for Trump. Trump may come off as a little odd in some public appearances and utterances or incurious or clumsy upon occasion, but I am convinced that he is an extremely intelligent person; the 4D chess player that his fans claim he is. IMO, Some of the aspects that others criticize are indeed a smoke screen to confuse and/or cause his opponents to let their guard down.
Posted by: Eric Newhill | 26 November 2017 at 03:59 PM
Blowtorch Bob
PT argued in the post that it is stupid and in error for anyone to say that Hizbullah and ISIS are in the drug business together. That is his point. pl
Posted by: turcopolier | 26 November 2017 at 04:00 PM
Thanks Leander. I see the same innuendo and self-referencing / self-interested sources at work. Particularly interesting are the 'Hizbullah t-shirt' supposedly found at the Lockerbie crash site (foreshadowing the 9/11 passports and other such 'finds'), and the criminal Natanyahu appearing at ceremonies held at the Argentinian bombing sites on September 11, 2017. Too clever by half, yet I worry about the corrosive effect of the engineered narrative on the truth.
Posted by: Roy G | 26 November 2017 at 04:02 PM
It's interesting if not too surprising to see how many Trump supporters continue to insist that he either 1) has some master game plan to "drain the swamp", or 2) is trying but too weak and too constrained to do anything.
Guess who had the same appearance for nine years? Obama.
Anyone remember "Change We Can Believe In?" How'd that work out for you?
I had Obama pegged as "Bush Lite" long before Stephen Walt termed him that. I termed Obama that during his first Presidential campaign based on statements in his platform and statements he made to the New York Times about putting a gasoline embargo on Iran.
I was right. Everyone else was wrong. But it's amazing how many people - even "antiwar" types like Gareth Porter and Ray McGovern - continued to carry Obama's water for nine years. They constantly tried to explain away Obama's actions by declaring that he was "conflicted" about them. Even after he deliberately lied to the Presidents of Turkey and Brazil over the 2010 Iran deal they were trying to get (and did get, despite Obama's reneging on it.)
A few fools - actually, most of the fools who voted for Trump - thought that a few comments about "making nice with Russia" was enough to make him some sort of right-wing version of "Change You Can Believe In."
Anyone with a brain saw Trump as a no-nothing blowhard during his campaign. His only reasons for running for President were: 1) ego; and 2) he knows he will make billions in business deals after he leaves office.
Trump hasn't escalated against Iran? Oh, yes, he has. He has upped the rhetoric, he has refused to certify Iran's compliance with the Nuclear Deal, and most importantly, he has upped sanctions on Hizballah in Lebanon.
You want to know why we aren't at war with Iran NOW? Two reasons: Hassan Nasrallah in Lebanon and Vladimir Putin in Syria. People should get on the knees and beg forgiveness from those two leaders for preventing a total Mid-East meltdown - so far.
Trump has absolutely nothing to do with it. Quite the opposite.
Trump is weak? As the Colonel has explicitly said, Trump could fire most of these morons who are "undermining" him in a heartbeat and take whatever heat that generates. A great President would do that. All we've seen from Trump is he throws almost literally ALL of his actual supporters under the bus.
Stop thinking Trump has some master plan to save us all. Obama didn't and neither does Trump. It's delusional. All Trump wants to do is fake being "Presidential" until he can leave office and make some real money, meanwhile tweeting aggressive blowhard nonsense to the fools who think that sort of behavior represents a "strong President."
Trump will start a war with Iran because he thinks Iran is a weak nation he can "pick up and throw against the wall" - as someone once said - so he can look like a "war President". And his family members are working for Israel. Trump is indeed a businessman. He knows from that experience that you don't cross rich Jews in America.
Trump may well start a war with North Korea because his cronies and handlers see six to ten trillion dollars worth of undeveloped resources they'd like to get their hands on and he has zero clue as to the potential devastating consequences for the people of Korea - nor does he care - let alone the potential consequences vis-a-vis China.
If Trump does anything right with Russia - which so far he has not, aside from his (allegedly) "fruitful" talks with Putin - it will be for the same reason Obama made the Iran Nuclear Deal - to have at least one foreign policy "success" to offset the rest of the foreign policy disasters Obama created during his nine years - while knowing that "success" would be undermined in the very next Administration.
Obama assumed Clinton would start a war with Iran. Instead, we got Trump. "Meet the new boss; Same as the old boss." Anyone who thinks this dynamic is going to change in this country is on crack.
Posted by: Richardstevenhack | 26 November 2017 at 04:23 PM
this was one of Gareth Porter's best ever articles
he did a lot of research over many years
Hezbollah Didn’t Do Argentine Bombing (updated)
1979 Views January 22, 2008 8 Comments
Bush’s Iran/Argentina Terror Frame-Up
by GARETH PORTER
this article originally ran in the Nation, reprinted here:
https://thesaker.is/hezbollah-didnt-do-argentine-bombing-updated/
Interview with Gareth Porter
Gareth Porter's Investigation into the AMIA Bombing in Buenos Aires
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkC4wvRK5OI
Posted by: outthere | 26 November 2017 at 04:28 PM
original article in the Nation
Bush’s Iran/Argentina Terror Frame-Up
The Bush Administration cites a 1994 bombing in Argentina to tar Iran as a sponsor of global terror. But a fresh probe finds no evidence of an Iran connection.
By Gareth Porter
January 19, 2008
https://www.thenation.com/article/bushs-iranargentina-terror-frame/
Posted by: outthere | 26 November 2017 at 04:32 PM
Whipping up support amongst an ignorant American public by accusing official enemies of 'drug dealing' (The Venezuelan government has been so accused lately. In the 1930s, it was crazed Mexicans and Negroes. IIRC, the Sandanista government was also accused of moving blow for the Columbian cartels who somehow were being protected by the FARC (dubious, but then that's a war where clean hands are pretty hard to find.)
When the CIA dabbles in moving narcotics, the media at first screams in denial, but later on calls it sad and unfortunate and buries the issue.
Posted by: Generalfeldmarschall von Hindenburg | 26 November 2017 at 04:54 PM