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05 September 2017


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Where was it reported that Rich was a Sanders supporter?

Publius Tacitus

This is one of the reports, http://heavy.com/news/2016/08/seth-rich-julian-assange-source-wikileaks-wiki-dnc-emails-death-murder-reward-video-interview-hillary-clinton-shawn-lucas/.


Mr. Dmitri Alperovitch, of Jewish descent (and an emigre from Russia), has been an "expert" at the Atlantic Council, the same organization that cherishes and provides for Mr. Eliot Higgins. These two gentlemen - and the directorate of Atlantic Council - are exhibit one of opportunism and intellectual dishonesty (though it is hard to think about Mr. Higgins in terms of "intellect").
Here is an article by Alperovitch: http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/russian-cyber-attacks-in-the-united-states-will-intensify
Take note how Alperovitch coded the names of the supposed hackers: "Russian intelligence services hacked the Democratic National Committee’s computer network and accessed opposition research on Donald Trump, according to the Atlantic Council’s Dmitri Alperovitch. Two Russian groups—codenamed FancyBear and CozyBear—have been identified as spearheading the DNC breach." Alperovitch is not just an incompetent "expert" in cybersecurity - he is a willing liar and war-mongering, for money. The DNC hacking story has never been about national security; Alperovitch (and his handlers) have no loyalty to the US.


PT, I make a short exception. Actually decided to stop babbling for a while. But: Just finished something successfully.

And since I usually need distraction by something far more interesting then matters at hand. I was close to your line of thought yesters.

But really: Shouldn't the timeline start in 2015, since that's supposedly the time someone got into the DNC's system?

One could of course start earlier. What is the exact timeline of the larger cyberwar post 9/11, or at least the bits and pieces that surfaced for the nitwits among us, like: Stuxnet?

But nevermind. Don't forget developments and recent events around Eugene or Jewgeni Walentinowitsch Kasperski?


Wikileaks, the protector of the accountability of the top, has announced a reward for finding the murderers of Seth Rich. In comparison, the DNC has not offered any reward to help the investigation of the murder of the DNC staffer, but the DNC found a well-connected lawyer to protect Imran Awan who is guilty (along with Debbie Wasserman-Schultz) in the greatest breach of national cybersecurity: http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/29/wasserman-schultz-seemingly-planned-to-pay-suspect-even-while-he-lived-in-pakistan/


The Russia thing certainly seems to have gone quiet.

Bannon's chum says the issue with pursuing the Clinton email thing is that you would end up having to indict almost all of the last administration, including Obama, unseemly certainly. Still there might be a fall guy, maybe Comey, and obviously it serves Trump's purposes to keep this a live issue through the good work of Grassley and the occasional tweet. Would be amusing if Trump pardoned Obama. Still think Brennan should pay a price though, can't really be allowed to get away with it

The Twisted Genius


I'll be damned. I am in full agreement with you on the value of Scott Ritter's article. It is very good and clearly lays out valid reasons for the backlash against Alperovitch and his analysis of the DNC hack. He is a businessman and is focused on selling his business model of focusing on the adversary rather than the malware. The article also explains the CrowdStrike methodology and why it took weeks to examine the DNC network without spooking the adversary. That's an intel approach rather than a network security approach.

Publius Tacitus also makes a good point that Binney is damned near certain that NSA would have access to network evidence of the hack. Since the FBI warned the DNC several times that their network was compromised and actually told them data was being transferred out of the DNC network, Binney's statement is most likely the truth. So between knowledge of that network activity and the cloned drives, the FBI has more evidence of what was done to the DNC network than CrowdStrike, even without direct access to the DNC network. The problem is that we will never see this evidence. Nor will we see that level of evidence of any of the other major hacks of US systems including the OPM hack. Are we then to conclude that that hack never took place? That hack investigation has only now, two years later, yielded one arrest. I'm with Binney on this one. The IC has a lot more intel on this whole Russia thing than the forensic data analysis.


Having grown up in the UK with overwhelming admiration for the openness of the culture of the USA, recent developments diismay .

B. 10/57


Seth Rich's family have pleaded, and continue to plead, that the conspiracy theorists leave the death of their son alone and have said that those who continue to flog this nonsense around the internet are only serving to increase their pain. I suggest respectfully that some here may wish to consider their feelings. (Also, this stuff is nuts, you know.)


"We also know that many people are angry at our government and want to see justice done in some way, somehow. We are asking you to please consider our feelings and words. There are people who are using our beloved Seth’s memory and legacy for their own political goals, and they are using your outrage to perpetuate our nightmare."


"Wheeler, a former Metropolitan Police Department officer, was a key figure in a series of debunked stories claiming that Rich had been in contact with Wikileaks before his death. Fox News, which reported the story online and on television, retracted it in June."


You all being way above my pay grade, this will most likely be a one-time comment. I've a question, festering for weeks, that no one's been able to answer. Perhaps you all might help.

There were two "hacks" into the DNC servers. John Podesta's email was also "hacked." In an interview on 8 Feb 2017, John Podesta states "I think we knew...that there were two different incursions into the DNC but the GRU, the Fancy Bear side of this, was active in going after personal emails." https://techcrunch.com/2017/02/08/john-podesta-talks-email-hack-fake-news-and-russia/

The Russia connection had already been setup and was well-underway. The Wikileaks emails of John Podesta contains an email from Podesta that sets up the Trump Russia connection 21 Dec 2015 - Podesta email from [email protected], Subject Re: HRC, Obama amd ISIS. In this email, Podesta writes "Best approach is to slaughter Donald for the bromance with Putin, but not go too far betting on Putin re Syria."

Moving back to the DNC "hack," Seymour Hesch has drawn a line to Seth Rich. "Mr. Hersh told Butowsky that Seth Rich “offered a sample [to WikiLeaks][,] an extensive sample, you know I’m sure dozens, of emails, and said I want money.”"
Audio of Hersch's statements re: Seth Rich http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giuZdBAXVh0

However, "Hersh concurs with the D.C. police who say the murder was a botched robbery." https://consortiumnews.com/2017/08/08/a-new-twist-in-seth-rich-murder-case/

The Awans, Imran Awan and family, have been reported on extensively, and were in the business of collecting large amounts of money and sending the money to Pakistan. To me, the simple explanation is that the second "hackers" were the Awans, singularly or plurally, and the Awans were the ones who asked Wikileaks for money. Both "hacks" were done locally. The Awans had full access to Debbie Wasserman Schultz's email and many House Democrats, including members of the House Intel Committee, and would have had no trouble accessing the DNC servers by having been "contracted" to do work on the DNC servers and/or by using Wasserman Schultz's logon id or one of the other House Democrats logon ids. From Diana West "According to the New York Times picture above, dated December 13, 2016, a reportedly Russian-"breached" DNC server was just sitting in the DNC national headquarters in Washington, DC" http://dianawest.net/Home/tabid/36/EntryId/3596/Where-Is-the-DNC-Server.aspx
(Now at the Daily Caller http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/25/wheres-the-dnc-server/)

Since both "hacks" were done locally, the NSA would not have any record(s) of either "hack." As for the identity of Guccifer 2.0, that could be anyone. Everyone "hacks" everyone.
Does this fit in with the current thinking? Thank you.



Hersh has personally told me that all that is BS. pl



Ask him. pl


This has been a great read. I've followed the "Russia hacked the election" meme for a long time now and never believed that the Russians did it. Without any idea of how one would hack a server, I try never to comment about the details of hacking.

But, having really enjoyed the disclosure of all the content of the emails, especially Podesta's, I truly wanted to thank the criminal (since I know it was a criminal act) because those emails confirmed for me all my feelings about the character of the people at the DNC at the time, and especially the character of HRC and her friends.

It made me sad and shamed that at one time, I had been fooled by her.

So. now I am the "conspiracy theorist" among many of my friends and family because I insist that perhaps Assad was not the one who set off some of the gas attacks and because I insist that the Russians did not hack the election.

On another note, it makes me angry that to many people, the deaths of four men were the result of a You tube video. so I still display my "Four men died, and Hillary lied" sticker on my car's back window.

It's a different scandal, I know. But, we are really living in a time when so many believe lies so easily, simply because it satisfies their set way of thinking and they don't want to be shaken into reality.

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