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25 November 2017

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The Beaver

Colonel,

Some members of the media reporting on the tragedy yesterday :
The terrorists, shooting at civilians during the Sinai attack, were yelling: "Allahu Akbar, kill the Kharijites".

Bill Herschel

Thank you very much for this enlightening and knowledgeable background and explanation.

james

thanks for this post pat.. more would benefit from being educated on these differences and it would allow a wider understanding and appreciation of islam.. thanks for doing this..

of course salafism and wahabbism share much in common.. i am not sure how much difference there is, but i would say they are all fanatical in their ideology.. as i understand it these attackers were isis nutjobs, aka salafist, wahabbist whack jobs..

Publius Tacitus

Yep, you don't get this kind of depth even from Charlie Rose. Thanks for sharing the insights. It really does help put event into a proper context.

Laura

Thank you, Colonel, there is so much to know and understand.

Will.2718

Yet, a militant Sufi Order in Iraq blended w Daesh
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_the_Men_of_the_Naqshbandi_Order

turcopolier

Will2718

Wy do you do this charade of using a different name? the Naqshbandiya or part of it made this deal with the IS devils to resist the US occupation. pl

Babak Makkinejad

This was a relatively recent order, a branch of Beduwayyah/Ahmadiyyah. The dead , including 25 children, belonged to Al-e Jorjiyeh tribe. They oppose music, keep women at home, and are known for other such. It did not protect them.

Babak Makkinejad

Every official in police and military has to be sacked. Sisi knows how to murder 2000 people in one day in Cairo...

Poul


Are we going to see the Egyptian government ignore elements of the peace treaty with Israel? If I recall correctly there are size limits on the number of troops allow in Sinai.

It looks like permanent bases are required to shut down Sinai for jihadi groups.

JohnB

Will 2718

Interesting that should mention the Naqshbandi Sufi sect in Iraq. As the Col has said on many occasions there are many faces to Islam, so there are different strands within Sufism The ‘Mahadi’ of General Gordon fame was a Sufi as were most of his followers in Sudan.

It was the Dervish Mehmet Efendi, a Naqshbandi Sufi who began the armed revolt in Turkey against Mustafa Kemal’s policies of forced secularisation in 1930.

Sultan Erdogan and most of the followers of The AKP are part of the Khaledi branch of the Naqshbandi Sufi order. This branch of the order is very much part of the Sunni tradition unlike other Sufi’s orders who I believe all trace there lineage to Ali.

turcopolier

JohnB

Sufi tariqas are not sects any more than the Franciscans or Jesuits are sects within the Catholic Church. It would be more accurate to call them communities. There are both Sunni and Shia tariqas but most are Sunni. pl

Will.2718

Two great medieval islamic books are "The Incoherence of the Philosophers" by al-Ghazal and its later refutation by Ibn Rushd aka Averroes . "His [Averroes] most important original philosophical work was The Incoherence of the Incoherence (Tahafut al-tahafut), in which he defended Aristotelian philosophy against al-Ghazali's claims in The Incoherence of the Philosophers (Tahafut al-falasifa)."

Across the centuries, al Ghazali wins in the court of public opinion. Religion is a matter of the heart and intuition and not of words/kalam.

Babak Makkinejad

Idrisi tariqat had much to do with the creation of Libya.

JohnB

Col

Yes, communities or indeed groupings would have been a more accurate description.

Babak Makkinejad

Ghazali won, yes, but Muslims lost; they became abject failures writ large as they they did not posess the analytical tools to deal with the world that Western Christians had wrought.

The Beaver

Poor poor Rita Katz (SITE) still asking as to why ISIS has not made a claim yet!
https://twitter.com/Rita_Katz/status/934160927049633792

She forgets that the "caliphate" does not exist anymore and that the leadership is on the run.

Hood Canal Gardner

All .. re how we got here..David Stockman's lucid broad-brush take. Worth a read to the end if up to it. Decent perspectives and 20th century ME gloss for some hereI IMO. I'da knitted-in the Black Sox parallel start & finish ... fits today but that's just me.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-26/thanksgiving-2017-david-stockman-explains-why-there-no-peace-earth

Serge

Propaganda apparatus hasn't broken down at all, volume has sure decreased esp since the fall of Mosul. There were many claims on the day of the attack and since, but no mention of this attack.

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