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13 November 2017

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The Porkchop Express

For sake of argument, are there any Arab officials NOT good at bullshitting American officials?

And as a corollary, why do higher ranking American officials, as a general rule, almost comically fall for the routine as almost a matter of course?

turcopolier

PE

Yes. Many are so oafish that they have no talent for it. Americans typically want to think of them as "little brown brother." pl

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Col.

I suppose my point was that the master hucksters are the ones who get appointed/seek to deal with the ajeneb--particularly someone like Bandar Bush, Chalabi, Hariri (the elder), et. al. Or do they allow the oafs (out of patronage/wasta) to occasionally give it a go?

My experience in the region (generally) is that the oafs are usually cabbies, street level mukhabarat, small to mid size business owners, and general purpose swindlers with little to no experience with foreigners. And that higher level US/Western officials usually buy all manner of bullshit while the lower level officials are usually more immune to it. Generally speaking, of course.

Also, apropos:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/raqqas_dirty_secret

Peter AU

Bandar Bush .. Syria and 9/11
Ordered "The Art of The Deal" the other day. Should turn up shortly.

Trump on who he thought responsible for 9/11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoUD86PxF-U

james

fascinating. thanks!

Green Zone Café

Bandar is all over the "28 Pages." May he suffer in life and burn in hell.

Willybilly

Wouldn’t be fair to say as well that the biggest bullshitters of American officials decades on are ZIOS and Izzies, as well as their Zioconned cronies/coteries across America and beyond...?

blue peacock

Col. Lang,

Have none of these folks who have risen to the very top of our governmental edifice never been bit in the ass? This naivety is amazing considering their high positions.

Bandar, Chalabi, Perle - the list of charlatans is long but they always are. What is astounding is how guys like Adm. Crowe who seemingly have such limited life experience and ability to discriminate fact from fiction manage to get to the top.

eakens

MBS is going to get Iran at any expense. Can’t verify second links authenticity but nevertheless...

https://mobile.twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/930399197572018176

http://www.al-akhbar.com/node/286434


Eric.

turcopolier

blue peacock

In the military the competition for advancement is so intense that those who get to the top are interested in little else. pl

turcopolier

BP
Crowe had a PhD in politics (not political science)from Princeton. He was inordinately proud of his intellect and was a very haughty man. A friend of mine was the civilian doctor for nine or ten chairmen of the joint chiefs. Crowe made him wait in the kitchen whenever the doctor cam to make a house call at his quarters at Ft. Myer. pl

Annem

BANDAR AND HIS PARENTAGE: It is said that Sultan only recognized Bandar as his son by his jariya when he was grown. This did not prevent Sultan from providing the boy with an excellent education and some other perks associated with being in the family [minus the prestige of the family name.] The story goes that this situation really bothered King Faisal, so the latter finally took action, telling Sultan that he must recognize this son immediately because he was planning to marry his daughter to Sultan. No idea whether this is true or not. I am not aware of any other sons or daughters in the al Saud family that were not recognized immediately by their fathers and there are plenty of offspring of jawari in the family genealogy, especially children of King Abdul Aziz. For instance, Waleed bin Talal's grandmother was an Armenian genocide survivor who was "given" to Abdul Aziz by a tribal sheikh. She is but one of the thousands of Armenian girls kidnapped and sold out of the convoys of deportees.

Harper

Bandar became poison for USIC after he also engineered a major missile sale to China, which involved technologies that were American and non-transferrable. Don't know whether this occurred before or after the Chinese missile shipments to Iraq that Col. Lang reported.

I urge all readers to read or reread the 28 page "missing" chapter from the original Congressional Joint Inquiry into 9/11, which dealt with evidence in FBI and CIA files on Saudi Royals complicity with the 9/11 hijackers. Also look at the ongoing FOIA case brought by the Florida Bulldog publication. FBI sat on 80,000 pages of documents relating to another 9/11 cell which was aided by a prominent Saudi businessman who worked for Royals. Mohammed Atta and two other hijackers frequently visited the Saudi family in a gated community in Sarasota, Fla. Shortly before the 9/11 attacks, the Saudi family abandoned their Florida home and almost all of their possessions.

Seems funding of Al Qaeda was a "consensus" policy of the Saudi Royals for a long time. The 9/11 families have a case in Federal Court for the Southern District of New York, which has a 900+ page filing which is the most comprehensive non-classified documentation of Saudi Royal funding of AQ I have ever read. Court dates are coming up at which Saudi government and royals will be reinstated as defendants under the JASTA act, which removed their sovereign immunity in a very narrow way that does cover their financial support for 9/11. Bandar is in the center of this.

If MBS is smart, he will rush to settle this case before the next phase of discovery really gets going. Stay tuned.

jsn

This statement is in my estimate scalable to the entire US political economy: in the US political economy the competition for advancement is so intense that those who get to the top are interested in little else.

It accounts for why so few people at the top actually do any good for anyone but themselves. It is a condition that has grown more pronounced and increasingly obvious, to me at least, since Bush 1 raised taxes when taxes needed raising, prosecuted financial fraudsters when they needed prosecuting and got drummed out of office for this service.

Since that time, all checks on the powerful have been systematically dismantled so that the best way to get away with your self serving misdemeanors is to get yourself promoted. Two classes advect to the top, sociopaths and the sycophants necessary to protect them from the consequences of their actions.

Anna

"The presence of Iran and its supported forces in Syria is legitimate", Lavrov was heard saying. Lavrov's denial of the previous Israeli claims that IRGC/Hezbollah will soon leave the south of Syria due to Israel's repeated requests, in fact comes as no surprise."
http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/11/irgc-and-hezbollah-are-welcome-to-stay.html

Anna

More on the same: http://theduran.com/breaking-russian-fm-lavrov-says-us-presence-syria-violates-geneva-agreements/
"Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has slammed the US for its presence in Syria being not only illegal, but deeply counterproductive. Lavrov also highlighted a statement from the Russian Defence Ministry which unequivocally accuses (with accompanying photographic evidence) the US of failing to target ISIS fighters in Syria while allowing them safe passage away from oncoming Syrian Arab Army liberators."
Wonder, what exactly the ziocons have promised to MbS for his travails against Syrian sovereignty?

The Porkchop Express

Ha! Bullshitters or co-conspirators?

Willybilly

you’re right, BOTH.....

Willybilly

ZOGUSA will kill this case so fast, it’ll make heads spin.... boomerang is a Bitch

Babak Makkinejad

I do not think US Courts will move against Saudi Arabia in cases related to 9/11/2001 attacks on US.

Such judgments would undermine US position, they will not come to pass.

US Courts, in cases of 9/11, have only moved against Iran.

eakens

The rounding up of Saudis had little to do with corruption, 9/11, etc. It is about confiscating their money so as to fund the adventures they wish to launch against Iran. There will be nothing for the 9/11 families to get if they can't attach SA itself, if MBS has his way.

iowa steve

You must forgive my ignorance of military matters, but I have never understood the "up or out" mindset of the military. Seems to me that an individual could be an excellent major for example, be perfectly satisfied with that position and his/her duties, have no particular desire for a higher rank, and still perform at a high level at that position.

Of course, the "bigger and better" mindset is certainly not limited to the military.

turcopolier

iowa steve

It is all about having an officer corps that can perform physically in the field. pl

rick

PL,

This seems like a Byzantine/Ottoman house cleaning by a crowned prince who wants to live to be king, and also actually to be king. Why are any of the detained still alive?

I have also heard Saudi custody described in terms of "the traditions of the British Navy", but without the rum. How likely is it that the detained, and especially "Bandar Bush", were handled that way? I have seen a story indicating that some of the detained have been discharged or at least transported from the detention hotel to the hospital.

Imagine

KSA owns at least $117B of US Treasury debt verified, I'm somehow remembering much more. KSA has had a "get out of jail free" card for decades because of this + supplying something like 25% of world's oil. US will be happier when it's energy-independent.

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