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09 August 2017

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David E. Solomon

Publius Tacitus,

Is anything different than it ever has been?

The three events that turned me against the media and the US propaganda machine in my early youth were, "duck and tuck", the coverage of Gary Powers and the U-2 spy plane, and our sudden turning against Fidel Castro after we no longer desired to encourage him against our hated mafia supported Batista.

Regards,

David

Daniel Nicolas
the media is being routinely used as medium for shaping and manipulating public opinion. The quantity of disinformation and propaganda flooding the internet, cable news and newspapers is akin to an avalanche in the Swiss Alps during the heaviest of winter snows.

Consider the following demonstrably false statements that are widely accepted by the media and public as true

I want to propose that the borg/democrats/leftists/etc. strategy for using the media for shaping and manipulating media is backfiring as they continue to double down on trying to sell their narratives to the public.

Even the 'media' knows they're lying and it's all just propaganda (see CNN producers saying that their spearhead story about Russia is just BS). The more they're exposed, the more the public doesn't believe their narrative anymore.

I think it is more widely accepted that public doesn't trust the media.

Bill H

I could not agree with you more. I do not believe that "North Korea has a nuclear weapon that will fit on an ICBM," for instance. That conviction is not based on any knowledge whatever, but is based entirely on the fact that the statement comes from the US media.

zk

North Korean situation is a 20th century problem, that needs to be solved not with "fire and fury" but with 21th century methods.
All interested parties (most of the planet really) need to help them make the similar transition that China is making.
A transition towards some form of market economy and international integration and cooperation.
It might take a decade or two but it is a much better solution than nuking everything in sight and/or arming the SK and Japan with nukes.

turcopolier

ZK

What if the NoKos attack the US or the ROK before you persuade them to become modern. pl

BillWade

Agree 100% with your last paragraph. However, I seriously doubt President Trump is acting like a crazed drug induced lunatic, I think he means what he says.

Maybe people think we need several months and a "coalition of the willing" before we take out North Korea. We don't, 24-72 hours should do the trick.

turcopolier

james

You are right. American leaders are crazy. we should long ago have stopped protecting Canada and particularly BC from what you evidently see as non-existent dangers. OTOH the last time a "crazy" US president directly threatened a country was Eisenhower who threatened North Korea in 1953. IMO Assad is not crazy. Kim Jung Un IS mad in that he has directly threatened the US with an announced attack to be made on the US sovereign territory of Guam. IMO that in itself justifies a US pre-emptive attack on NoKo. pl

Fredw

My only serious disagreement is with the underlying assumption that this is abnormal and reprehensible. My perception is that this is how the media have always acted. The intensity is high for this campaign against Trump, but it is high also in his campaigns against various puported villains. That is how things are done. And, amazingly, that turns out to be a fairly effective way of doing things over the long term. (Applying Churchill's standard of comparing to all the other ways that have been tried.) Democracy depends on this sort of mobilization.

When the objects of such a campaign do not clash too badly with our existing notions, we barely notice the mechanisms by which opinion is manipulated. When the purposes conflict with ours, then we experience outrage over the falseness and unfairness of the media. But they are not doing anything much different than they did when we agreed with them.

These articles perform a service for me by piercing some of the pretensions, helping me to understand what is really going on. But mostly they help me ask some of the right questions.

The Beaver

Now, one wonders why Nikki Haley is losing two key aides at the same time - just before her trip to Vienna.

Chief of staff and communications director both resigned
Haley said on Twitter the men were leaving for family reasons

zk

With all the money poured into US military and intelligence services, one would expect the US should be able to learn about and preempt any nukes being launched at it from NK (or delivered by any other means).
As for the ROK and Japan, if the US attacks, the NK retaliation is guaranteed.

It should be made perfectly clear to NK leadership, that if they attack anyone, they will perish.
If they launch missiles towards Guam, they should be shot down.

But they also should be offered a way to gradually transform their society. With the help of China, US, SK, Japan, Russia and others.
They offer must be genuine, and feasible, not of the type Kim Must Go, Assad must Go and other such nonsense.
This could give peace a chance, while also giving countries in the region time to beef up defenses and prepare for the worst, just in case.

Confusedponderer

ZK,
given the oopsies that the US have met in iraq, or during the 'liberation' of libya or syria, I'd argue that "fury and fire" are considered a suitable approach by some US policos.

As Iirc Albright said: "What's the point oft having our awesome military if we don't use it?"

Greco

Is it too cynical to ask that perhaps they wanted out before the proverbial SHTF on something that might prove to be a botch on their resume?

FourthAndLong

@ I do not believe that "North Korea has a nuclear weapon that will fit on an ICBM," for instance.

That was formulated to cool things off IMO. Not at all as a stampede to war.

JerseyJeffersonian

Beaver,

I rather suspect that they were bailing out from the Crazy Train called Nikki Haley.

If anybody should have resigned, or been shown the wisdom of resigning, it was her nibs. Although, if you think about it, having a waspish, ill-tempered virago filling the post of UN Ambassador seems to have become a tradition for the U.S.. But Ms Haley has amped it up with her coupling of willful ignorance with the now quotidian accusatory bombast. What a cocktail! Bottoms up, world. Prost.

sid_finster

The more isolated that crazy witch is, the better.

optimax

I think I'm more skeptical than you, Tacitus. I wonder if the NoKo statements of planned aggression against Guam and US are fake news? I don't always trust the interpretations of foreign leaders. Is the NoKo military planning strikes strikes the way way our military plans for war with every other country in the world just because we like to be prepared? Or are these real threats like bin Laden's, which he carried out.

I've looked at South Korea newspapers and found nothing to substantiate the msm claims. In fact, they are much calmer than us. Here is a link to an English translation of a NoKo newspaper and if anyone has java script, which I don't, you can read it.

http://www.rodong.rep.kp/en/

Bill Herschel

As a gedanken experiment, let's ask ourselves where Russian nuclear missiles are targeted? Is it possible that any of them are targeted on U.S. cities and other U.S. targets.

If so, does that constitute a threat? And, if it does, should we pre-emptively attack Russia?

If it doesn't constitute a threat, what does it constitute?

Your argument is based on the notion that Kim Jong-un is crazy enough to first strike the U.S. and that Putin isn't. In that case, why isn't Kim threatening China, a much easier target, particularly after they voted against him in the Security Council. Is it because he thinks he'll lose if he attacks China? And that he'll win if he attacks the U.S.?

This is so very, very like the lead-up to the GW Bush Iraq war. And the Russians and Chinese are high-fiving all the way.

b

What makes you think that North Koreans would WANT "international integration and cooperation"?

What exactly would that mean for them? More rapacious banking? Less income for the masses but much more income for the 1%?

b

There was NO threat to the U.S. with an attack announcement for Guam.

This was an extra low level statement about *potential* escalation through TESTING a certain missile so that it would land some 50 km away from Guam.

The "threat" came from an artillery command which said it was drafting plans for such a test, that it would put forward the draft in future and that at some some point the leadership would decide.

This was all very unusually conditioned and low level. Normally we get blasts of test announcements from the highest level.

It was also simply a response to "fire and fury". The U.S. president is threatening to nuke North Korea. Did you expect no response to that?

With this low level statement the DPRK stepped over Trump's rhetorical red-line just to make the point.

b

You are now guilty of "nuclear Orientalism".

That depicts the assertion that the other country (or its leader) is crazy while one's own country (leader) always behaves totally rational.

Thus nukes other have are dangerous and a threat while ones own nukes never are.

I am WAY more concerned about Trump's craziness that about Kim Jong Un's.

DMC

What's it been, more than 30 years since Chomsky's "Manufacturing Consent"? And now, the consent is more manufactured than ever.

MRW

That link is extremely worthwhile, optimax. If you search for Trump, barely a peep. In fact, their reports seem to be fairly measured.

turcopolier

FB Ali

It WOULD NOT be the same. We have fired nothing into NoKo. To say that NoKo demonstrating its ability to strike Guam is the same is an unrealistic comparison. pl

turcopolier

b

"so that it would land some 50 km away from Guam." If they do that there will be war. pl

Kooshy

NK is China's buffer zone to Yellow Sea, like Ukraine is for Russia's Black Sea. I believe at the end of the day dear leader Trump will have to cool it down a few natchre. I don't see a patriotic war mood against NK boiling hot. Not yet, as PT says depends on how the media IO mind forming campaign sucsseds.

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