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28 October 2017

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kooshy

PA thank you for this well explained awakening, exposing this dangerous and unnecessary malice on US Russia relations. I just hope, someday, someone can explain and expose this same unnecessary malice that exist on Iran US relation, which unfortunately like the "Russia an evil empire and our enemy for ever" is cleverly implanted deep within the american mentality.

rkka

In Russia, the traditional Sufi and Hanafi interpretations of Islam are turning back the Wahabi influence, which was growing as Saudi $$$ and preachers had been admitted back in the catastrophic '90s. The tide has turned there.

I got here through my study of World War II in the East, and the diplomatic history of the immediate prewar period.

I learned that Munich was about destroying the French-Czech-Soviet alliance of 1935 that had Adolf stymied, and not about 'Peace in our Time.'

I learned that in August 1939 the Polish government preferred facing the German attack alone, rejecting obviously needed military assistance from the only source geographically able to provide it.

I learned that the Polish Government in Exile thought that a division-sized Soviet mechanized force encircled by 4 Panzer Divisions and suffering a 90% casualty rate 15 km NE of Warsaw in early August 1944 was "...just standing by, passive and ostentatious..." and that Western governments at the time preferred to believe this lying accusation rather than Stalin's truthful report that the Germans had brought up 4 Panzer Divisions, even though British monitoring of German radio broadcasts reported German radio publicizing the German defeat of a Soviet mechanized force on the outskirts of Warsaw.

To this day this accusation is made in general English language accounts of the war in the East.

Then as a somewhat older young man I observed that the end of 'Soviet genocide' in several Soviet successor states was accompanied by catastrophic increases in death rates, and equally catastrophic collapses in birth rates as the populations suffered a degree of impoverishment unprecedented in any developed country in peacetime.

And as I entered middle age, I saw two of the most ruthless and rapacious Russian oligarchs who profited as Russians died being turned into human rights icons of Sakharov's stature, while the man who broke their power and under whose governance Russians began flourishing once again being subjected to a tidal wave of media vituperation from the Anglosphere.

Patrick Armstrong

David Foglesong The American Mission and the "Evil Empire" details a remarkably long American concern about Russia as a sort of delinquent brother. And this despite the very considerable help Russia gave the Union side in the Civil War. But it's still rather a mystery to me

But Iran's easy -- it's been put there with considerable and expensive effort by Jerusalem and Riyadh)helped of course by memories of the hostage event). I know of no more idiotic sentence than "Iran is the biggest state sponsor of terrorism and al quaeda/IS/Daesh is the biggest terrorist actor" and yet the State Dept repeats it every year. How anyone can utter that sentence, I don't know. But it's placed in their heads and nobody dares laugh out loud. And here we see the convergence of the Israeli and Saudi influence.

Patrick Armstrong

That's a big question. Briefly, I don't think the Deep State/Borg/Consensus is actually very efficient. My suspicion is that the collection program, for example, has just become a bureaucratic exercise in getting bigger and bigger. When, for example, was the last terrorist attempt in the US prevented? (And I don't include the numerous fake entrapment efforts).
But see William Binney for more on this. http://www.zdnet.com/article/nsa-whistleblower-overwhelmed-with-data-ineffective/

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I could not find an inverse for Hanlon's Razor, perhaps Armstrong's Razor should be coined.

Thanks for sharing your personal journey Patrick. Mine took the form of simply seeking out (often unpopular) viewpoints that sought to explain World events, rather than simply report them - or worse; parrot Establishment interpretations of the same (e.g. most TV news - to Richard Sale's point). This path took me to your own blog and ultimately to SST.

As for the audience of the awakening; what else can we pin our hopes for Humanity on? Bloggers such as yourself, our gracious host and SST's other contributors represent the new frontline in the eternal struggle which pits intellect and civilization against our more base instincts. So long as a critical mass of citizens retain the ability to recognize the truth when they finally discover it, there is hope. Valuable information has the fortunate quality of being very easy to spread and very hard to 'un-spread'.

But a disparate collection of enlightened bloggers a government does not make. The real problem we face is that in the largely post-ideological Western World, increasingly the people with the strongest convictions about how our affairs should be managed are those whom we should probably least trust in positions of power. Adam Curtis also makes the excellent point in HyperNormalisation that the political class is now desperately short of both ideas and power - and hence no longer in a position to actually materially change people's lives. Corporations and the market economy are the only power left - politics is relegated to window dressing.

Democracy itself no longer seems to represent the gold standard for good governance. Abysmal foreign policy and a trend towards Nationalism everywhere from India to the US itself have devalued the concept. Contrary to a Cold War article of faith, autocracies (Russia, China) now counter our malign/stupid foreign policy with rational/sane alternatives.

Perhaps Mankind has outgrown democracy, at least in it's latest incarnation. I have no wish to live is either of the Asian super states, where I would doubtless not have the freedom to write as I do now. Yet is is hard to avoid the conclusion that right now the West has lost it's way and the East appears both willing and capable of picking up the mantel of Global leadership.

FB Ali

Kooshy (@ 3.14 PM),

The nonsense about Iran causing Wahhabism, that the Saudi princeling MbS is spouting, is mainly for the Western audience; it will not cut any ice with other Sunnis.

Pacifica Advocate (@ 2:39 PM),

You are either mistaken or have an agenda. The Wahhabis have deeply infiltrated Muslim organizations in Indonesia and Malaysia, as recent mass demonstrations there have shown (they forced the former governor of Jakarta, a Christian, to be sent to prison for blasphemy; see http://tinyurl.com/mq7oay5).

I don't know much about diaspora Chinese and Taiwan, but I seriously doubt your version of their attitudes.

Babak Makkinejad

The English desired a war between Germany and USSR. I have come to the conclusion that they preferred NAZIs to Communists, Germans to Russians.
They were successful in getting their war, but as its consequece they lost their great power status and had to become a minor adjunct to USA; a phyrric victory.
And there is that loss of blood and treasure.

Babak Makkinejad

Its roots are in Old Testament Protestanism among Northern European peoples. They have paid a very heavy price for their unrequited love and they are not about to cut their losses.
The Puritans in USA have witnessed the demise of CSA, won WW2 and the Cold War and I should think they fully expect to prevail against Iran, Sia, and even Jihadi Muslims.

Babak Makkinejad

Western World is emphathically not post-ideological; its EU version is against religion and its dominant weltanschauung is one of Bouregeois Rationality-the stuff they teach in Business Schools.

steve g

Many thanks to Mr. Armstrong and others here
for a updated tutorial on not only current events
but the ramifications of the policies that drive them.
My new mantra when dealing with others of the
“leftist” bent when they exhibit either complete
denial or outright dismissal of “alternate facts”
is “None are so blind as those who refuse to see”

JohnsonR

Excellent, thank you. I've picked up a Kindle copy and am thinking about picking up a couple of paperbacks to pass on to acquaintances who are pretty conventional in their politics but who imo might be amenable to the message that the "Kremlin trolls" they constantly hear about are actually reasonable men. I'll read it through first, though, because "red-pilling" is always a ticklish operation and can easily backfire.

MRW

Excellent post, Patrick.
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All, here are two interesting posts to read that show part of the cloud all this is floating in, IMO. (May seem utterly OT to many. I see them as grouting that describes the patterns.)

In Shocking, Viral Interview, Qatar Confesses Secrets Behind Syrian War. By Tyler Durden, Oct 28, 2017
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-28/shocking-viral-interview-qatar-confesses-secrets-behind-syrian-war

The Long Night Ahead. By John Robb, Sept 27, 2017.
http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2017/09/the-long-night-ahead.html

Croesus

re #3, #4: In ~2002 Dennis Ross became the charter chairman of the Jewish People Policy Planning Institute (JPPPI). Among the first papers the Institute commissioned was Salomon Wald's study of the prospects for Jewish - Chinese relations, given the expectation that USA superpower status was on the decline and would be eclipsed -- Israel's Kennan Telegram.
http://jppi.org.il/uploads/China%20and%20the%20Jewish%20People.pdf

I haven't searched for a JPPPI paper re Jewish - Russian relations -- probably doesn't need a paper -- but a year or two ago the Institute initiated a study of Jewish - Indian relations.

Israel's strategy seems to be less "containing US decline toward a soft landing" and more, protection of their own interests.

rkka

"The English desired a war between Germany and USSR. I have come to the conclusion that they preferred NAZIs to Communists, Germans to Russians."

I concur with both points.

"They were successful in getting their war, but as its consequece they lost their great power status and had to become a minor adjunct to USA; a phyrric victory."

No they weren't. In Chamberlain's own words what he wanted was "...Germany and England as two pillars of European peace and buttresses against Communism..." He hoped to persuade Adolf to abandon his objectives in the West to pursue his objectives in the East. Unfortunately for Neville, Adolf insisted on both. Being involved in a ruinous war with Germany was not at all part of Neville's plan.

JohnsonR

"The trend of history is not reversed by bloggers"

Maybe not, but I believe it's quite likely one disastrous US war was prevented by the actions of bloggers - the intended US attack on Syria in 2013. I've been arguing online (below the line) against the US sphere's stupid recent wars since there was an internet to argue on (I'm not dogmatically pacifist, by the way - I supported the Falklands War, for instance, which I regard as the last incontrovertibly legitimate war fought by Britain or by the US). As a result I've been a Milosevic stooge, a Saddam apologist, a Gaddafi puppet, a Putin troll and an Assad dupe. Not bad for a Thatcher-voting, NATO-supporting (in the Cold War), previously lifelong Conservative supporter.

In none of those cases other than Syria was the issue ever close enough for internet opinion and alternative media to sway the executive power. But in the case of Syria in 2013, the disastrous bloody precedents of Iraq and Libya were hanging right there, still bleeding, before everyone's eyes, and as a result there was a more widespread sentiment against the war than in any of the previous cases. And the opinions and the arguments of the men standing against attacking Syria were ultimately unanswerable by its advocates. In the normal course of events that would have made no difference - the authorities would just have made sure as usual that the dissenting opinions were mostly kept out of the mainstream and that was usually enough to suppress political resistance, and make the politicians believe they could get away with ignoring it.

But in 2013, there was still sufficient freedom to express dissenting views that many people could find the opinions of the dissenters and the alternative information they supplied, and see the arguments of the interventionists being repeatedly destroyed in below the line debates (it's no coincidence that many below the line discussion forums run by newspapers such as the Spectator Blogs and Telegraph in the UK were closed or heavily suppressed shortly afterwards on "hate speech" grounds). The issue was close, and there were men in the UK House of Commons emboldened to oppose the resolution sought by Cameron to authorise an attack on Syria, whether motivated by honest disagreement or (more often, imo) fear that they would be held responsible for the consequences of a disastrous war.

The issue was close enough that it also required a calamitous display of managerial incompetence by Cameron and Miliband in the Commons, both of whom were supporters of this latest war of aggression. As I remember it (it's going back a bit now), Miliband wanted to posture a bit and had his party vote against the attack resolution, expecting the government to bring forward a slightly modified resolution he would then support, but Cameron panicked when Labour voted against the motion and it was defeated, and he went into damage limitation and finger-pointing mode. In what was, in my lifetime, among the most glorious victories for common sense ever in the UK Parliament, a government motion to wage a war of aggression was actually defeated!

The issue then moved on to the US, where Obama had seemingly already decided to attack Syria (and supposedly had told the likes of John McCain and Lindsey Graham this beforehand), but he feared the consequences of going ahead without public backing in case of costly failure, and he decided to seek Congressional support as political cover. As in the UK, I believe one of the reasons the usually reliably cowardly and incompetent men and women in Congress failed to nod through an approval was because of the efforts of bloggers in helping to crystallise and motivate public opinion.

Obama bottled it, two years later the Russians stepped in openly, and the rest is history.

We dodged a bullet in 2013, imo, and bloggers helped to achieve that. Certainly the liars in the mainstream media were not much help - they were mostly as bought and paid for by the other side as they were over Iraq in 2003.

Walker

India and Bangladesh also follow a more moderate brand of Islam, do they not? It's worth noting that Indonesia, India and Bangladesh are the first, third, and fourth countries ranked by Muslim population. (Pakistan is #2).

Patrick Armstrong

Yes, a lot of things are happening, aren't they?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-26/trumps-storm-lashing-halls-corruption

Walker

Do you know the story of Wilmer McLean? His house was used as Confederate General Beauregard's headquarters during the first battle of the American Civil War, Bull Run. After having cannonballs land in his fireplace he vowed to get as far away from the war as possible. He moved to rural Appomattox, Virginia. Four years later the war ended in his parlor when General Lee surrendered to General Grant there.

blue peacock

Patrick,

What do you mean by "the US is going down"? Can you please elaborate?

αρtɛt

excellent , important, piece, thank you

JohnB

An excellent post and reflects my own journey too, many thanks.

JohnB

The Zerohedge article is a real shocker and not being reported at all in the UK. Surprise, surprise.

The Porkchop Express

Patrick,

I have long intended to read Emmanuel Todd's "After the Empire." Finally got around to starting it yesterday. I literally put it down not fifteen minutes ago after finishing a chapter that spoke briefly to US/Russia relations and then read your post.

Todd makes a number of specious claims and he is mainly postulating, though he makes it clear that he is not anti-American but rather politically opposed to US imperial pretensions, but his general thesis seems rather sound. Namely that, because of globalization, the US is far more dependent on the rest of the world than we care to admit. This dependence may result in a number of paths forward for the US and is the result of multiple things: history, demographic factors, increased global literacy, and international economics. Because of a lesser need to rely wholly on the US as global protector the imbalance in the understanding of American "indispensableness" has resulted in the US requiring a certain level of global instability and the use of what he calls "theatrical micromilitarism" to continue to maintain any imperial designs it may harbor. Which I think would dovetail with your thesis of malevolent behavior.

While I haven't finished the book yet, and he has promised a more detailed chapter on Russia, it seems he is postulating it is more the responsibility of the rest of the world to assist/convince the United States in understanding/seeing that is time for the US to pull back the reigns on its imperial designs so that the loss of power/prestige/etc... doesn't result in the US lashing out violently or unreasonably.

So when I read "the audience of the awakening" I was curious if you meant this more specifically toward an American audience or a more global one? Both?

At any rate, appreciate the post.

MRW

Yes, indeedy.

Babak Makkinejad

Another fantasist.

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