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09 November 2017

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kooshy

Yes, IMO definitely ayatollah Khamenie will ask for Muslims volunteers to defence of Lebanon.

turcopolier

VV

" ...Iran to Lebanon landline. " Why do you keep thinking that Israel would tolerate a trans-islam road that terminates in a Lebanese port? pl

charly

i think they big difference is that in the Med they speak Latin dialects and in the North they don't. This makes having a service in Latin in say Spain totally different than a Latin service in Denmark. A 13th century Spaniard who left his village could understand the service in while only a very educated Dane could.

charly

But than you would need to fly through Israel or Jordan and Syria with their own issues.

Yeah, Right

I am not quite sure how Israel can stop it, short of invading and occupying Lebanon.

UNSCR 1701 prevents the IDF from dropping bombs inside Lebanon itself, which is why all previous interdictions of "Hezbollah-bound" supplies involved attacks on warehouses/convoys/airports inside Syria.

Once those cargos make it over the border into Lebanon then they are safe from attack from the air, so there is no reason why those roads shouldn't be put to use.

Don't misunderstand me: if the Israelis start yet another war on Hezbollah then all bets are off, clearly the IDF will lay waste to anything that moves inside Lebanon.

But that's the only way the Israelis can "not allow" a road that culminates in a Lebanese port, and the calculation the Israelis will have to make is that they may very well start that war and.... be humiliated.

The Beaver

«Une proposition a été faite à la famille Hariri de désigner Baha, un frère de Saad, pour reprendre le flambeau politique»

http://www.lefigaro.fr/international/2017/11/10/01003-20171110ARTFIG00177-tractations-franco-saoudiennes-autour-du-sort-de-saad-hariri.php

Read that the brothers hate each other and that Saad's family resides in Riyadh.
Macron didn't meet with Saad Hariri but
Quelques heures avant l'arrivée du chef de l'État à Riyad, l'ambassadeur de France en Arabie, François Gouyette, avait rencontré Saad Hariri. Selon une source française, «le leader libanais était entouré d'officiels saoudiens pour cet entretien qui n'aurait pas duré très longtemps».

Thus he is a prisoner since he couldn't even have a tête à tête with the French Ambassador in Riyadh.Hopefully they spoke in French !

VietnamVet

Colonel,

I don’t think the Shiite militias will stop before unifying their lines of communications with Iraq and Iran and splitting Sunni territory in half. Israel may first try to have the Saudis conduct the bombing raids. But, that will be ineffective. Israel will have to widen the war or stand down. I don’t see how Israel can get away with bombing Iraqi and Iranian Shiite militias along the road without those nations arming them with anti-aircraft missiles and shooting down an Israeli jet. Adding a nuclear armed combatant to the regional war. If USA troops and contractors move south to cut the Shiite landline for its allies, it becomes a World War with Iraq, Iran and Russia.

The only way to avoid an ever-escalating regional war is a peace treaty where everyone returns to federations within existing borders and the American and Russian troops return to their barracks. Daesh remain but the Islamic State is no more.

johnf

Well, after all the posturing and screaming and fist-shaking by various parties - especially the Israelis/KSA/USA - suddenly the glowering thunder clouds magically disperse and the sun shines down.

A normally belligerent BBC reports first that Rex Tillerson warns off KSA (and by implication Israel) from any rash moves against The Lebanon:

"Lebanon Hariri crisis: Tillerson warns against Saudi-Iran proxy war

US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson has warned other countries against using Lebanon for proxy conflicts, following a crisis triggered by the resignation of its prime minister, Saad Hariri...

Mr Tillerson said he had received assurances that Mr Hariri was free.

Mr Hariri resigned a week ago while in the Saudi capital, Riyadh.

"There is no legitimate place or role in Lebanon for any foreign forces, militias or armed elements other than the legitimate security forces of the Lebanese state," Mr Tillerson said in a statement."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-41952533

Then, after reports on Friday that Trump and Putin would not meet in Vietnam and The Big Freeze was on, now the BBC reports they had THREE "very brief" meetings - the words "very brief" have since been dropped from the report.

It reports them as only discussing getting rid of IS.

Oh yeah!

They even wore matching shirts at the official photo session at the end.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-41953110

iowa steve

I agree with you. Too often the western powers use "US pressure" as a domestic political excuse to do exactly what they would do in any case. The elite in both Europe and the US share certain common interests.

LondonBob

Religion is always adapted to suit the people who practice it. No surprise that Protestantism in Europe arose amongst the Germanic/Nordic areas.

jonst

I respectfully disagree with you that the "....fundamental difference" between the two religions is who the relevant 'book' was delivered to. Thee fundamental difference between Islam and Christianity is one (Islam) claimed immediate and total political power, via a wink of approval from God, so to speak,, the other had 300 years or so dismissing said power, as well as dismissing 'this world'... Before it (Christianity) decided, how shall we say, to go for the gold.

Babak Makkinejad

The Western Fortress has stated its intention to get out of the JCPOA cease-fire deal; how could one expect it to pursue a policy such as you describe? Not in the cards.
Iranians have carved their Shia pie on the field of battle and are not going to go gently into that night.

Poul

Perhaps MbS is saying that in the new Saudi Arabia

"L'état, c'est moi"

LeaNder

Hmmm, ok. Oh dear, sweetheart.

Germanic/Nordic?

did it hurt the British much over the centuries of dissent? The lucky island? Because Henry VIII was inspired by it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_VIII_of_England

ex-PFC Chuck

Just saw a Tweet from someone I know nothing about saying that Bandar Bush has been arrested in the purge. If I find more I'll pass it on.

kooshy

Absolutely, under assistance and leadership of Iran Shia muslims are now an independent determining power in entire Western Asia no matter if US, KSA and others like it or not.
IMO, US’ wrong, hard headed and at times stupid policy and animosity (through multiple US Adminstrations) toward Iran’ revolution, was a big factor for Iranians to realize that their security will be greatly enhanced, by fully supporting and rylying on a region wide collective Shia Muslim security in Western Asia. In Iran this policy change, was realized and took place as the resault of Iran, Iraq war, fully supported (prescribed?) and financed by entire West, Sunni Arabs and USSR. IMO Iran’ Revolution was one of the most effective events of late 20th century, after almost 40 years, it’ effects has not been ( refused to be ) accepted by West or the Sunni western clientele.

Babak Makkinejad

In understanding that Iranian security cannot be protected from inside the Iranian borders and acting upon that understanding, Iranian leaders had adopted what USA had done after WWII.

Babak Makkinejad

I think also that the Islamic Republic, in incorporating the ideas of Separation of Powers, Parliamentary Independence, Universal Sufferage, Devolution of Power to cities and hamlets, and election for executive positions has been channeling the European ideas quite firmly into Islamic political theory.

Babak Makkinejad

And then there are such things as high-ways around Tehran, Nuclear Industry, Aviation, Electronics, Rocketry, Military industries that could all be traced back to Western, largely US, technology transfers.

outthere

quote
One of the most famous is Prince Bandar bin Sultan, a former Saudi ambassador to Washington and confidant of former US president George W Bush.

There is no word on his fate, but Saudi authorities said that one of the corruption cases they are looking at is the al-Yamamah arms deal, in which Bandar was involved.

Bandar bought a hamlet in Oxfordshire, in a picturesque area of central England, and a 2,000-acre sporting estate with part of the proceeds from kickbacks he received in the al-Yamamah arms deal, which netted British manufacturer BAE £43bn ($56.5bn) in contracts for fighter aircraft.

As much as $30m (£15m) is alleged to have been paid into Bandar’s dollar account at Riggs Bank in Washington and the affair led to corruption probes in the US and UK, although the case was dropped in the UK in 2006 after an intervention by then-prime minister Tony Blair.

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/exclusive-senior-figures-tortured-and-beaten-saudi-purge-1489501498

The Beaver

@ ex-PFC Chuck

I saw that detail in a piece in the MiddleEast Eye
http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/exclusive-senior-figures-tortured-and-beaten-saudi-purge-1489501498

Mark Logan

A speculation:

By simultaneously acting as if he is very much on board with the plan to Wahhabitize the Levant MBS made it difficult for the clerics to hate him overmuch, at least for the moment. This leads to a speculation this Lebanon war stuff could be, at least for the most part, but a gambit of his coup.

If he doesn't suspect Lebanon could become the quagmire of Yemen cubed SA and the region are in serious trouble.

kooshy

add Tehran and other large cities Metro, yes the Shia have proved they are better adapted to modernity , not only to modern technical and social lifestyles but also to be adaptive of modern law and politics, maybe the reason is, that they are minority and need commonly accepted norms for consensus?

Babak Makkinejad

Likely because of doctrine of Ijtihad and that they were Seljuk muslims earlier.

Peter AU

"Your statement indicates a mind set in which the little brown people have to be told what devilment to attempt. pl"

Something that greatly affected me a few years back. I had worked a couple of short periods with aboriginal people (black not brown) when I was young, that although a few differences in out outlook/background, worked the same as "white" people" and I simply thought of them as equals and thought no more of it. In many places there are aboriginal people who have lost their culture and so forth and the result is not good. This is what I was accustomed to.
In moving to an area where the people had moved from stone age hunter gather to the present in less than 100 years, in many cases within living memory, I was very unsure how to deal with them. Some local (white) people in the area told me how to treat blacks. It was something I could not do. I guess I must be some type of new age rainbow flag waving tree hugger or something, but I decided to treat them same as anyone else and pay the same wages as any other person I would have working for me.
Took awhile to get some workers as they had a great distrust for whitey's.
But one in particular I have never forgotten. Mid to late forties, when he introduced himself to me, said straight up he was and alcoholic.
After work, at the camp fire we always had two or three beers every night. He never asked for more.
After we had finished a stint of six weeks or so, I was heading to town for more supplies and the Derby rodeo so the two older blokes wanted to go in for that rather than go back to the community.
At the community, the elders told me I would never get D (introduced himself as alcoholic) back out of town once he got on the booze.
I dropped them in Derby and headed down to Broom as there was a few things I wanted there plus a weekend at a resort sort of place.
Monday morning, I pull into the petrol station at Derby to fuel the truck up before collecting and loading supplies for the next stint. As I was fuelling up, D turned up beside me, already with a cardboard cask or so under his belt, and asked me when we were leaving. What he said next totally stunned me and have not not been able to forget.
He said " I will go anywhere with you. You treat me like a man, not a blackfella"

I guess in your trade pl, you see more than anyone the shit that people do to each other, but.. a man in his late forties, a very honest and straightforward man, had never in his life been treated as a man by whites..

The other thing that happened - loading up with stores at the supermarket. It was also the grog shop and I would get about a pallet of beer along with food for the next stint out.
Alcoholism and drugs along with the associated crime required for acquisition, were a major problem with the aboriginal people that had moved to town, which was the majority. Always there were aboriginal people hanging in the supermarket carpark asking whitey's to buy them some grog.
Loading up the beer this day, for whatever reason, I had no one to watch the truck.
I came out and put the first couple of cartons on the truck, but the was a group of somewhat hostile aboriginal people siting on the curb near the front front of the truck. I was in a not so good situation as after putting a couple of cartons on the back, I could not leave it. Then being a bit green, I just thought f..k it and asked them to watch the truck for me.
The difference... they f..king watched that truck like hawks. The experience with the people of that area is something I will never forget.

And I look at the US and disciples bringing "freedom and democracy to brown people"

Not real sure how to take the "brown people" bit pl as you are hard to read, but I have no illusions based on peoples skin colour or culture. Smart and not smart, honest dishonest ect ect in all peoples.

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