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21 November 2017

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Heros von Borcke

When I claimed that Nato was little more than the Rothschild Army I was lambasted here. If the US military, which has control of Nato, is the ass of the Donkey, then what does that make Nato? Somehow every Nato secretary ends up being a Zionist/Neocon too, so the control is clearly complete.

In 1917, the Balfour declaration was addressed to Lord Rothschild, who simultaneously was instigating the Russian Revolution and the murder of his sworn enemy, the czar.

The point here is that Israel, more than anything else, is a creation of the House of Rothschild and during the decades of its creation there were numerous Jews who were rabidly opposed to the false claims of biblical justification. This is one reason why there are dozens of fake claims in the Zionist dominated newspapers of "6,000,000 dead Jews" starting in the pogroms of the late 1890's until they finally found a holocaust that they could make stick to use to justify land theft and extortion.

And extortion is the point here. Not only the US is being extorted for a few billion every year, other countries are forced to make massive extortion payoff's too. Switzerland and Sweden were forced to pay billions due to their having traded with Germany during the war and having accepted "nazi gold". Merkel famously gifted diesel-electric submarines to Israel, on top of the tribute that Germany still pays yearly.

There are dozens of ways that Israel, and jews in general, extort money from gentiles in forms of special jew taxes. One of these is the OU kosher certification which many manufacturers are forced to provide.

Peter Reichard

The Lavi fighter saga epitomizes the perverse nature of US-Israeli relations. The US offered over a billion dollars for its R&D, 250 million to be spent in Israel. The primary beneficiary was IAI a company which illegally tried to sell its Kfir jet to Peru in direct competition with Northrup, illegal because the Kfir's GE J-79 engines came free of charge and with an End User Certificate preventing their re-export. Informed of this Congress responded by increasing the Israeli largess to 450 million. In the end Israel decided not to build the plane but sold the plans to the Chinese whose J-10 aircraft, their first home-grown state of the art fighter, while not a part for part copy does bear a striking resemblance to the Lavi. Both the British and American aviation press claim the J-10 could not have been built as quickly and cheaply as it was without Israeli help. With friends like these .....

gaikokumaniakku

>is it the brute force arm twisting and virtual bribery that AIPAC works upon Congress?

Mostly it is about the bribery. To some degree it is about the blackmail. If Hillary gets convicted for uranium - or pizza trafficking - perhaps the extent of corruption will become widely known, and perhaps the populace will be moved to wrath.

Poul

Smart policy move from India? Leave Israel wanting to get back into India's good graces with some extra technology transfers. My impression is that India plays Israel well on arms tech. Get as much as they can with as little in return as possible. Don't the US sometimes put their foot down and blocks an arms deal.

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/India-Israel/India-cancels-500-million-missile-deal-with-Israel-514708

"India has become one of Israel’s largest buyers of military hardware, with annual defense deals worth over $1b.

“Usually, all the [defense] deals between Israel and India included some technology transfer, which India could not get anywhere else in Europe or America,” said Shapir. “As long as we can supply better technology on better terms, India will welcome it.” He added that relations could deteriorate again, due to India’s strong ties to Iran and much of the Arab world."

Bob Smith

Once Israel has sucked America dry . . got them in a strangle hold in National debt, bought out all Corporations that are profitable and useful for their cause . . and all the time Americans believe Israel is doing them a favour in the Middle East.
Remember that's what the Russians believed, the British, the German, the French, the Arabs & the Turks believed. Now its China's turn . . now their done with the U.S. . . how long or how deep in debt must you go before you wake up America and how many Goyim children must die for these Talmudists. Work it out . .

David Habakkuk

All,

The notes from the recent speech given by Shoshana Bryen at the American Zionist Conference which were published under the title ‘The U.S. Military as a Zionist Organisation’ are I think very interesting – thanks to ‘b’ for the link.

(See http://mondoweiss.net/2017/11/clinton-scandals-entailed/ .)

I am not in a position to gauge whether the confidence she expresses in the continued enthusiasm of the American military for Israel is well-founded. What makes me slightly sceptical is her description of ‘the British’ as ‘our other best friend in the world’. This may still be largely true, if one looks solely at the élite level, but in pursuing ‘neoconservative’ and ‘neoliberal’ policies the leaderships of both major parties have drastically undermined their own legitimacy. To an extent the resulting backlash is already turning antisemitic, and may become much more so.

It was also interesting that Ms Bryen relied extensively on the views of our former Chief Rabbi, Lord Jonathan Sacks, given that he has little understanding of the attitudes of people in this country outside the narrow circles in which it appears he moves.

In September 2016, he gave a speech to the European Parliament entitled ‘The Mutating Virus: Understanding Antisemitism’, in which it was claimed that: ‘Antisemitism is not about Jews. It is about anti-Semites. It is about people who cannot accept responsibility for their own failures and have instead to blame someone else.’

(See http://rabbisacks.org/mutating-virus-understanding-antisemitism/ .)

A short answer to this is that ‘anti-semitism’ is not a single thing, and to use the experience of the Shoah as establishing that it is never, at any place and time, related to what Jews themselves do is not only stupid but reckless. If one has decided in advance that any resentment purportedly provoked by one’s actions and attitudes has nothing to do with them, one will have no means of avoiding doing things that may provoke resentment.

As a matter of fact, Rabbi Sachs habitually talks in ways that raise the hackles of many people who have no predisposition whatsoever to scapegoat Jews. In the conclusion to a piece he published in May 2015, under the title ‘We never forget Jerusalem’, we read:

‘We have had the privilege to be born in a generation that has seen Jerusalem reunited and rebuilt. We have seen the Jewish people come home.

‘Today God is calling on us all to be Guardians of Zion. Never has this been more important. We must all stand up for the one home our people has ever known and the one city our people has loved more than any other. We are all shagrirey medinat Yisrael (ambassadors for the State of Israel) and we must all make Israel’s case in a world that sometimes fails to see the beauty we know is here. Let us all take on that task. With Hashem’s help, we will succeed and we pray may the world make its peace with Israel so that Israel and Israel’s God can bring peace to the world.’

(See http://rabbisacks.org/we-never-forget-jerusalem/ .)

In a couple of paragraphs, Rabbi Sachs has done a number of things:

1. He has raised a rather large question as to whether, in his Zionist conception, most of the Jews I have admired and learned from are really Jews at all. Take Osip Mandelstam, one of the greatest of Russian Christian poets, whose ode denouncing Stalin cost him his life (apparently, Yagoda – a rather different kind of Jew – knew it by heart.) In another poem, Mandelstam wrote ‘We shall meet again, in Petersburg, as though we had buried the sun there’. I was reminded of those lines when visiting a schoolfriend of my late mother’s, and seeing the walls of the house her father – a secular Jew who had fled the Bolshevik Revolution – still covered with prints of St. Petersburg.

And then there was the great French historian Marc Bloch, who shouted ‘Vive la France!’ as he and his Resistance comrades faced a Gestapo firing squad in June 1944, having told the teenage boy next to him it wouldn’t hurt. From his classic study ‘Strange Defeat’:

‘I was born in France, I have drunk the waters of her culture. I have made her past my own. I breathe freely only in her climate, and I have done my best, with others, to defend her interests.’

It would be easy to multiply examples among Jews, from many countries – in particular Germany – including some refugees and their children I have known personally. But it is not really clear whether, in the view of Rabbi Sachs, such people can be classed as Jews.

2. If indeed a Jew living outside Israel follows the Chief Rabbi, sees that country as home, and loves Jerusalem with the passion evident in the passage I have quoted, then it is simply silly to suggest that questions raised about his or her loyalty to the country in which he or she lives can be dismissed as scapegoating.

In fact, multiple and complex loyalties are perfectly natural and normal, and as long as the different loyalties are not perceived as being in conflict, can be completely unproblematic. When they are so perceived, the results can be tragic.

Where the compatibility of different loyalties is in question, however, it is peculiarly foolish to dismiss those who believe there are real tensions as simply engaged in scapegoating – and if anything even worse to define the interests of both countries in ways that suggest they are identical, when the wish may be becoming father of the thought. (Doing this has led ‘neoconservatives’ to produce dubious definitions of Israeli interests, as well as American.)

To suggest that the grounds on which I and many others have opposed British policy over Iraq and Syria – and also Ukraine and Russia – have anything whatsoever to do with a dislike of Jews is complete BS, and makes people angry.

While some of the most cogent critics of those policies have been Jewish, it is a fact that very many of the most influential champions of them have been, and this championship has in many cases quite clearly reflected both Zionist commitment and Jewish trauma. Simply to suggest that Israel and its lobbies in Britain and the United States have sought peace, and others have caused war, as Rabbi Sachs implies, is infantile.

So if you ask me candidly whether I regard Rabbi Sachs as unequivocally loyal to this country – or indeed, journalists like Jonathan Freedland, Gideon Rachman, Martin Wolf, or David Aaronovitch, to take a few among many – then of course I do not.

The whole tenor of Rabbi Sachs’s speech to the European Parliament is premised upon the assumption that people like me would regard Jews leaving as tragic. If however things continue along present lines, he may have the shock of his life, when people finally shrug their shoulders, and say: ‘If you want to go, what’s stopping you?’

3. The reason why the world ‘sometimes fails to see the beauty we know is here’ in Israel is, to be blunt, that many people cannot see any beauty whatsoever in Benjamin Netanyahu. And it goes far beyond that.

Take a look, for example, at the annual lists of the 50 most influential Jews produced by the ‘Jerusalem Post’ – the criterion, apparently, relating to ‘the power to shape his or her community and surrounding communities.’ This year’s top three: Jared Kushner/Ivanka, Gail Gadot, Benjamin Netanyahu; last year’s, Haim Saban, Benjamin Netanyahu, Sheldon Adelson; for 2015, Benjamin Netanyahu, Janet Yellen, Jack Lew.

See http://www.jpost.com/Poll/50Influencers2017/50Influencers2017.aspx?ResultGroup=2 http://www.jpost.com/50-Influencers-2016 http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/50-most-influential-Jews-403742

There does seem here to be both a Jewish and American tragedy – that there is commonly an inverse correlation among Jews in the United States, and also increasingly in Britain, between genuine ability and influence.

So, for example, Stephen F. Cohen, whose book on Bukharin was actually an event in Russian history, and who has a record of being right about developments in the post-Soviet space, is widely reviled as a ‘Putin apologist.’ Meanwhile, Julia Ioffe, who is stupid and nasty, is treated as an expert on Russia at the Aspen Security Forum.

In this situation, to dismiss the convictions of people who think that Jews have too much influence as scapegoating is, again, simply silly. The wrong Jews do.

4. Particularly counter-productive is a form of sleazy dishonesty which is well exemplified by the conclusion to the passage from Rabbi Sachs which Shoshana Bryen quotes.

He argues that the notion of covenant is presupposed by the line in the Declaration of Independence that: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights.” And he then goes on to say that: ‘They are self-evident only to people who have internalized the Hebrew Bible.’

A great deal more could be said about this. A salient point, however, is that a key part of the backlash on both sides of the Atlantic relates a radicalisation of the individualism expressed in the Declaration.

This abstract universalism now often expresses itself in hostility to whites and to the traditional cultures of many ‘old settler’ Americans – and there are similar processes visible on this side of the Atlantic. A central manifestation of this is enthusiasm for unrestricted immigration, which is, to my mind, lunatic.

Leaving that aside, however, there is a growing perception – and a justified one – that many influential Jews are happy to side with those who attack what one might call traditional white Christian ‘tribal’ identities, while assuming that the ‘Shoah’ gives Jews an indefinite right to the preservation of a Jewish tribal identity.

This ‘having your cake and eating it too’ performance is not sustainable. More and more of us, I think, are looking forward to the moment when, say, Bret Stephens and David Brooks pen a thundering editorial in the ‘New York Times’, saying ‘Mr Prime Minister – Tear Down that Wall.’

Babak Makkinejad

But what did Rotschild gain from the wars of disintegrate of Yugoslavia?
Or from NATO's march East, towards W.W.3?

rjj

Extrapolating from the above mentioned list of 50, a list of 100 would include Bernie Madow and Leona Helmsley.

It's agitprop -- bait.

rjj

Seems to me the Jewish predicament is that they number 15 million in a world with 1.3 and 1.4 billion Indians and Chinese respectively. Am guessing this is experienced as a threat to their post-ww2 intellectual, cultural, and economic supremacy.

All living organisms at all levels of organization have survival strategies for overcoming disadvantage. See Darwin and/or Adler and/or Clausewitz and/or Kautilya for different but similar -- variations on a theme -- descriptions of how that goes.

outthere

as usual, your analysis is provocative and I mostly agree, but you say
"to dismiss the convictions of people who think that Jews have too much influence as scapegoating is, again, simply silly. The wrong Jews do."

In my view, Jews do have too much influence over the government of the USA, but it is NOT just a matter of "the wrong jews" as you state.
Consider the Supreme Court, where 3 of 9 justices are jews, also noteworthy that 5 are catholic. Gorsuch is the 9th, and he was raised catholic but became an episcopalian. Until Gorsuch was appointed, there were no protestants on the Court, none, zero.
And of course there are no atheists, or muslims or buddhists or hindus.
I do not fault the jewish members of the Court, rather I ask for analysis of how this small minority of perhaps 2% came to occupy one third of the seats of the Court.
And catholics with 22% of the population, hold 5 of 9 seats on the Court.
Perhaps the answer is there are no intelligent articulate protestants in the USA?? I don't think that is the answer.

Richardstevenhack

A sampling...

Four Part Series Carl Cameron Israeli Spies in U.S.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k43_NKYs50

9/11 – Whar Was Israel's Role?
https://www.antiwar.com/justin/j121701.html

9/11 Suspects: Dancing Israelis
https://www.corbettreport.com/911-suspects-dancing-israelis/

The Apollo Affair
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apollo_Affair

How Israel Stole the Bomb
https://consortiumnews.com/2016/09/11/how-israel-stole-the-bomb/

Lavon Affair
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

There's more - Google is your friend.

outthere

Here is an analysis of how much Israel spent to influence USA elections
Washington - Which Nation is Really Interfering in the Electoral Process?
http://viableopposition.blogspot.ru/2017/07/washington-which-nation-is-really.html

SmoothieX12

Meanwhile, Julia Ioffe, who is stupid and nasty, is treated as an expert on Russia at the Aspen Security Forum.

Far from being an exception, Ioffe is a typical representative of the American (meaning Soviet-Russian Jewish immigration) so called Russia "scholarship" and "expertdom". Masha Gessen is another highly quoted and referred to "expert" on Russia, same goes for Herirage's Ariel Cohen--the guy is a jike. This IS the level of American Russia "expertdom". Having said that, there is another side to this "expertise"--it was and still is in demand and not by American Jews only.

rjj

how old are the Catholics and where did they go to school? I know Google is my friend.

Will.2718

Obama's SC justice nominee Merrick Brian Garland would have made it 4/9. Nobody seemed to care. An appointed SC should reflect America, that's just my opinion.

MRW

What ?!?

Colonel, this a-hole can get away with this claim? She’s allowed to make this statement without some military condemnation of any sort?

MRW

Exactly. The stuff they wrap around FDR and blame him for is BS.

MRW

Ditto.

MRW

Yeah. Judeo-Christian is 20th C BS designed by Jerry Falwell and his ilk.

Menachem Begin wanted to get around Jimmy Carter and stop any upcoming agreements between Israel and Palestine--should Carter have won a second term--so he decided to hook up with Jerry Falwell (starting 1979) and only communicate with Reagan through Falwell and Falwell's new magic red phone to the White House. How the Evangelicals and Christian Right won power.

There was no compatibility between the two religions. Begin said it should be ridding the world of homosexuality. Falwell said he and his group could agree on that.

They fashioned Judeo-Christian to deal with all this. Babak is right.

MRW

"I certainly hope you have some evidence to support all of these claims, particularly the 9-11 claim."

Oh fercrissake, mikee, you’re years out of the touch. The info was on TV the day of 9/11, for one thing. The woman who saw them and called the police described the high-fiving act with the lighters to cops and reporters.

Israeli TV said the Israeli team had "gone to NYC to film the event.” Their words. This was of course before 9/11 ever happened.

Keeping waiting with baited breath. You’re over a decade out of touch. Richardstevenhack doesn’t owe you anything.

MRW

"In my heart I'm hoping that most Israelis would agree"

Not a chance. Naive.

turcopolier

james

This is not a public forum. you are my guests. My reasons for not posting something have been stated many times. If I find something you write offensive I don't post it. pl

Yeah, Right

"A never ending "Marshall Plan" for Israel of about 1% of Israel's GDP."

That is not the correct measure.

Military expenditure is a line-item in a government budget, which is a statement that is as true in Israel as it is in any country.

US military aid accounts for over 25% of the Israel budget allocation to the IDF (total is 70.7 billion shekels, of which 18.5 billion shekels is US aid i.e. only 52.2 billion shekels comes from Israeli government revenue).

So, a simple question: could any country suffer a 25% cut in its military budget and not notice?

The simple answer is "no", military effectiveness would be gutted by such a shortfall.

The amount of US military aid to Israel is chicken-feed to the USA, but never forget that it is the life-blood of the IDF and without it the IDF would be decidedly second-rate.

rjj

"Judeo-Christian" was first used in 1847.

fanto

..."more parasitical than the symbiosis..."
look at the gauging of consumers of medications by the company TEVA

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