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30 September 2017

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Valissa

Very informative, thanks Willy! I have been taking a break from reading the news as much as possible the last few months. Got tired of having to continually research everything. It takes work to figure out reality versus propaganda/political hysteria. On top of that is the necessity to work to consciously and actively tune out the inchoate collective anger-mongering that seems to have become omnipresent (shields up!).

So I especially appreciate this concise overview of the Puerto Rico situation.

b

Thanks Willy.

We are now on day 10 after the original incident. I believe the questions have to start earlier.

1. The U.S. has a professional civil defense organization called FEMA that is supposed to prepare for disasters and to respond when one happened. The Hurricane was predicted, with high probability, to hit Puerto Rico directly four days before the impact.

How come that the preparations failed. No storm protected local diesel & food depot in every township? No equipment ready to clean up and distribute? No crews organized?

How come there was no staging of the necessary stuff on the continental U.S.? No pre-alarm for military assets? Where was/is the Fema management in this?

2. The introduction of military transport assets took much too long. The storm hit 10 days ago. When was the first military helo flying over Puerto Rico? Five days later? Six?

3. Why does the president have to get involved in this? The press likes to beat up Trump, but this is, for the size of the U.S., a minor, localized incident. Why can't local or regional resources or this or that federal department handle it alone? That is a point where the media should do some real digging.

Now some will say "this can't be done any better". But it can.

On September 8/9 Cuba was hit by a Cat 5 storm. It was the biggest and hardest impact since 1932. A lot of houses and other stuff was destroyed. 1.7 million people had to be evacuated.

A week later Medicc reported:
http://medicc.org/ns/irmarecoveryupdates/
/quote/
87% of the population affected now has both electricity and water. No outbreaks of infectious diseases are reported, and cleanup is prioritized in both the capital and hardest-hit central provinces. Food processing centers are operating in all these provinces, and cooked food is being distributed in shelters (where 26,000 remain of the 1.7 evacuees) and in areas without electricity.

Teaching activities have resumed throughout the country as of September 18 ...
/endquote/

So - the f***ing socialists can do it but the mighty U.S. fails?

r whitman

I need to say up front that I am not pro-Trump but in the case of Puerto Rico he is doing a good job. There has been a great lack of preplanning on the part of the local authorities for a natural disaster. I live in Houston and the city and county authorities were well prepared to handle our disaster. Emergency services were evacuating people during the storm and depositing them in local shelters where they were me with food, water and dry clothing before they were even registered. Most of this was local with little input from FEMA except for money. Government people and volunteers knew what to do and how to do it, they rehearsed it a number of times over the last few years after the disasters of previous years with Rita and Ike.

Chances are that the same situation existed in Florida. As far as I know , Puerto Rico did none of this preplanning and rehearsing on a local level, or if they did it was done poorly.

MRW

Got tired of having to continually research everything.

No kidding. It’s exhausting. A second job without income.

VietnamVet

WB Thanks

It is astonishing how Florida and Houston disappeared from the news replaced by Caribbean hysteria to spike the ratings and the ongoing White House coup. Preparation, rescue and reconstruction takes money; Puerto Rico doesn’t have any. The velocity of the flow of money through the economy is declining. God forbid that any of the money hoarded by the wealthy is used to save American lives.

MRW

b,

They haven’t been able to use the PR airport until recently. The Virgin Islands got theirs fixed up earlier.

Cuba has had well-rehearsed and carefully planned national reactions to hurricanes and other natural disasters in place for decades. Extraordinarily well-planned.

MRW

B,

BTW, it’s the military in control of this operation, not FEMA.

Jack

b,

Puerto Rico is the equivalent of a state. They have the primary responsibility for making sure preparations are adequate not the federal government.

The problem in Puerto Rico is "socialism". The government and public agencies borrowed and spent and delivered nothing for their citizens including good infrastructure. Their electrical grid is no better than a third world country. They're financially bankrupt! No chance of ever repaying their municipal debt.

US taxpayers will be footing the bill for their recovery How much of those recovery funds will be siphoned off by their politically well connected elites??

turcopolier

MRW

It was only after demonstration of the fact that FEMA and the Commonwealth government are incapable of managing something this size was the military tasked to run the disaster recovery. pl

turcopolier

b

The time for maintaining overseas colonial possessions ended long ago. We need to re-think the association of the island with the US once we get through shelling out 50 billion dollars or whatever it will be. We have to remember that the island government is essentially bankrupt through their own actions and graft. The US no longer has significant military or naval bases on the island. I have been there a number of times and in spite of their possession of full US citizenship the place is not much like the US. The UN makes noises about US colonialism in PR. Fine, let there be another referendum once things settle down. At present the commonwealth calls itself the "Estado Libre Associado de Puerto Rico." They have their own Olympic team and mayor Cruz's party wants an independent foreign policy and freedom from subordination to the US federal courts. Fine! Viva Puerto Rico Libre! BTW, unless things have changed, persons resident on the island and deriving their income from the island pay no US personal income tax. pl

steve

The severity of the storm and its effects were underestimated. There was inadequate preparation by both Puerto Rico and FEMA. Once we figured out how bad this was, the response has been pretty strong, but it will take a while to catch up.

Long term, I don't really see an advantage in having Puerto Rico as part of the US. If they have another referendum and vote to become a state can we say no?

Steve

Babak Makkinejad

I think that the United States is not prepared for large scale natural disasters, just look at Katrina. As the Earth warms, the incidents of such disasters will increase as well.

Walrus

Its easier to respond quickly to a crisis in a one party dictatorship where people can be ordered about more easily.

MRW

Jack,

"The government and public agencies borrowed and spent and delivered nothing for their citizens including good infrastructure” is not the definition of socialism.

paul

@VietnamVet

1) there is a huge difference between a disaster effecting states on the mainland and the same one effecting a tiny island.

2)puerto ricans are americans

MRW

Of course. How could it be otherwise, Colonel. FEMA has had years, if not decades, to learn military logistics, the best our country has to offer. What’s it been doing during that time? Fuck if I know.

ISL

Willy B,

Having not spent much time on following the issue except snippets, I graded Trump an F. So I started writing a response, asking the question: What does this say about US preparedness for say a container nuke in Port of Los Angeles? And I realized that it would not be the same because aid could and would drive in from all the neighboring states.

But aid can't drive to Puerto Rico. Which Trump tweeted, but it sounded rather idiotic in 140 characters. But he was right. Its just that in 140 characters you can't actually communicate.

I think Trump is shooting himself in the foot with his tweeting rather than having a decent length speech followed by some press Q&A.

I turned off on him when he said he was worried about shippers, and that aid couldn't be considered before Puerto Rico paid back wall street (i.e., his cabinet). However, that is not the immediate disaster response.

Thanks for your summary!

The Twisted Genius

Amateur radio operators stepped in to help. A group of 50 volunteers teamed up with the Red Cross to provide emergency HF commo for rescue and relief workers. A second group will soon establish "health and welfare" networks back to CONUS. My older son would have volunteered for this if he didn't just start a new job.

MRW

Babak, how can natural disasters increase if the earth warms? C’mon, think about it. If the temperature were the same throughout the planet, there wouldn’t be storms. Period. (Of course not something that political activist self-proclaimed ‘climate scientists’ have bothered to study.) Storms are caused by differences in the temperature gradient, NOT by temperatures that are even and consistent. Pick up any university meteorology textbook for a definition of what causes storms, cyclones, and hurricanes. I’m not making this shit up.

Katrina could have been avoided had the U.S. Army Corps of Engineering done its job fixing the levees, which New Orleans pooh-poohed worrying about for 10 years before Katrina struck when they were warned. Repeatedly. Check the records. I did..

It’s like Mayor Bloomberg. He was WARNED by whatever emergency group he had reporting to the City in 2010 to take measures to fix “The Bight.” Yes, that’s bight, not blight. (Look up on Google. It’s a natural shoreline configuration that can cause massive tidal surges.) I have the safety report somewhere on this computer. Bloomberg completely ignored it. Probably had to go out for lunch uptown.

So when Sandy hit, Bloomberg, the mayor scumbag that he was, pulled at his pearls and made some mewling comment about “Global Warming” causing all this—not him—and President Sparky and his media minions bought Bloomberg’s coverup of neglect, and millions to this day believe that lying fucker.

Nobody does their goddam homework.

I’d rather have a bunch of high school grunts trained in logistics at Camp LeJeune any day of the week than the lazy-ass thinkers who pound out their substandard pieces for the NY Times, Washington Post, and HuffPo who think they’re impressing me with their incredible stupidity.

Don’t fall for this shit, Babak.

MRW

Babak, how can natural disasters increase if the earth warms? C’mon, think about it. If the temperature were the same throughout the planet, there wouldn’t be storms. Period. (Of course not something that political activist self-proclaimed ‘climate scientists’ have bothered to study.) Storms are caused by differences in the temperature gradient, NOT by temperatures that are even and consistent. Pick up any university meteorology textbook for a definition of what causes storms, cyclones, and hurricanes. I’m not making this shit up.

Katrina could have been avoided had the U.S. Army Corps of Engineering done its job fixing the levees, which New Orleans pooh-poohed worrying about for 10 years before Katrina struck when they were warned. Repeatedly. Check the records. I did..

It’s like Mayor Bloomberg. He was WARNED by whatever emergency group he had reporting to the City in 2010 to take measures to fix “The Bight.” Yes, that’s bight, not blight. (Look up on Google. It’s a natural shoreline configuration that can cause massive tidal surges.) I have the safety report somewhere on this computer. Bloomberg completely ignored it. Probably had to go out for lunch uptown.

So when Sandy hit, Bloomberg, the mayor scumbag that he was, pulled at his pearls and made some mewling comment about “Global Warming” causing all this—not him—and President Sparky and his media minions bought Bloomberg’s coverup of neglect, and millions to this day believe that lying fucker.

Nobody does their goddam homework.

I’d rather have a bunch of high school grunts trained in logistics at Camp LeJeune any day of the week than the lazy-ass thinkers who pound out their substandard pieces for the NY Times, Washington Post, and HuffPo who think they’re impressing me with their incredible stupidity.

Don’t fall for this shit, Babak.

Cortes

Your final point makes the case exactly, Colonel.

Too much scope for shucking off the blame for bad behaviour onto others. The few PR contacts I have are unhappy with the local government.

MRW

In the meantime, let’s deal with reality. They’re Americans.

Lars

I think that the US Armed Forces are the only entity that can deal with a situation like this and they were not mobilized when they should have been. Regarding Donal Trump, he did not engage a whole lot until the criticism arrived. He is after all the head of the federal government, and as GWB found out, this is a test of leadership. What I have seen so far, that is inadequate.

The recovery in Puerto Rico will take a long time, will require a lot of resources and solid planning. I recently made it through Hurricane Irma and in 2004, I was involved in repairing damage from 3 hurricanes. What I see in PR does not even come close to that.

I am sure federal assets are catching up, but they are still way behind the curve and that is due to failed leadership at the top of the federal government. In 2004, I spent 3 years repairing storm damage and as I said, it was not nearly as extensive as the situation in Puerto Rico.

I expect another million people from there to come here to Florida, where many have relatives. The GOP is not going to like that, because they know who failed them when it mattered and when they arrive here, they can vote.

Laura

This situation reminds me of a lecture by Dr. Barry Ryan on the Vietnam War....after carefully reviewing all of the fear of Communism of the time right after WWII, the development by the USSR of the hydrogen bomb, the fact that China had indeed "gone Red" and had indeed joined the Korean War on North Korea's side....he projected 2 maps: one of the area around Korea and one of the area around Vietnam.

Then he asked: see the difference? (The Korean PENNINSULA could actually be cut into a North and South. A DMZ was a possible construct. Vietnam? No way and, according to his analysis, therein was the
problem for the US...and it was insolvable because there was no way to actually keep the North out of the South on the ground.)

Okay...that brings me to Puerto Rico which is an ISLAND. OF COURSE, the PR truckers, etc. are unavailable as they are with their families or looking for their families. BIG DIFFERENCE between Houston and Florida ----- TRUCKERS/WORKERS/ASSISTANCE CAN DRIVE IN!!!

This part of the problem really could have been foreseen --- not such a mystery and comparing the two situations really clarifies the difficulties on a whole host of levels....which SHOULD HAVE BEEN FORSEEN.

Not necessarily by Trump...but someone should have said "Hey guys" we need a different logistical response...soon. No system is perfect...and now this can be baked into future responses for islands.

Bobo

Maria went into the SE coast at a Cat 4 and came out on the NW coast as a Cat 2 and dumped +20" of rain on an island that had not seen anything close to that severity since Hurricane Hugo 20+ years ago. So most new roofs suffered due poor construction and building codes. A good number on roads and culverts had severe damage. Every Puerto Rican has their own individual horror story of this storm but the real horror is their government response.
FEMA had pre-positioned supplies and the first five vessels that discharged containers in the port had a number of FEMA containers onboard. FEMA had pre-arranged response plans which have been put into effect and working properly. The USCG had helicopters up right after the storm supplemented by US Navy and British Navy. A lot has been going on that is organized and normal after an event such as this but what is not normal is the local government response which is why the military has/will take over the recovery.
It took four months for electricity to get back to normal after Hugo and will take a lot longer for it to get back this time as a complete new transmission line network needs to be implemented. Due lack of electricity only 50% of gas stations could open, banks, grocery stores, pharmacies and other merchants also were quite limited. Those that did open had the foresight to have generators on hand to operate. Today Walmart and other large chains are opening up stores and taking credit/debit cards so life is getting back to some stability but had a ways to go. The island is a cash only society till all gets back to normal and if you have to make payroll you better fly the cash in.
Now in San Juan land lines, cell lines, water distribution all functioned prior, during and after the storm and overall the city fared pretty well as its the interior of the island where the serious problems are but people have been successful driving from Ponce and Mayaquez to San Juan with an extra hour or two for detours. Trash and refuse need to be picked up and I guess the Army will arrange that as the local politicians are doing nothing but crying to Crybaby News Network.
The real hindrance is lack of electricity which is due to the Thieves who have been in political office for that past twenty years on the island.

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