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LondonBob

Of course the early Christians were ferociously persecuted so perhaps this helped colour their attitudes somewhat. Indeed the leading figures in shaping the early Church – Augustine, Ambrose, Jerome, Chrysostom, Cyril – had much stronger opinions than Luther. These early Church fathers did not attempt to convert Jews, but regarded them as members of an essentially alien group against whom Christians should define themselves, just as Jews defined themselves in contrast to gentiles. Constantine the Great, the emperor who in 313 issued the edict legalizing Christianity throughout the empire, was so hostile to Jewish power and influence that a good case can be made that his Christianity, at least in part, was a means of promoting anti-Jewish policies. Of course one must note that these attitudes were not unique to Christians but shared widely amongst the differing groups and sects of the Roman Empire. As Cicero noted "See how unanimously they stick together, how influential they are in politics."

Of course paradoxically the Nazis despised Christianity for its universalism and assimilationist attitudes.

MRW

No. Not at all.

elkern

RSH -
The big flaw in your "Deep State" theory is the implication that it is singular and monolithic. I would heartily agree with the your statement that "There is ALWAYS a group colluding for their own interests", if you had pluralized it to "groups". Every sufficiently large organization (ie, Nation-States) has multiple power-centers which compete, cooperate, and screw up in different times & different ways.

I consider Eisenhower's warning about the Military-Industrial [-Congressional] complex to be spot-on, but it's a "complex", not a "conspiracy". It is a phenomenon which emerges from the uncontrolled way our elections are funded and the (huge?) profits from military contracts.

Likewise, the trend of Israelocentric (sp?)influence on US foreign & military policy is mostly possible because of the effect of campaign donations on elections (especially primaries).

Every system has flaws, and the low viscosity of money causes it to flow toward the leaky parts.

Babak Makkinejad

I have a theory - albeit rough on the edges - what is your?

Oil?

Babak Makkinejad

The dynamics?

Which part of a religious war you fail to grasp?

kooshy

I can assure you, there would not be a single Shia Arab out there, including Hassan Nasrallah and Nori Al Maliki that is pro Persian or Pro Iran, if it wasn’t for the common threat against Shia minority by the Sunni majority and their gulf Arab petrodollar coffers which brings in the support and interests of the west. That common threat against the Shia minority as can be seen in Bahrain, in Yemen in Syria and elsewhere is what makes all this Shia Arab find a common security cause and unification with Iran. That was the security architecture that Ayatollah Khomeini geniusly designed and implemented which has elevated and safeguarded Iran’s security ever since.

Eric Newhill

Richardstevenhack,
Seriously? You sound like you've been hitting the hookah with Juan Cole. How come with you it's always America the bad guy and all the other world players (e.g. Kim Jung Un, The Islamic Govt of Iran, etc) are all innocent victims? Just because the US arguably has a destructive mess of policy as relates to Muslims, doesn't make any of the Muslims into good guys. Iran regularly issues all kinds of threats to Israel and to various Sunnis. The threats are returned, of course. Arguing who started it is a fools errand at this point. The climate of tension and hostility exist. Period. Your going to call me a racist or something, but you are not comprehending the middle-eastern mind, which is quite different from your own.

Babak,

Yes I agree that the US posture toward Iran is impossible and stupid.

Kooshy,
yes. I know what US policy intends to do re; Iran. However, US actions have exactly the opposite effect and the results are highly predictable to the point that I am baffled that our policy makers can't see it. Lots of people said that the result of removing Saddam's Baathist party would result in a Shia controlled Iraq and a closer relationship w/ Iran. I even said that before it happened. It was also clear that going after Assad would result in an reinforcing of the bonds of the so called "shia crescent". This ain't rocket science. Our policy makers are very stupid, very delusional or clever by half (probably all of the above).

LeaNder

Entertaining, Bandolero,;)

On the other hand wasn't there this historical/mythical link to Raqqa which surfaced in ISIS propaganda?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raqqa#Early_Islamic_period

Maybe Kooshy remembers, at least if I am not completely misguided by ill-aligned data stored on my synapses.

LeaNder

mike, the "dippel" connects to the dialect variant "schisser", which no doubt is a Scheißer or shitter in heigh German. Since the diphthong just as the long vowel cannot be followed by double "ss".

I misspelled the variant I am familiar with Dipfelesch"ie"ßer, based on that I surely would understand the Swizz or Austrian variants, if I encountered them.

This is vaguely with English Outsider in mind, who claims to have been tortures by the German spelling reform. Actually I was too, but I wasn't alone in matters:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_orthography_reform_of_1996

******

I read your response on the Kurdish desire in Iraq. Didn't feel like responding there. The latest news in Europe concerning more autonomous rights, mind you no independent statehood, come from Italy.

LeaNder

I agree, that usage stuck out.

Castellio

I'm sorry that mentioning Popper makes you jump. For the record, I'm not a great fan of his (nor Kuhn) and if push comes to shove, in all that group arguing at that time, my preferred thinker is Peter Munz.

I was, specifically, trying to point to a reference to the push and pull between facts and framework, so that an historical framework would not deny/hide the facts changing the historical condition. That simple.

Castellio

In a place like Somalia you've written off the Sufi tradition?

LeaNder

IMO there would have to be some sort of catastrophe that provided a catharsis so profound that basic assumptions had to be re-examined. pl

Worth repeating.

if I may, I never tried, but for this nitwit "the Borg" if I were forced to try to define it, might circle around a 'foreign polite society' caught in some type of moment of inertia. Loads, and loads of accumulated expert wisdom that would take ages to sort out and/or to discard, on the other hand some type of urgency dictated by the real world out there.

Annem

Who is the "He" who is supposed to be saying these things? From my perspective, depending on the circumstances, communities, nations or their leaders cooperate on any layer of their identities, to include religion, religious sect, ethnicity, nation, region, or broader international coalitions or ideology. That is neither right nor wrong, simply a matter of human social organization that can be seen throughout history.

Babak Makkinejad

Sufi Tradition? It is foremost a Seljuk Tradition. You think Sufis came out of the barren lands of Arabia? You are truly clueless; go lookup major works of Sufi Muslims that expound the theoretical basis of Sufi approach to Islam - they are all in the form of Persian poetry - from Attar to Shabestari.

Babak Makkinejad

Then your perspective be wrong.

Kooshy

“probably all of the above” or tied up by Borg, without an option for any better choice.

Croesus

me too.

wow Col., that's a surprising statement.
My first political memories are of my parents' dislike for Ike.

Croesus

Polish Catholicism is entirely different from Italian Catholicism. I've been both -- actually, if you factor in American Irish Catholicism, I've been all three. Italian Catholics are the best -- most holy-joe pious, least likely to obey.

Croesus

Do you really think the Pole- or Italian- or Irishman- in- the- pew knows Popper from Kuhn from beeswax candles?

Castellio

You know I don't think that.

As replied to Lemur "I was, specifically, trying to point to a reference to the push and pull between facts and framework, so that an historical framework would not deny/hide the facts changing the historical condition. That simple."

And I was writing in response to Babak wrote, hardly launching an appeal to the Poles, Italians and Irish in their pews.

Castellio

Polish Catholicism is different from Italian Catholicism (although I think the word "entirely" is the wrong modifier for different), which is also different from American Irish Catholicism.

Wasn't that my point? That using the word Catholic to build a predictive historical framework doesn't work – in fact – because of the differences being suppressed by a single concept?

Castellio

I don't deny the roots, I do deny I'm clueless.

Are you saying that post-Khomeini "Shia Doctors" are actually going to strengthen the Sufi traditions in East Africa?

Richardstevenhack

"Iran regularly issues all kinds of threats to Israel and to various Sunnis."

Citations, please. Preferably dated in a timeline. You can't do it. Whereas Israel has been pushing the US for war with Iran since forever and explicitly saying so.

"Your going to call me a racist or something, but you are not comprehending the middle-eastern mind, which is quite different from your own."

Whereas you are an expert in the "middle-eastern mind"? Based on what experience, education and training? The Colonel at least has all three.

Babak Makkinejad

No.

I am saying that you have two choices - bad and worse.

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