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24 October 2017

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turcopolier

falcmartello

you seem to have gotten the sequence backward. According to Bezos' blog (washpost) the oppo project began with a GOP rival and then wa spicked up by the democrats. pl

turcopolier

Lars

you seem detached from reality. There is no evidence in sight. the twitter and FB stuff means nothing. the amount of money involved is trivial and the people who won the election for DJT in the midwest seem unlikely to be social media types. mark Warner, once a seemingly stable man now bleats that "we will never give up investigating." Gillespie's near win in the last senatorial race in Virginia clearly frightened Warner and he has moved left to cope with that. pl

LeaNder

DNC/Clinton mob had payed this shill to dig up dirt on Orangatang man. They R/V it and came to the conclusion that it was not all that verifiable

Leaving out Orangatang man. But is this what happened? Can we more then speculate about the precise chronology of events?

From my admittedly limited grasp--not only low IQ, bad reading comprehension capabilities, foreign language and all--my more superficial impression was the the dossier was ordered by an undisclosed GOP party, that then--according to general consent--had no further interest in continuing research or more dirt. Here we are left to speculation: ordered it to be passed it on to the DNC, or the firm on their own decided the product they had to sell should find other interested partners.

There's the crux for me. Did they get it, then realize it was not worth attention, and hired party looked for a new customer? Or ...?

William Fitzgerald

Pat Lang,

Yes. That's the logical progression.

WPFIII

Matthew

Col: Unlike Lars, I read "Russian interference" as "Russian foreign policy." It would be gross negligence for the Russians not to attempt to shape the world to their needs....

Isn't that what nation states do?

LeaNder

And if you got Clinton "locked up" the larger transactionary business between gray-black-and seemingly white market players is returned to lily white?

Or simply another group playing a somewhat modulated/adjusted game can take over? That's my assumption, Tell me why I must be wrong.

jsn

Mueller may have some explaining to do himself:
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/355937-fbi-informant-blocked-from-telling-congress-about-russia-nuclear

Cameron

Until I see some compelling evidence, I'm not going to take the allegations of Russian interference in the election seriously. Why in the world would the Russians bother trying to subvert representative government here when actual Americans themselves are doing a bang-up-job of it with gerrymandering and voter suppression? I suspect Mr. Putin alternates between laughing and shaking his head in amazement at how Our Leaders keep falling into rabbit holes they themselves have dug.

Lars

History will eventually decide who is detached from reality. Of course those embedded in the Trump Cult will be the last ones to get it. There are multiple investigations going on and not all of them will come up empty. So the excuses are already being fabricated. Which indicates that there is something to be discovered.

DianaLC

Here's my perspective as an ex-public-school teacher:

I can't wait until Bill and Hillary fade from the American consciousness. Presidents getting sexually serviced in the WH as a subject in the news. A "feminist" blaming the women her POTUS husband attacked. Do we need that in our "current events" reports?

When these two are gone, along with their brain-dead lackeys: "Stop the Hate" Brazille and Little Debbie, among so many others, I won't have to feel like showering every time I listen to the news.

Putin is laughing until his sides hurt about all this. He messed up our political process without having to do anything himself. Please tell Staples to recall all those reset buttons. (Wait! Do we have to blame Romney since he supposedly helped Staples grow? I don't want to start a different conspiracy theory.)

The Clintons--We'll be watching the documentary of their criminal activities along with the documentaries of the all the other crime families someday.

Kutte

I agree that Herr Müller is so anti-Trump that it stinks. But I think, unlike Comey, he is smart enough to realize that the best laid plans of men and mice can go astray. There might a banana peel with his name on it waiting for him. I dont think he wants to overdo it and be to blatant. People are easily deceived, but not quite as easily as before. I think there are encouraging signs of an uprising against "them" (take your favorite).

bks

This is just a reprise of what was known even before the election. Here's the money quote from the WaPo article, emphasis mine:
"Elias and his law firm, Perkins Coie, retained the company in April 2016 on behalf of the Clinton campaign and the DNC. **Before that agreement, Fusion GPS's research into Trump was funded by an unknown Republican client during the GOP primary**."

pantaraxia

Meanwhile the Uranium One/Clinton Foundation scandal may finally be blown wide open with various Congressional committees set to investigate.

see: SEAN HANNITY (approx. 19 min)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2NdDPn38g8

Hannity goes on his usual rant. It is, however, based on solid reporting from The Hill and Circa. The reporting implicates the DoJ and the executive office in covering up a major investigation in a Russian bribery/extortion/money laundering operation related to the Uranium One deal. This includes the muzzling of an FBI informant by the DOJ as well as withholding knowledge of this criminal investigation from Congress while the Uranium One deal was under consideration.


In yet another twist of the Russian collusion narrative: According to a source who supposedly worked there, Manafort spent years working with none other than the Podesta Group on behalf of Russian oligarchs.

see: Tucker Carlson (approx 13 min)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c3bWIs4hI0

Richardstevenhack

Here's the reality of the alleged Facebook and Twitter "Kremlin trolls" story...

A Brief History of the “Kremlin Trolls”
http://thesaker.is/a-brief-history-of-the-kremlin-trolls/

In short, it's a CIA disinformation operation for which the culprits have been arrested by Russian authorities.

You fell for another of John Brennan's disinformation operations. As Sy Hersh said in his notorious audio recording, the entire Russiagate nonsense is run by the CIA.

blue peacock

Lars,

What if Mueller's "tried and true methods used against organized crime" ensnares the Democrats - Podesta & Clinton? Would that imply to partisans like you that Mueller is biased?

Tucker Carlson gave an explosive monologue last night after a former executive of the Podesta Group contacted the Fox host with "direct personal knowledge" of a report that former FBI director Robert Mueller's Special Counsel is investigating the Washington Lobbying firm founded by John and Tony Podesta.

The former executive who has been "extensively" interviewed by Mueller's team, said the FBI probe is now focusing on people in Washington who have worked as de-facto operatives on behalf of Russian government and business. To that end, Carlson's source made several shocking claims about Paul Manafort and the Podesta Group peddling Russian influence throughout Washington D.C. - focusing primarily on access to the Obama administration, and heavily involved with the Clinton Foundation and the Uranium One deal.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-25/former-podesta-group-executive-says-firm-peddled-russian-oligarchs-all-over-dc-paul-

FourthAndLong

I think your recollection is correct. I read in several places that the Jeb Bush organization first ordered up the dirty dossier. And it was subsequently passed around after JB dropped out.

jld

Hey! But Lars is correct at least on one point:

we now have the most corrupt administration since Harding and that process started even before the campaign

From your link:
An American businessman who worked for years undercover as an FBI confidential witness was blocked by the Obama Justice Department from telling Congress about conversations and transactions he witnessed related to the Russian nuclear industry's efforts to win favor with Bill and Hillary Clinton and influence Obama administration decisions
.../...
Toensing [the businessman's attorney] said she also possesses memos that recount how the Justice Department last year threatened her client when he attempted to file a lawsuit that could have drawn attention to the Russian corruption during the 2016 presidential race as well as helped him recover some of the money Russians stole from him through kickbacks during the FBI probe.
The undercover client witnessed “a lot of bribery going on around the U.S.” but was asked by the FBI to sign a nondisclosure agreement (NDA) that prevents him from revealing what he knows to Congress.

Good find...


Eric Newhill

Kutte,
Mueller is about to be in a position where he either starts taking democrat scalps or he must step down and perhaps be scalped himself. After all, he was FBI dir. when the Uranium deal was approved and he apparently overlooked (putting it nicely) some damning related testimony.

The Trump admin has pulled off a jiu jitsu move that I would say is remarkable, except that his opponents are such arrogant idiots that they really set themselves up for it. Now that they have been ranting raving and raving for almost a year about evil rooshins how are they going to downplay giving them control of 20% of US uranium? With some pretty compelling evidence of pay for play/bribery nonetheless. This looks really bad to any American that isn't a total partisan zombie. Really bad.

We will now see if Mueller is smart or not. Maybe he is over the notion that Trump is a buffoon that can be trifled with; a misconception that has brought disaster upon the progressives and their backers.

Eric Newhill

blue peacock,
It would be icing on the cake if Mueller's tried and true organized crime methods were applied to get some justice for Seth Rich as well; as long as he's at it.

FB Ali

I find this whole US "election drama" of no real interest. Unfortunately, it seems to be dominating the pages of SST, in which I do have a lot of interest.

I think if people who comment on this topic were to try and, first, sort out in their own minds what was done or alleged to be done by "Russians" from all that can really be attributed to the Russian government, and, secondly, reflect that in their comments - we'd all be much better off!

Kutte

Exactly what I mean. Trump is not a buffoon, but he allows his opponents to think he is one and underestimate him. When his opponents, who are narcissistic to the point of self-destruction are cocky enough, he allows them to self-desctruct. Suddenly they realize they either can hang themselves or there accomplices.

turcopolier

FB Ali

there is a serious attempt underway to stage a soft coup against DJT. IMO it is underway in both parties. we cannot ignore that. pl

LondonBob

There is a theory that Mueller was hired to get Clinton in the first place. Does seem to fit the facts.

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/mueller-actually-working-trump/

Fred

Lars,

Mark Zuckerberg admitted Facebook took paid advertising from the Russians. That's what you mean, right? Meanwhile who paid Donna Brazile to rig that primary?

Harry

Im unaware of any compelling evidence. Do feel free to link.

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